Is this forum a big echo chamber?

[NO_SQDeriku777]

I posted a bug report.  I see MANY bug report threads without a single acknowledgment from the Devs that they read these posts.  It would be nice to know we are not just spitting into the wind here.

[OrLoK]

no. 

 

devs do listen.

 

but they're a tiny team and don't often have the time to respond to individuals, especially in English (as many afaik are not native English speakers )

 

If it's a legacy bug then devs are probably already aware and it's either on their list or not practical to address at this time.

 

Keep reporting in the approved places in the correct way

 

it does get through.

 

patience is key.

[=IL2AU=ToknMurican]

I'm with you Deriku. I think it's one big echo chamber.    Kuban adds new bugs... such as multiplayer list sorting amongst other things.   Bugs from 2014 still exist and never see the light of day.   Also a new bug where I have to select my aircraft twice in MP in order to use any mods. 

 

 

 

Personally - Dev team - take some time and fix shoddy bugs before starting work on Bodenplatte please... I don't see the point in continuing to buy new content when the old content is plagued with stuff that becomes irritating when trying to enjoy the game.   

 

Don't get me wrong..  I appreciate the effort to improve the single player experience and all.. but don't stop there.  Keep going. 

Edited April 3, 2018 by =TBAS=headwarp

[THERION]

56 minutes ago, =TBAS=headwarp said:

Personally - Dev team - take some time and fix shoddy bugs before starting work on Bodenplatte please... I don't see the point in continuing to buy new content when the old content is plagued with stuff that becomes irritating when trying to enjoy the game.

 

Exactly what I think at the moment - I'm quite frustrated seeing all these complaints but nearly no single reaction from the dev team / producer.

The only ones that sometimes try to calm the waves are the testers - and who knows why... anyway, I love this sim and respect the work of every

single one of the team.

 

And let us not forget all those passionate souls who help finding solutions to issues, doing some great mods and new skins to enhance this great

series - and they do this for free with their own resources.

 

Although I pre-ordered the Bodenplatte to support this heroic dev team, I really recommend them to sort out those issues rather quickly or at least

communicate their next steps, because there is a lot of frustration here in this echo chamber.

 

Cheers

[NETSCAPE]

I've reported two major issues before. They have both been fixed. This didn't involve ONE post on my report thread from any other user or dev team member. 

[THERION]

10 minutes ago, NETSCAPE said:

I've reported two major issues before. They have both been fixed. This didn't involve ONE post on my report thread from any other user or dev team member. 

 

Well, you're a tester, Netscape. Did you report during beta testing? If so - thanks god they did fix it because that's what beta testing is for... or at least I thought

it was supposed to. I don't want to bash anyone or get personal, but I don't know, I'm puzzled about this whole attitude. Sorry.

Edited April 2, 2018 by EAF_T_Therion

[NETSCAPE]

Just now, EAF_T_Therion said:

 

Well, you're a tester, Netscape. Did you report during beta testing? If so - thanks god they did fix it because that's what beta testing is for... or at least I thought

it was supposed to. I don't want to bash anyone or get personal, but I don't know, I'm puzzled with this whole attitude. Sorry.

 

I was only recently made a tester, the reports I did on the tech/bug sub forum were made BEFORE I was a tester and this was all pre-Kuban. I've been busy producing a Bf 110 campaign though, so I have devoted all my "test time" to my own work. 

[Gambit21]

Peeps - I can assure they're paying attention.

I reported bugs long before I was a tester and saw results.

 

They simply don't have time to acknowledge the bug reports here, ("we'll look into that - thanks!")

We don't even get that on the beta test forum many times - they're overwhelmed.

I'm frustrated with certain bugs myself because they cause me time and productivity issues, but I'm not frustrated with the team as I know they're allocating resources as best they can. 

 

They probably need a community interface person - but again time/money...

 

 

[TheSNAFU]

So what I can't get my head around is if the team is small and resource limited why are they doing a new ww1, west front air battle and a tank sim? I for one am longing for  Bodenplatte BUT would gladly put that aside for long enough to allow serious time addressing the performance issues from the update, AI that needs serious help and other bugs. I am not judging cause I have no idea of their internal challenges. This is the best ww2 cfs ever so I work around the issues and try to be patient. 

Edited April 3, 2018 by TheSNAFU

[=IL2AU=ToknMurican]

I'll apologize for allowing a little irritation get through my response to the OP.   Here's the thing.  I do love the fact that the IL-2 series exists and receives continuing development.   It's not my intention to be a soothe speaker or naysayer.  I very much hope and wish for the success and longevity of the series. Maybe any one given bug may not be game breaking on it's own.   But when they start to pile on top of each other it gets annoying.  I would start listing them off, but they've been reported by several other people.    

 

Il-2 is a beautiful product, with heaps and heaps of potential.  But I mean.. a serious bug hunt and coat of polish would go a long way imo.   I find myself wondering how long I'll be waiting for fixes for some of the new not-necessarily game-breaking bugs but addition to the "pile" and half -expect to see an announcement for the first BoB plane and more new content long before then. 

 

I could hardly contain my excitement after reading the announcement of the BoB planeset. That excitement has just started to become a little overshadowed by the annoyance with some of these peksy bugs. 

 

Anyway - I'll leave it at that. I'm not trying to attack the devs or anyone.    I just disagree when it comes to priorities I guess. 

 

Edited April 3, 2018 by =TBAS=headwarp

[Gambit21]

34 minutes ago, TheSNAFU said:

So what I can't get my head around is if the team is small and resource limited why are they doing a new ww1, west front air battle and a tank sim? I for one am longing for  Bodenplatte BUT would gladly put that aside for long enough to allow serious time addressing the performance issues from the update, AI that needs serious help and other bugs. I am not judging cause I have no idea of their internal challenges. This is the best ww2 cfs ever so I work around the issues and try to be patient. 

 

Bottom line, they need revenue in order to continue to exist.

No revenue, no resources to fix bugs or do anything else.

 

If they just said "hey everyone, we're going to spend the next year doing nothing but bug fixes on the current release"

Guess what would happen?

[=IL2AU=ToknMurican]

10 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Bottom line, they need revenue in order to continue to exist.

No revenue, no resources to fix bugs or do anything else.

 

If they just said "hey everyone, we're going to spend the next year doing nothing but bug fixes on the current release"

Guess what would happen?

 

I don't buy that.   There are currently 3 titles in the Il-2 series available to purchase.   The more they improve the BASE game...the more appealing that is to the next person who picks up any one of those three to purchase the other two. 

 

Where as not ever addressing the growing list of bugs is more likely to push the diehard fans they're selling new content to away from buying that next copy.. like me.. I'd have already bought BoB in anticipation of it's release if the "peksy bugs" mentioned had ever been addressed.    

 

Perhaps another marketing approach is necessary. 

[Gambit21]

6 minutes ago, =TBAS=headwarp said:

 

  There are currently 3 titles in the Il-2 series available to purchase.   The more they improve the BASE game...the more appealing that is to the next person who picks up any one of those three to purchase the other two. 

 

Where as not ever addressing the growing list of bugs is more likely to push the diehard fans they're selling new content to away from buying that next copy.. like me.. I'd have already bought BoB in anticipation of it's release if the "peksy bugs" mentioned had ever been addressed.    

 

All of that is true - but it doesn't alter the reality of what I posted.

[TheSNAFU]

28 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Bottom line, they need revenue in order to continue to exist.

No revenue, no resources to fix bugs or do anything else.

 

If they just said "hey everyone, we're going to spend the next year doing nothing but bug fixes on the current release"

Guess what would happen?

 

And guess what would happen to say, Ford if they just kept building new model cars if the ones they've already built didn't run probably or had multiple defects. Same thing Im guessing. I doubt anyone is advocating they spend a year fixing things. But maybe a month or so focused solely on priority fixes could do wonders. 

Edited April 3, 2018 by TheSNAFU

[Gambit21]

1 minute ago, TheSNAFU said:

 

And guess what would happen to say, Ford if they just kept building new model cars if the ones they've already built didn't run probably or had multiple defect. Same thing Im guessing. I doubt anyone is advocating they spend a year fixing things. But maybe a month or so focused solely on priority fixes could do wonders. 

 

Cars - not the best analogy here. A fix to a new model doesn't get retroactively applied to the previous one.

That said they've spent that time and more, and will continue to do so I'm sure.

The list of bug fixes just in the last few months is huge. The fact that Jason got clearance to hire another programmer is also huge.

 

As I indicated there are things causing me problems, and not just in a 'play time' sense.

I also have more of a grasp of their challenges.

[TheSNAFU]

Im sure the product type has little to nothing to do with the point...Like I said I don't know their internal challenges. I just hope they can take some time to devote enough resources to fix some of the big things that obviously need attention like performance and AI. Sales might just increase. I'm rooting for them to succeed in every way. 

Edited April 3, 2018 by TheSNAFU

[=IL2AU=ToknMurican]

1 minute ago, TheSNAFU said:

I sure the product type has little to nothing to do with the point...Like I said I don't know their internal challenges. I just hope they can take some time to devote enough resources to fix some of the big things that obviously need attention like performance and AI. Sales might just increase. I'm rooting for them to succeed in every way. 

 

This. +1

 

Underneath the disdain is the desire to see the IL-2 series continue to be a success.   And I happen to be in the camp that some dedicated cleanup time and polishing would do a lot for customer retention.

 

I won't go into how I believe there has to be an easier business model and ways to attract more people in general to this niche genre. 

 

 

 

 

 

[sniperton]

Let's wait off the Orthodox Easter at the end of this week and return to complaining when it passes by without the first batch of bugfixes released.

[Arfsix]

Quote

 

     Bugs and bug fixes are not apparent to new purchasers and have no influence on the decision to buy. Frankly my dear, unless a game has acquired a bad reputation in reviews, most new buyers trust the publisher to handle the bug problems. So any money the publisher spends on bug fixes, is simply for future continuation of the game and does not contribute to immediate sales.  

[1_Robert_]

It's a niche product. Comparing this to the automotive market might not be the best comparison  This isn't some multi billion dollar tech company giving poor customer service at the expense of more profit. They're simply trying to exist.

Look at all the flight sim developers over the years and how many of them are still around. This is a tough, low profit gig, and the more we complain, the better the chances are this developer will be gone too. Everyone has an opinion but for me given the choice of this product in it's current state with slow and continuous patching, or no product at all- I'd take the former. 

[TheSNAFU]

Alright already forget the auto example. Use any product on earth that is for sale. If the product has more than cosmetic problems and they are not addressed while the manufacturer of said product continues to try and sell more of their new products It will

sooner or later be a problem for them. I get the small margins and all but I think a short focused period for fixing some of the bigger issues would be worth their time. I have all three games and multiple planes and was glad to buy em. I will try to stay patient and  continue to support this small band of merry men and their flying machines! 

Edited April 6, 2018 by TheSNAFU

[=STP=Darrylx444]

I am a bit new here, so please pardon my optimism. My experience so far is similar to the OP: get no acknowledgement of bug reported here or via support page. Even worse: I got a one-liner denial of responsibility for a real bug I reported a few weeks ago. Then no response to my follow up.

 

I respect how busy the devs must be, but I assume they must already have a constantly-updated working list of bugs. So why not just share it with us via a special document page on this forum once a week?  Perhaps a list with a status rating such as : reported, confirmed, unable to reproduce, fixing, testing, fixed, patched. And maybe a priority rating, estimated difficulty rating, and discovery date also. Or whatever they already use internally. Perhaps a bilingual forum member could volunteer to translate it if needed.

 

I don't think that would take them any/much extra time, since it would be part of an organisational triage-type process that they must already be doing anyway. It would go a long way to improving / expanding communication with their customers. I think it would help us to be patient knowing they did get our reports and are looking into them. And also then we can appreciate if they may need to focus on somebody else's bug before ours.

[BOO]

46 minutes ago, 1CAG_Darrylx444 said:

I am a bit new here, so please pardon my optimism. My experience so far is similar to the OP: get no acknowledgement of bug reported here or via support page. Even worse: I got a one-liner denial of responsibility for a real bug I reported a few weeks ago. Then no response to my follow up.

 

I respect how busy the devs must be, but I assume they must already have a constantly-updated working list of bugs. So why not just share it with us via a special document page on this forum once a week?  Perhaps a list with a status rating such as : reported, confirmed, unable to reproduce, fixing, testing, fixed, patched. And maybe a priority rating, estimated difficulty rating, and discovery date also. Or whatever they already use internally. Perhaps a bilingual forum member could volunteer to translate it if needed.

 

I don't think that would take them any/much extra time, since it would be part of an organisational triage-type process that they must already be doing anyway. It would go a long way to improving / expanding communication with their customers. I think it would help us to be patient knowing they did get our reports and are looking into them. And also then we can appreciate if they may need to focus on somebody else's bug before ours.

I'm sure you know the arguments (devs listen, small team etc) and they are true. Evidence is the place this game is in now compared to the start of 2016.

 

The trouble with bug thread is they get soooooo long one can forget the why one came to report a bug by the time its been read through. 

 

I doubt it could be expected for a busy and small team to maintain such a log but it would be really useful if one or two of the more active and involved community members (testers) perhaps maintained a summary thread making previously reported bugs more readily apparent. The thread could be broken down by categories ( release version aircraft type, GUI, Career etc) so someone could quickly see if their bug is shared. Its a lot of work for sure but, once done, no more than repetitively posting "already reported" or "not a bug" in forums various. 

 

Nirvana would be that the devs could add if time allowed and the community understood that if they posted in thread below a repeated bug it will be ignored but new bugs will be added to the list. Having a tester (s) do this would also help filter out a lot of false reporting of issues since these chaps are more "in the know" than most of us. 

 

Just me own 2 cents. 

[sniperton]

+1. Now that it turned out that 3.001 'didn't require any urgent critical hotfixes' according to the devs, it seems that such a summary thread cataloguing all the confirmed bugs could be most useful.

[THERION]

Echo chamber confirmed! Nice DD, yes, but issues are not taken seriously nor the concerns of a lot of users here.

Tragic unfolding in my eyes. I'm out...

 

Cheers

[sniperton]

Don't get out, mate, look on the bright side, we still have one half of the apple

[[DBS]El_Marta]

"didn't require any urgent critical hotfixes"

 

Which is just correct imho. There are issues, but no game breakers. Allowing for a little slow down after meeting the deadpoint of the release should just be fair. Fixes are in the making for sure.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

On 4/2/2018 at 5:51 PM, =TBAS=headwarp said:

 

I don't buy that.   There are currently 3 titles in the Il-2 series available to purchase.   The more they improve the BASE game...the more appealing that is to the next person who picks up any one of those three to purchase the other two. 

 

Where as not ever addressing the growing list of bugs is more likely to push the diehard fans they're selling new content to away from buying that next copy.. like me.. I'd have already bought BoB in anticipation of it's release if the "peksy bugs" mentioned had ever been addressed.    

 

Perhaps another marketing approach is necessary. 

 

Your post states "not ever addressing," which is utter nonsense. They are constantly addressing and correcting bugs as they go. Perhaps not at the rate you would prefer but every update contains tons of work in that department. Most fixes are listed in change logs, many are not. There are relatively few glaring bugs but there are a few.

 

This small team is busting a hump on content. They are doing bug work where they can fit it in. Every new release will add much and break a little. You have to expect that. Hot fixes are always released within a few weeks and often within a few hours for major releases. It looks like one is on the way shortly, in fact. Relatively few design houses are that agile and attentive. Expecting them to devote a design cycle or even assign an engineer to bug crushing alone is not realistic at all. It is and will continue to be an 'as they go' endeavour for the forseeable future.

 

The game works very well for most users and that is a testament to the vision, skill and work ethic of the crew. I hope you get the fixes you want but the above statement is a little over the top. It is patently unfair to guys who throw their lives into producing content and misleading to new users and people making decisions on whether to purchase the game.

Edited April 6, 2018 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[sniperton]

47 minutes ago, [DBS]El_Marta said:

"didn't require any urgent critical hotfixes"

 

Which is just correct imho. There are issues, but no game breakers.

 

With all my respect, planes completely disappearing in front of clouds is just an 'issue' for me (as I fly with labels), but others on full real settings may feel differently. I buy the argument that a fix was not feasible in such a short time, but it's just understandable that a statement like 'didn't require any urgent critical hotfixes' may have made some customers feel a bit uneasy.

[=IL2AU=ToknMurican]

3 hours ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

 

Your post states "not ever addressing," which is utter nonsense. They are constantly addressing and correcting bugs as they go. Perhaps not at the rate you would prefer but every update contains tons of work in that department. Most fixes are listed in change logs, many are not. There are relatively few glaring bugs but there are a few.

 

This small team is busting a hump on content. They are doing bug work where they can fit it in. Every new release will add much and break a little. You have to expect that. Hot fixes are always released within a few weeks and often within a few hours for major releases. It looks like one is on the way shortly, in fact. Relatively few design houses are that agile and attentive. Expecting them to devote a design cycle or even assign an engineer to bug crushing alone is not realistic at all. It is and will continue to be an 'as they go' endeavour for the forseeable future.

 

The game works very well for most users and that is a testament to the vision, skill and work ethic of the crew. I hope you get the fixes you want but the above statement is a little over the top. It is patently unfair to guys who throw their lives into producing content and misleading to new users and people making decisions on whether to purchase the game.

 

spectate bug - unaddressed since 2014, Dserver limiting connections when multiple people are trying to connect or whatever kicks people back to the main menu - unaddressed.  There's a list of bugs that goes on and on.  You can defend the lack of polish... however, my wingmates and I tend to find these pesky things rather annoying.  Add on top of that with BoK the lack of sorting the server list, as well has having to select every plane TWICE now to access aircraft modifications. 

 

 

The BoK bugs are new, hope to see fixes soon..but what do you call bugs dating back to 2014?  The word I would use is unaddressed. aka "never addressed"  Also how inspiring is that supposed to be to me that the BoK bugs above won't be around for another 4 years. 

 

I've avoided comparing the devs to another small team of about 9 devs I know whose entire early access release has been nothing but polishing, and quick addressing of any issues that pop up and get mentioned by their playerbase.  Putting AAA devs to shame.     The difference being they're kickstarter backed and have a lot more freedom, as well as working on something less complicated than a sim...but if something like the spectate bug was in their software for more than a week in what was available to the public, they'd verbally chastise themselves publicly and apologize for it.    I'm not asking for that.. or a fix to all my problems next week.    However, 

 

 

Don't try to treat me like I'm talking out of my hind end.   There are bugs unaddressed for years... and they're already starting work on BoBP  with no mention of addressing 4 year old bugs.

 

You can defend this if you'd like... but the more and more bugs that pile up without fixes the less and less the beauty of this game shines through.   

 

Doesn't matter how small the bug at this point.. there are so fricking many it's almost more work to navigate around them than it is to fly the planes.   The longer they go unaddressed..the more buried in code  they are. 

 

You're welcome to your opinion that the game is fine as is...but with the amount of money being asked for every year me personally.. some time dedicated to fixing a growing list of bugs would certainly inspire more confidence in buying the next IL-2 product. 

I'm being unfair? I own every plane in the game other than the Ju-52, and personally I'd like to see some work done to correct the errors.    You react as if asking for fixes for the old content I've already purchased before dedication to a whole new planeset and pricetag that will likely have the same issues and add more is unreasonable... and it's not.    At some point they need to polish the product.    I know I'm not alone in thinking the lack of doing so is making the experience feel a bit sloppy. 

 

Again...perhaps a new marketing strategy is necessary.   If the pressure from the publisher is so much that there is no time to polish the products being put out, again - imo try a new form of advertisement... hell seed a free copy to random airforce personnel  across the world and let word of mouth do its thing, which,  at least in my head  makes more sense than trying to sell to sell a new planeset to the  fans that are sticking without getting rid of as many layers of tedium as possible between the player and the gameplay.. (considering I took up the simming hobby after my father who was in the airforce introduced me to it)  

 

No dis-repsect intended to anyone or the dev team, but attempting silence to my opinion won't change it.  And with the number changing to 4 relevant titles + collecters planes..how could anyone say someone being unimpressed by any one of those purchases based on their experiences with it wouldn't have an immediate effect on sales?   Big picture guys.. we want new players to buy ALL the content.   A polished product reinforces that possibility.  As well as improves the chances of customer retention.     

 

*editing to acknowledge the DD mentioned some upcoming fixes and improvements.. which I am not attempting to discredit.    Long story short - this one's faith will be restored with some fixes to some long standing nuisances within what again I will describe as a beautiful program with heaps and heaps of potential that inspires enough passion to be able to say this much about something.     I didn't intend to reply further to this post, but.. the only utter nonsense I've posted was in my original response to the OP.. and to specifiy - I used sarcasm and have already apologized for it.    It runs in the bloodline >.<. My family doesn't really consider sarcasm an attack, we laugh it off.  I'll try to be more aware in the future.    But to say I'm speaking rubbish by saying there are bugs that haven't been addressed in going on half a decade felt ironic, and in need of correction.   I don't know one single player who has never experienced a host of several well-known bugs that have existed from the time I started playing.  "Utter rubbish." you say?  I challenge you to find your way to any discord server frequented by fans of the series and ask what bugs have been experienced and how long they've been experiencing them.  Come with a thick skin if you come to the one I frequent as the boys like to have some laughs. 

 

If you still want to say I'm full of it.. you're welcome to pretend I don't exist.  I don't mind. 

 

Call it misleading.. but I not only want people to buy copies of IL-2.. i hope they stick around..tell friends..have more fun than they do frustration.  

 

Anyway.. I don't have anything left to say about this.. we'll see what the future brings.. I just hope to spark some consideration. 

  

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 6, 2018 by =TBAS=headwarp

[SYN_Haashashin]

4 hours ago, EAF_T_Therion said:

Echo chamber confirmed! Nice DD, yes, but issues are not taken seriously nor the concerns of a lot of users here.

Tragic unfolding in my eyes. I'm out...

I kindly suggest all of those that said the dev team doenst read this sub-forum, to read the DD again, because you seem to miss the part where Han stated that around 40 fixes are going to be rolled out in 3-4 weeks. From his post:  "Anyway, at this moment we already have around 40 changes and enhancements we plan to release in the next 3-4 weeks. Graphics, Career, AI, multiplayer and some other stuff will be addressed."

 

To be clear, Devs almost never post in these parts of the forum, but if you look at the bug fix history from them, you will see that they read it. Their priority list could seem different from them to mine or yours but then there is only one thing you (we) can do, agree to disagree.

 

Also, now that we are at it...take these rules into account. Also even if you say you dont want to attack the devs, some here are doing it...doesnt need to be directly.

 

17. Spreading false or harmful information about the product is prohibited and will be deleted by forum administration. Claiming ignorance of the subject to justify harmful or obviously untrue info will not be tolerated.

 

2. This forum is provided by 1C-777 Ltd. as a courtesy and its usage is a privilege and 1C-777 Ltd. reserves the right to ban any member temporarily or permanently for any reason at any time. Any penalties listed below for violations of the rules are guidelines only and forum administration may take additional action if they feel it is warranted. Use of the forum is not connected to usage of the game and access to this forum is not guaranteed to users as a consequence of purchasing the game.

 

Haash

 

 

 

 

[Lemon]

hello

" release went ok and didn't require any urgent critical hotfixes, which is strange for such fundamental changes, to be honest "

 

maybe the choice of words was not the best ones for peoples who got problems and specially for those who claim they cant even play the sim since 3.001,

i can think of the thread about track ir problem , so many claim to have the roll reversed when look behind since the update and there is around 3 000 views of this thread..

so i guess for some of them and others with other serious problems like the stutters can take this part of the dev comment like the team are not aware of what they d like to be fixed.

 

Since i got some issues too  with the 3.001,  i m glad to read your comment Mr. Haashashin  about the changes and enhancements planned,  pretty sure it is what many others wanted to read too.

that could have been a good idea to post the Han comment in the Technical Issues and Bug Reports section since it is the first place people with problems would go,

DD section is maybe one of the last place someone will look for answers to their problems since it is mostly use to talk about new content.

Thank you!

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I will never understand why people can go from “you challenged my opinion” to “why are you trying to silence me, you think everything is fine and you are on the DEV forever defense team!” Nothing is further from the truth. All of my refutations apply to your retort as well and contain none of the above. Read it again.

 

There is only a certain amount of time/overhead and they budget what they can to bugs. Every patch, since ever, has bug fixes. Some small and some large. Your pets will get addressed at some point. Their priority list is their own.

 

MOST people are clearly enjoying the game a great deal. I honestly wish you were having more fun. Focusing on the mountain of positives here would be a healthy first step in that regard.

[=IL2AU=ToknMurican]

15 minutes ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

I will never understand why people can go from “you challenged my opinion” to “why are you trying to silence me, you think everything is fine and you are on the DEV forever defense team!” Nothing is further from the truth. All of my refutations apply to your retort as well and contain none of the above. Read it again.

 

There is only a certain amount of time/overhead and they budget what they can to bugs. Every patch, since ever, has bug fixes. Some small and some large. Your pets will get addressed at some point. Their priority list is their own.

 

MOST people are clearly enjoying the game a great deal. I honestly wish you were having more fun. Focusing on the mountain of positives here would be a healthy first step in that regard.

 

Sir.. you claimed my words as utter rubbish.   It's a fact, not opinion, that bugs exist that have gone unaddressed since before I started playing.   The opinion is that they're annoying more than just me. As I said -   You're welcome to the opinion that the bugs don't bother you.. but sir I will not respect you for telling me I'm just BS'ing.     As far as qualifications for speaking for "MOST" people as you're doing.. well I'm only speaking for the people I personally fly with, who on numerous occasions have had our fun ruined by some long standing issues. 

 

What is claiming a fact as utter rubbish if not an attempt to silence someone you disagree with?   I'm not in any position not to ask you to not post your opinions of bugs in this thread.. but I'm going to ask you to just ignore what I have to say in the future.. if all you can see in all the valid points made is confrontation.   As I stated.. feel free to hop on the discords.. ask what bugs people have been experiencing and for how long.    You are not required to take my word for it and your need to tell me I'm speaking rubbish isn't something I'm going to continue listening to.  Then tell me it's utter rubbish that there are some long standing bugs that have continued unaddressed.  

 

*edit* i feel peace has been restored. 

 

Edited April 6, 2018 by =TBAS=headwarp

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

4 hours ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

Where as not ever addressing the growing list of bugs

 

This, is in fact, completely untrue and the only thing I have really called BS on.

 

Edit: I haven’t called any of your specific bug complaints untrue or unimportant, either to you or in the grand scheme. The sweeping claim that the devs are unresponsive to bugs, however, is just simply not true and harmful.

Edited April 6, 2018 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[=IL2AU=ToknMurican]

12 minutes ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

 

This, is in fact, completely untrue and the only thing I have really called BS on.

 

Alright.. I'll word it differently.   A list of bugs that have to this point been unaddressed and a few which have only shown up with the recent patch..or a growing list *cough*.   And my context being, hoping that sometime between now and BoBP they make the time to address them.    Which - was also before the DD today saying they're hoping to improve some things. So there's that.   I'm more than willing to be proven wrong by the IL-2 Dev team.  In fact.. thats the goal.  

 

I can go back and put it like that in the post if you'd like.. we cool now Murf?   I mean.. we both like sims.. we won't be thinking about this when we cross paths and try to gun one another down.  Until BAM i get booted to the menu while you have me in your crosshairs for no apparent reason.  Tell me you wouldn't rage a little? 

 

really though.. wording aside..still.. looking forward to some fixes dev team *crosses fingers*

 

 

Edited April 6, 2018 by =TBAS=headwarp