P-38 Lightning Speculation Thread

[Cpt_Siddy]

2 hours ago, Dakpilot said:

 

Exept that when an engine runs in a regime that causes detonation (running high boost) catastrophic failure is fairly instant. 

 

Engines that are making 1000-1500+ hp have to run in a fairly concise temp range, when you run above those temps at high power settings things tend to skyrocket exponentially.. creating 1000 odd HP generates a LOT of heat  and when unchecked will cause real damage very quickly that is likely permanent (and catastrophic) 

 

It is perhaps better (generalising) to compare WWII fighter engines to racing engines of the time (when abused out of limits they go bang pretty quickly) than what most people are familiar with in general experience i.e. a fairly modern car engine. 

 

Trouble is, if things were modelled with more leniency it would be abused (I assume by people like siddy) with continued combat right up to point of failure. It is bad enough to watch a group of aircraft all continuing combat   with multiple streams of coolant and fuel leaks streaming away "to just get that last kill!" 

 

This is just my general opinion having flown millions of miles in R/L mostly in war zones and a lot in WWII era a/c having blown many many big radials all of which were catastrophic and required imidiate shut down or pretty much instant failure. 

 

Damage to engine puts you out of the fight. But a lot of MP monkeys don't want that, they feel the need to re-enact the one in a million "lost two cylinders and carried on flying example" but in combat in every single mission (sort of joking but you may get my point) 

 

Feel free to nit pick with extreme examples but I AM generalising based on experience 

 

Better detonation and cooling modeling have been mentioned by devs as an intention and I look forward to when they have time and resources to implement 

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

 

 

 

 

If you claim that you have flown big piston engines crafts, then you should know that looking for these symptoms is like one of the big part of pilots or on board engineer job to keep the engine healthy. Pre detonation and other malfunctions do usually have one or more noticeable symptoms, and you learn to look for them, no matter are you driving a Lada or Skyraider. 

Id love to dig in to details... in its own thread.

 

However, I like how you want to bring MP in to this, in some servers where life don't cost you anything, you see some.... odd behavior from pilots. In servers where life indeed do cost you something, you rarely see this. And yes, even in real life war situations, there were the moments called "use it or lose it". There were numerous situations in wartime where pilots did floor their engines to get away... the ones who got away prolly got promptly chewed up by their chief engineers (who had to work overtime now). Abused engines in need of overhaul were nothing new after energetic dogfight had taken place.

 

 

"Better detonation and cooling modeling have been mentioned by devs as an intention and I look forward to when they have time and resources to implement"

 

Literally only thing you need to say to make me happy(er).

[Garven]

I'd be curious to see what the time between overhauls of a Russian klimov was compared to the time between overhaul expectancy of an Allison.  I'm also wondering how much (or even if) that expected time amount affected the ratings chosen by the manufacturers in their respective user manuals.

Edited September 15, 2019 by -332FG-Garven

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

Better detonation and cooling modeling have been mentioned by devs as an intention and I look forward to when they have time and resources to implement"

I have asked for this a long time. 

I gladly pay for it too. But will all?  

I think Jason saying the game engine need a rebuild this is one major reason for it. 

I firmly believe the shortcomings of engine management is the biggest bottleneck of this game and the devs are banging on that wall in all they make. 

It is easy to see the high ambitions they have. 

This is why I still hanging on, I believe in their ambition and willingness to make the best product they  possibly can

[unreasonable]

6 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

Speaking of P-38 speculation, I wonder what happened next... 

 

 

 

I imagine he completed his victory roll, landed, then had a strip torn off by his CO. 

[Poochnboo]

I honestly don't know how he could have enough altitude to complete that roll.

[XQ_Lothar29]

❤️❤️ 

[ZachariasX]

12 hours ago, Jaegermeister said:

The intercooler air never enters the booms.

Yes.

 

 

 

12 hours ago, Jaegermeister said:

Technically, the earlier intercoolers were fine.

It didn't have any regulation at all. It was not "automatic", but "static". It just cooled as it cooled. I can't find any technical drawing showing an actuater for the regulation of the heat interchanger. At (later) high power settings they cooled not enough, in cold weather at low power ratings, they cooled too much. Besides, the arrangement made the Lightning a larger target than it was already. For unmolested flights over Burbank with the Allisons for the YP-38 , they were fine. In an adverse world, they are fine as lead in a shelf.

 

 

[unreasonable]

2 hours ago, Poochnboo said:

I honestly don't know how he could have enough altitude to complete that roll.

 

Depends which way he is rolling: if clockwise (from our POV) he is already ~ 2/3 of the way through it. Typical right handed pilot would push his stick to the left to roll. 

How long does a P-38 take to roll 120 degrees once it has reached it's maximum rate of roll? Depends on speed and type but it could be only about a second or so.

 

But maybe he crashed. Where does the photo come from?

Edited September 15, 2019 by unreasonable

[Lusekofte]

2 minutes ago, unreasonable said:

Typical right handed pilot would push his stick to the left to roll. 

P 38 got yoke and the engines goes counter each other. So it should not matter witch way it roll.  In fact a right handed person would choose right for comfort

[ZachariasX]

3 hours ago, unreasonable said:

 

I imagine he completed his victory roll, landed, then had a strip torn off by his CO. 

[JtD]

25 minutes ago, unreasonable said:

he is already ~ 2/3 of the way through it

 

I think that's the case, the left aileron seems to be deflected downwards.

 

Still insane.

[unreasonable]

All pilots are insane. edit: this one is only 1/3 of the way through his roll. 

 

Edited September 15, 2019 by unreasonable

[ZachariasX]

19 minutes ago, unreasonable said:

one is only 1/3 of the way through his roll. 

And most definitely a fake.

[unreasonable]

Just now, ZachariasX said:

And most definitely a fake.

 

  No doubt.  But then again, how to be sure the P-38 photo is not also fake?

[[CPT]Crunch]

P-38 was on the drawing boards long before the war drums started.  Every nation has a tendency to mobilize for war as if they were taking on themselves, since they always view themselves as top shelf.  Would have been magnificent at taking on inbound B-29's.  Hence the birth of the P-51 during the actual war.

[JtD]

1 hour ago, unreasonable said:

But then again, how to be sure the P-38 photo is not also fake?

 

Because fakes would be against regulation.

[ITAF_Rani]

Lightining from last Devs pics seems going to be insane..

[cardboard_killer]

1 hour ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

Would have been magnificent at taking on inbound B-29's.

 

It was magnificent at taking on incoming Betties and Nells.

[Lusekofte]

P 38 , Tempest are the only two reasons worth while bothering continue breathing

[Jaegermeister]

 

The intercooler air never enters the booms.

Yes.

 

Technically, the earlier intercoolers were fine.

It didn't have any regulation at all. It was not "automatic", but "static". It just cooled as it cooled. I can't find any technical drawing showing an actuater for the regulation of the heat interchanger. At (later) high power settings they cooled not enough, in cold weather at low power ratings, they cooled too much. Besides, the arrangement made the Lightning a larger target than it was already. For unmolested flights over Burbank with the Allisons for the YP-38 , they were fine. In an adverse world, they are fine as lead in a shelf.

 

 

Thanks for the info. That explains a lot.

 

Just to clarify though, the 2nd statement above you quoted from my post was a quote I made from Venturi’s post. I’m not sure how that happened.

Edited September 15, 2019 by Jaegermeister

[[URU]Panzer-uy]

Spoiler

 

 Tracer ammunition rounds for 20 mm and  .50  -

[Cpt_Siddy]

Wow, how stable and accurate!

[sevenless]

8 hours ago, [LAS]URU-Panzer said:

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 Tracer ammunition rounds for 20 mm and  .50  -

 

Thanks for that. Can´t wait to fly this fork-tailed devil and go locomotive busting.

[Rjel]

There's something not very stable about this.....

[Stoopy]

Hey on the bright side this thread went almost 6 months before getting all nit-picky and wacky!  ?

 

 

Edited September 21, 2019 by =[TIA]=Stoopy

[[DBS]Browning]

On 9/15/2019 at 6:17 PM, unreasonable said:

 

Depends which way he is rolling: if clockwise (from our POV) he is already ~ 2/3 of the way through it. Typical right handed pilot would push his stick to the left to roll. 

How long does a P-38 take to roll 120 degrees once it has reached it's maximum rate of roll? Depends on speed and type but it could be only about a second or so.

 

But maybe he crashed. Where does the photo come from?

 

 

Page 13 of the P-38 pilot manual states that rolls like this should only be done to the left else the nose wheel door may pop open and detach (!).

This would suggest that he is, indeed, 2/3 of his way through the roll.

 

https://archive.org/details/PilotTrainingManualP38/page/n15