What do I get with the mk103 cannon in the new 109G-6?

[Blitzen]

I’ve tried it several times & understand the difference in caliber but it appears to be slower firing ...does it have a much bigger stopping power for dealing with the frustratingly strong IL-2’s? Just wondering for those armor experts here in the forum...

[BeastyBaiter]

The 108 is a low velocity 30mm cannon intended for killing bombers. It's harder to aim and has less ammo than the 20m MG151 but packs a lot more punch. I assume that's the gun you mean. There is also an Mk.103 30mm cannon on some planes, but it is primarily an anti-tank gun.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

It's a bit slower firing yes, but not that much (650 rpm for the 30mm vs 700 for the 20mm), but it's a much more devastating round, as it packs around 4 times more explosives than the German 20mm.

 

 

The one in the G-6 is the MK 108. The MK 103 is a slower firing, but much higher velocity 30mm cannon used in the Hs 129 in game, useful for anti armor and engaging bombers at long distances (used by Me 410 for example). The bad thing about the 108 in the G-6 is that it's slow muzzle velocity makes it a bit tricky to aim, so you need to be generally closer to the target compared to other cannons.

Edited March 17, 2018 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[Blitzen]

Yes the 108...( hadn't had a second cup of coffee yet when I wrote this..) I used it on a career mission last night & saw the differences to which you speak esp when I hit somethingwhich wasn't all that often.

  I do recall an account by a Mustang pilot late in the war who saw a squadron mate's P-51 literally blown apart from one of these cannon shells fired from a 109.It must have hit something vital  and BOOM!

[ShamrockOneFive]

35 minutes ago, Blitzen said:

I’ve tried it several times & understand the difference in caliber but it appears to be slower firing ...does it have a much bigger stopping power for dealing with the frustratingly strong IL-2’s? Just wondering for those armor experts here in the forum...

 

The MK108 (the 103 as others point out is a much larger cannon for anti-tank duties) is a 30mm cannon that actually has a decent fire rate and a priority on aircraft destruction. It has extreme explosive power and that gives it the ability to rip into bombers and attack planes much more easily than the 20mm cannons do. One of its primary uses was for dealing with heavy bombers flying over Germany. It's perhaps a bit of an overkill weapon against some targets but that's ok... It means less time on target (if you hit).

[FZG_Merlin]

it works great in the game.. now ask yourself. Why do most russian servers ban the modification in their servers ?.....

[[N.O.G.F]_Cathal_Brugha]

24 minutes ago, Blitzen said:

I do recall an account by a Mustang pilot late in the war who saw a squadron mate's P-51 literally blown apart from one of these cannon shells fired from a 109.It must have hit something vital  and BOOM!

I used the 30mm on the 109k4 in IL-2 1946 to blow apart p-47s, one, sometimes two hits into the belly and the  nose, tail, and wings fall off of what used to exist of the middle. So far with the limited amount I have used it in here it seems to sometimes just do surface damage to what it hits, such as hitting the wing and the top skin of the wing gets blown off, but no structural damage, so the plane flies on. This seems fine however, as I read some accounts where planes survived cannon hits because the shell exploded on the skin rather than inside where it would have been much more damaging.

[Custard]

24 minutes ago, FZG_Merlin said:

it works great in the game.. now ask yourself. Why do most russian servers ban the modification in their servers ?.....

 

Because from a realism point of view it's actually out of time frame for the Kuban battle.
I'm not sure there is any evidence of the MK108 on the Eastern front this early in the war, the Luftwaffe's priority was to send them to units intercepting bombers over Germany.

[Yogiflight]

16 minutes ago, Custard said:

 

Because from a realism point of view it's actually out of time frame for the Kuban battle.
I'm not sure there is any evidence of the MK108 on the Eastern front this early in the war, the Luftwaffe's priority was to send them to units intercepting bombers over Germany.

Absolutely this. The MK108 here in game is just for playing around a bit.

To make the difference betweeb the MK108 and the MG151/20 clear, german statistics showed, they needed 20 hits with the 20mm, but only 4 hits with the 30mm to bring down a B17.

[Wolfram-Harms]

1 hour ago, Blitzen said:

 ...does it have a much bigger stopping power for dealing with the frustratingly strong IL-2’s?

 

Here is a short demo - pls don't take it too serious, anyone. I was so surprised myself about that "one-hit-wonder", that I had to make this "commercial" just for fun...

 

 

 

Edited March 17, 2018 by Wolfram-Harms

[Avimimus]

FYI - We are unlikely to see the Mk-103 on anything other than the Hs-129. 

 

The Bf-109 wasn't fitted with the Mk-103 because the more compact Mk-103m that could fit in the DB601 wasn't ready until 1945. The Mk-103 was tried on the FW-190 but the recoil did sufficient damage to the wings that the attempt was abandoned. One Me-262 may have been fitted with the Mk-103 but it never saw service. The best bet might be a Bf-110 variant (But no further variants are planned).

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

If at some time we get the Me 410 we could have it. They were fitted in the bomb bay below the cockpit

 

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

5 hours ago, Custard said:

 

Because from a realism point of view it's actually out of time frame for the Kuban battle.
I'm not sure there is any evidence of the MK108 on the Eastern front this early in the war, the Luftwaffe's priority was to send them to units intercepting bombers over Germany.

 

Are the heaviest German ground munitions also outside of the time frame?  Because they never get to use those either.

[Gunsmith86]

here is a short video that shows the damge the Mk108 could do with a single hit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Blitzen]

That would get your heart beating, wouldn't it?

[Voidhunger]

1:52   MK108 in action in Me163

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnwQcr8tnAw

 

 

[FZG_Merlin]

7 hours ago, Custard said:

 

Because from a realism point of view it's actually out of time frame for the Kuban battle.
I'm not sure there is any evidence of the MK108 on the Eastern front this early in the war, the Luftwaffe's priority was to send them to units intercepting bombers over Germany.

 

 

yeah, Im sure all these guys are about realism

 

you know like having people die and fly again 3min later...  or having airplanes smoking and leaking from 5 different spot and keep on fighting instead of bugging out etc etc...

Edited March 18, 2018 by FZG_Merlin

[7.GShAP/Silas]

 

You should take your nationalist agitation elsewhere, at least to the WoL thread.

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

4 hours ago, hrafnkolbrandr said:

 

Are the heaviest German ground munitions also outside of the time frame?  Because they never get to use those either.

 

The very large ordinance I believe was actually rare, and saved for special operations - having read other posts on the subject.

 

 

 

Mk108 should be rare depending on the time frame of the mission developed by the server operator - assuming they want some semblance of historical context.  But then the Vya23 on the lagg3 should almost be non existent on the servers.

 

What do you get with the Mk108?  Hit a fighter with just one round and they are finished. Time on target for a La5 and Lagg with the armament of the G4 and previous 109s was quite high especially for snapshots. Now, with the MK108 - you can remove enemies from the fight in a single burst - a capability the Russians have had over the 109s for a long time.

 

Force an La5FN to overshoot, and if your aim is good - he has no second chances. I'm not having any trouble getting MK108 rounds to connect and the effect is devastating.

[Fern]

8 hours ago, =EXPEND=Tripwire said:

Mk108 should be rare depending on the time frame of the mission developed by the server operator - assuming they want some semblance of historical context.  But then the Vya23 on the lagg3 should almost be non existent on the servers.

 

If they're going to restrict Mk108 and allow 23mm, I'll be $20 richer. Woot.

 

23 hours ago, FZG_Merlin said:

yet most server who allow the G6 don't give the mk108 option.. hahahha classic..

Are they really restricting Mk108?

[Sunde]

16 minutes ago, Fern said:

 

If they're going to restrict Mk108 and allow 23mm, I'll be $20 richer. Woot.

 

 

 

Are they really restricting Mk108?

A few of the popular servers were doing it initially yes, for whatever reason.

[Luftschiff]

As much as I -love- the 108, restricting it does make sense for a lot of mission time frames. Much more sense than the fact just about all jabo configurations are near permanently locked across the board. Then again, you're not wrong re the 23mm.

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

12 hours ago, =EXPEND=Tripwire said:

Now, with the MK108 - you can remove enemies from the fight in a single burst - a capability the Russians have had over the 109s for a long time.

 

Force an La5FN to overshoot, and if your aim is good - he has no second chances.

 

OK I take some of that back. Im starting to see La5Fn's survive a 30mm hit... 

[Jizzo]

25 minutes ago, =EXPEND=Tripwire said:

OK I take some of that back. Im starting to see La5Fn's survive a 30mm hit... 

I've had 109's survive 37mm bites from the P39, multiple times already... 

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

AP or HE?

[Jizzo]

Both.

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

I could understand an AP round maybe punching a hole though and not hitting something critical, but 37mm HE? Something is wrong there.