suggestion and discussion regarding upcoming content

[The-Doctor]

First i’d like to thank every single one working on this great sim . I’m Speechless 

About how this sim is perfectly VR optimized and fun .

 

Also i’m really honred to be a part of this great community . 

 

, i tried and i failed to find any subject refering to the fact that there is no “non-Ai” bomber in the upcoming Battle of Bodenplatte . Except for already existing german bomber which will creat an unbalanced battles in MP servers such as WoL 

 

is there any word about bombers for the allied side ??! 

 

And what do you think about this whole subject in general?! 

 

Edited March 17, 2018 by =RS=BlackRaven

[Danziger]

The B25 will start out as an AI. Jason stated in the Q&A session that they want to eventually make it flyable when they get time to do the interior stations. It was the same with the Ju52.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Which already existing German bomber? Are you talking about the Ju88? Most (all?) of the Ju88s in Bodenplatte were Ju88G series night-fighters rather than bombers. Though I can see server admins maybe making it available.

 

As for "balance" this is more about fighter-bombers than anything. By late 1944 and into 1945 many Western front fighters were capable of carrying around bombloads exceeding that of the bombers that started the war and some carried even more than that. A P-38 loaded fully would have 10x HVAR rockets plus a pair of 1000lb bombs under the wings. That's a LOT of firepower to bring to the battle. It's similar to what a Pe-2 can do. Presumably the FW190A-8 will have bombload options and be able to carry similar loadouts to the A-5 currently on offer while aircraft like the Me262, mostly used as a bomber in this area, could only carry a pair of SC250s but could do so at high speeds.

[The-Doctor]

22 minutes ago, BorysVorobyov said:

The B25 will start out as an AI. Jason stated in the Q&A session that they want to eventually make it flyable when they get time to do the interior stations. It was the same with the Ju52.

Gr8 news 

2 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

Which already existing German bomber? Are you talking about the Ju88? Most (all?) of the Ju88s in Bodenplatte were Ju88G series night-fighters rather than bombers. Though I can see server admins maybe making it available.

 

As for "balance" this is more about fighter-bombers than anything. By late 1944 and into 1945 many Western front fighters were capable of carrying around bombloads exceeding that of the bombers that started the war and some carried even more than that. A P-38 loaded fully would have 10x HVAR rockets plus a pair of 1000lb bombs under the wings. That's a LOT of firepower to bring to the battle. It's similar to what a Pe-2 can do. Presumably the FW190A-8 will have bombload options and be able to carry similar loadouts to the A-5 currently on offer while aircraft like the Me262, mostly used as a bomber in this area, could only carry a pair of SC250s but could do so at high speeds.

I mean sure you are right about fighter roles as bombers , but still allied used a lot of bombers in bombing runs . Also gamers in german side would love to dive on something helpless ?

[ShamrockOneFive]

If we exclude the strategic bombing campaign that mostly limits us to B-25s used by the RAF (AI for now as talked about) and some A-20s also in RAF service that were gradually replaced with B-25s. Then we have the 9th AF units of which I'm far less familiar with but I know that B-26s were assigned to the bombardment groups in the 9th AF. Were there any other types?

[Avimimus]

We could really do with the Il-4 to provide a proper medium bomber for the Soviets.

 

It'd be interesting if they added a strategic bomber - but the truth is they can't model the big formations with this engine - so low altitude combat with fighter bombers (and mediums) is the way to go. That said, they could model night bombers as they approach in loose formations to reduce risk of collisions (which could be spawned in and out). I doubt a Russian or American team will ever model the RAF night bombing campaign though.

[Royal_Flight]

It's a moot point as the devs have said they won't anyway - but I'd rather they didn't try to do strategic bombing, execute it badly then ruin it. 

BoX should stay tactical. 

 

A Mosquito and Me 410 would make for a good collector plane matchup. Both fast tactical ground attackers with twin engines and two crew, and both also usable as heavy fighters. 

 

The Luftwaffe don't have an obvious counterpart to the B-25 but the VVS don't have a counterpart to the He 111 either so matching like for like isn't necessarily the way to go.

Maybe if the B-25 is flyable, give the LW a Stuka D-5? Another tactical ground attacker that fits the theatre, has been requested before and has utility elsewhere, and can be converted from the existing D-3 to reduce time. 

 

Or a Ju 88C fighter-bomber version which has all the above advantages but provides more variety as a heavy fighter as well.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

Couldn't a Ju 188 be the medium bomber for the Germans in Bodenplatte? 

[Vastarien]

Maybe it's a bit of a stretch but is there any chance that we will get Do 335 as a collector plane for Bodenplatte? Seems like an interesting plane.

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

Couldn't a Ju 188 be the medium bomber for the Germans in Bodenplatte? 

 

I'd normally be 'we really need the Il-4' or 'the Ju-88c would work both on the western front and is a tank buster on the eastern front'.... but the Ju-188 is so attractive (only beat by the 288) that ...ah, yeah, I'm seduced by your suggestion.

[Royal_Flight]

2 hours ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

Couldn't a Ju 188 be the medium bomber for the Germans in Bodenplatte? 

 

1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

 

I'd normally be 'we really need the Il-4' or 'the Ju-88c would work both on the western front and is a tank buster on the eastern front'.... but the Ju-188 is so attractive (only beat by the 288) that ...ah, yeah, I'm seduced by your suggestion.

 

The only reason I didn't suggest the 188 earlier is mainly because the Ju 88C is more tactical which might suit BoBo better. No longer a dive-bomber and no bombsight for level bombing, but a heavy fighter-bomber that can strafe and bomb troops, bunkers, columns and airfields as well as intercept Allied bombers.

It offers more tactical options and there's also the idea that it could be used for other theatres such as Kuban or Italy (if we're lucky). Plus the devs often prefer to recycle and modify old assets into new releases as it's less time-consuming.

 

But I completely agree with you regarding the looks of the Ju 188 and I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if it made an appearance. Plus it would be good to see some new Axis types rather than a third Heinkel or another 88, especially as BoBo will bring the 109 total up to eight. 

 

1 hour ago, Vastarien said:

Maybe it's a bit of a stretch but is there any chance that we will get Do 335 as a collector plane for Bodenplatte? Seems like an interesting plane.

 

I don't think so as it's a bit of a paper plane and I don't know if it actually saw combat. Definitely an interesting aircraft though, would certainly cause headaches for the Allies in-game.

[Chief_Mouser]

2 hours ago, Vastarien said:

Maybe it's a bit of a stretch but is there any chance that we will get Do 335 as a collector plane for Bodenplatte? Seems like an interesting plane.

 

A very interesting plane, but totally irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Also, far too late for Bodenplatte.

[sevenless]

13 hours ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

If we exclude the strategic bombing campaign that mostly limits us to B-25s used by the RAF (AI for now as talked about) and some A-20s also in RAF service that were gradually replaced with B-25s. Then we have the 9th AF units of which I'm far less familiar with but I know that B-26s were assigned to the bombardment groups in the 9th AF. Were there any other types?

 

AFAIK Martin B-26 Marauder and Douglas A-26 Invader were together with B25s and A20s the most used medium bombers in the ETO 44/45. IIRC A26 Invaders began replacing A20s Boston/Havocs in September 1944 and became the fastest US bomber in WW2. 

 

Forgot to mention I really would love to see the Northrop P-61 Black Widow as a collector plane.

Edited March 17, 2018 by sevenless

[ShamrockOneFive]

2 hours ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

Couldn't a Ju 188 be the medium bomber for the Germans in Bodenplatte? 

 

It's a possibility. I think some where around for this operation... I'd have to check some of the data. Does anyone else know? I've never seen a Ju188 in a flight sim ever.

 

2 hours ago, Vastarien said:

Maybe it's a bit of a stretch but is there any chance that we will get Do 335 as a collector plane for Bodenplatte? Seems like an interesting plane.

 

It's a pretty big stretch. The Do335 did see operations but I don't know of any situations where I saw combat. From IL-2: 1946 it was one of my favourites to fly in very late war battles. We threw it into some matches because it was fun to fly and a little less overpowering than some of the jets. Man what a good time it was. Still, given the time constraints I think the desire to be to see the most useful and most common types involved in the battle and there is so much that can be done before a what-if comes in.

 

For Bodenplatte we have very few bomber options because they weren't really a thing at this time. But I suppose the Ju188 might be one, the Me410 was what a lot of the bomber squadrons converted on to and I really like that one if the devs have the ability to expand it out because slightly different variations and you have bomber, heavy fighter, zerstroyer, etc. Another one I proposed is the Ar234 as it was used in and around Bodenplatte and it has the advantage of being a single station bomber - slightly more complex than a standard fighter but only marginally and that means its easier for the devs to do.

 

Mosquitos and Beaufighters were both involved in tactical operations.

4 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

AFAIK Martin B-26 Marauder and Douglas A-26 Invader were together with B25s and A20s the most used medium bombers in the ETO 44/45. IIRC A26 Invaders began replacing A20s Boston/Havocs in September 1944 and became the fastest US bomber in WW2. 

 

I have a soft spot for the A-26 having seen one perform at an airshow more than a few times. Were A-26s involved in 9th AF operations? I'd love to see this aircraft some day... I know it was in the Pacific but I don't know much about its European use.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

33 minutes ago, Royal_Flight said:

 

 

The only reason I didn't suggest the 188 earlier is mainly because the Ju 88C is more tactical which might suit BoBo better. No longer a dive-bomber and no bombsight for level bombing, but a heavy fighter-bomber that can strafe and bomb troops, bunkers, columns and airfields as well as intercept Allied bombers.

It offers more tactical options and there's also the idea that it could be used for other theatres such as Kuban or Italy (if we're lucky). Plus the devs often prefer to recycle and modify old assets into new releases as it's less time-consuming.

 

But I completely agree with you regarding the looks of the Ju 188 and I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if it made an appearance. Plus it would be good to see some new Axis types rather than a third Heinkel or another 88, especially as BoBo will bring the 109 total up to eight. 

 

 

I don't think so as it's a bit of a paper plane and I don't know if it actually saw combat. Definitely an interesting aircraft though, would certainly cause headaches for the Allies in-game.

 

The only thing about the Ju 88C is that I perceive it as an earlier plane? If I had to choose a late war heavy fighter/attacker for the German team it would be the Me 410.

Edited March 17, 2018 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[sevenless]

6 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

 Were A-26s involved in 9th AF operations? I'd love to see this aircraft some day... I know it was in the Pacific but I don't know much about its European use.

 

Yes, if we can believe this website here:

 

https://www.flying-tigers.co.uk/2017/douglas-a-26-b-26-invader-and-air-force-1-new-models-and-re-stocks/

 

Douglas needed better results from the Invader’s second combat test, so A-26s began arriving in Europe in late September 1944 for assignment to the Ninth Air Force. The initial deployment involved 18 aircraft and crews assigned to the 553d Squadron of the 386th Bomb Group. This unit flew its first mission on 6th September 1944. No aircraft were lost on the eight test missions, and the Ninth Air Force announced that it was happy to replace all of its A-20s and B-26s with the A-26 Invader.

A-26B Invader 552nd BS, 386th BG, Beaumont, France 1944 “Stinky” See Below for model.

The first group to fully convert to the A-26B was 416th Bombardment Group with which it entered combat on 17th November, and the 409th Bombardment Group, whose A-26s became operational in late November. Due to a shortage of A-26C variants, the groups flew a combined A-20/A-26 unit until deliveries of the glass-nose version caught up. Besides bombing and strafing, tactical reconnaissance and night interdiction missions were undertaken successfully. In contrast to the Pacific-based units, the A-26 was well received by pilots and crew alike, and by 1945, the 9th AF had flown 11,567 missions, dropping 18,054 tons of bombs, recording seven confirmed kills while losing 67 aircraft.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Ok, I want it! :D

[sevenless]

A rare but sexy beast. Stationed at Florennes, Belgium.

 

Filmed at A-78 Florennes/Juzaine, Belgium, when P-61s flew day ground attack missions during the Battle of the Bulge. 422nd Night Fighter Squadron received P-61s in England in June 1944 and was in action against V-1 bombs in July. In early August 1944 422nd NFS was transferred to Maupertus, France (with sister 425th NFS).

 

 

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Edited March 17, 2018 by sevenless