A20 elevator shake

[BOO]

After maybe a minute of flying the A20 the elevators begin to flutter violently but very slightly. If you have a dumb stick you may see the control column moving but not notice much in the way of aircraft attitude. I have an MS FFB2. The whole damn house is shaking. 

 

Tried a few other aircraft with no issues. Just the A20. 

 

Is it me? Am I missing something? 

 

Help?

[LukeFF]

Just now, BOO said:

Is it me? Am I missing something? 

 

Yes. Close the upper cowl flaps.

[BOO]

Genius - Thank you Luke!!!!

[LukeFF]

No problem. For more of an explanation, see this video, starting around 5:15:

 

 

[Seb71]

In the plane specifications (in game) they say it's forbidden to open the upper cowls (inlet cowl shutters) during flight.

[SwallowFire]

3 hours ago, LukeFF said:

No problem. For more of an explanation, see this video, starting around 5:15:

 

 

Thanks man. I almost reported a bug before i saw your post.

[No145_Bunny]

I am having strange issues with this on the A20.

 

I have my inlet cowls mapped to a Siatek Throttle Quadrant (lever. I use the same control on the LA5, which work without any issues).

 

On the A20 however, It doesnt work at all. I have managed to get it to work once and closed the top cowls once. Then it wouldn't work again.

 

I stress that the control ALWAYS works on the LA5.

 

I have even tried to map it to a button on the keyboard and to other controls on my HOTAS (nothing seems to work). I dont even get the technical chat on the left to say that the Inlet cowls are being used. I do for the Outlet ones.

 

This only happens on the A20. Any ideas chaps ?

 

Thanks

 

 

[Carl_infar]

1 hour ago, No145_Bunny said:

I am having strange issues with this on the A20.

 

I have my inlet cowls mapped to a Siatek Throttle Quadrant (lever. I use the same control on the LA5, which work without any issues).

 

On the A20 however, It doesnt work at all. I have managed to get it to work once and closed the top cowls once. Then it wouldn't work again.

 

I stress that the control ALWAYS works on the LA5.

 

I have even tried to map it to a button on the keyboard and to other controls on my HOTAS (nothing seems to work). I dont even get the technical chat on the left to say that the Inlet cowls are being used. I do for the Outlet ones.

 

This only happens on the A20. Any ideas chaps ?

 

Thanks

 

 

Hi

I Had similar problem. The controls of inlet shutters were working at first yesterday, then today i played again and  this time i was not airstarting but had a cold start and the inlet shutters controls were not working. I restarted the il2 and selected the air start and it was working again. Next I went for the cold start on ground and it was still working.

 

So generally after I restarted the game the problem vanished, I wonder if it will show up again 

[No145_Bunny]

37 minutes ago, Carl_infar said:

Hi

I Had similar problem. The controls of inlet shutters were working at first yesterday, then today i played again and  this time i was not airstarting but had a cold start and the inlet shutters controls were not working. I restarted the il2 and selected the air start and it was working again. Next I went for the cold start on ground and it was still working.

 

So generally after I restarted the game the problem vanished, I wonder if it will show up again 

 

Yes, after a restart of BOS it was working again. OR if you choose the LA5 instead it seems to work again. However even after a reboot of the PC the problem came back. Its almost as if the A20 refuses to recognise the control input whereas the LA5 does. Im interested to see that someone else had the same issue. IS it the case that the A20 is designed to NOT allow you to open the inlet cowls in certain situations ? Having said that you can use the Outlet ones at any time ??

very confused.

 

[Carl_infar]

22 minutes ago, No145_Bunny said:

 

Yes, after a restart of BOS it was working again. OR if you choose the LA5 instead it seems to work again. However even after a reboot of the PC the problem came back. Its almost as if the A20 refuses to recognise the control input whereas the LA5 does. Im interested to see that someone else had the same issue. IS it the case that the A20 is designed to NOT allow you to open the inlet cowls in certain situations ? Having said that you can use the Outlet ones at any time ??

very confused.

 

I had this problem only on A20, but it went away after the restart of the game, so it seams that its a kind of bug which shows and goes after restart. 

[7.GShAP/Silas]

Is there a manual for the A20 anywhere?

[=LD=Hethwill]

23 minutes ago, 7.GShAP/Silas said:

Is there a manual for the A20 anywhere?

 

http://www.avialogs.com/index.php/aircraft/usa/douglas/a-20havocvoston/t-o-01-40ab-1-a-20a-operating-and-flight-instructions.html

 

[7.GShAP/Silas]

Thank you!

[SAG]

3 hours ago, No145_Bunny said:

 

Yes, after a restart of BOS it was working again. OR if you choose the LA5 instead it seems to work again. However even after a reboot of the PC the problem came back. Its almost as if the A20 refuses to recognise the control input whereas the LA5 does. Im interested to see that someone else had the same issue. IS it the case that the A20 is designed to NOT allow you to open the inlet cowls in certain situations ? Having said that you can use the Outlet ones at any time ??

very confused.

 

 

 

ive had the same unresponsive axis problem but with the mixture on the Mig 3, maybe its a new 30001 bug

[LukeFF]

You have to have both engines selected in order to use the inlet cowl flaps.

[Mmaruda]

Had the same issue and cowl flaps seem to do the job, but I think this is a bit bugged though. For starters the shaking is only experience from the pilots position - he's like epileptic or something or rather his chair is. Looks funny from the outside view, but from this perspective you can clearly see flutter on the elevators (ariflow?) and the pilots chair. All smooth on gunner seats.

[Nic727]

On 2018-03-14 at 3:24 PM, LukeFF said:

 

Yes. Close the upper cowl flaps.

Lol.

 

that was something I learned tonight. When I was airborne, my cockpit started to shake massively. I wasn’t able to see anything. Finally fixed the problem the upper cowl flap.

 

but what’s the point of this cowl flap if upper and lower need to stay closed?

 

thank you

 

Edit: Saw the video and learned it’s for taxiing. Thank you for sharing!

Edited March 16, 2018 by Nic727

[No145_Bunny]

I have found the answer to my issue.

In the A20, in order to use the TOP (INLET) engine cowls, you must have ALL engines selected. NOT individually selected. This is odd because the Outlet Cowls don't need ALL engines selected. Works now though.

 

Just seen LukeFF's post above..... DOH!

Edited March 16, 2018 by No145_Bunny

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, No145_Bunny said:

I have found the answer to my issue.

In the A20, in order to use the TOP (INLET) engine cowls, you must have ALL engines selected. NOT individually selected. This is odd because the Outlet Cowls don't need ALL engines selected. Works now though.

 

Just seen LukeFF's post above..... DOH!

 

 

It works this way, because both sets of upper flaps are controlled by one lever.

[56RAF_Roblex]

43 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

 

It works this way, because both sets of upper flaps are controlled by one lever.

 

Correct. If your TrackIR ir whatever allows it then look down the right hand side of your seat while operating the inlet cowl flaps.  You will see a small lever moving.   Alternatively jump to 5:25 in this video  

 

[Pharoah]

hi guys

I'm still getting massive shaking when i take off AND i know the cowl flaps are at 0. What could be causing this?

[JtD]

Are you sure you have the INLET flaps closed? They are on top of the engine nacelles.

[Pharoah]

oh ok so they must have a separate binding. I think i've only bound the cowl flaps. Will have a look.

 

*edit*

yes that was it, thank you so much. 

Edited April 22, 2018 by [ASOR]Pharoah

[danielprates]

6 hours ago, [ASOR]Pharoah said:

oh ok so they must have a separate binding. I think i've only bound the cowl flaps. Will have a look.

 

*edit*

yes that was it, thank you so much. 

 

I too had to fiddle around with the key bindings after the update. For comfort's sake, I like to have some different things set to the same key or button. Say, elevator trims and the german stabilizers for instance: it makes no difference if you set all of them to the same joystick button. The way I had some cowl flaps and shutters set to the same key worked fine before,as t here was no conflict of interests so to speak, but when this inlet\outlet A20 situation appeared, I had to rearrange them somewhat. It eventually worked fine after some fiddling. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Since the 3.001 update I have been having a minor issue with various engine settings on the A20.  

 

With both engines selected ( I have a key bind on my CH Pro throttle that toggles select all engines) sometimes I will have the outlet shutters, or mix, or prop pitch, or throttle setting become de-synchronized between the two engines.  The only way to fix it is to deselect both engines, pull whatever control is off down to zero, then re-select both engines and move back to the original setting.

Only happens on the A20.

 

[56RAF_Roblex]

1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Since the 3.001 update I have been having a minor issue with various engine settings on the A20.  

 

With both engines selected ( I have a key bind on my CH Pro throttle that toggles select all engines) sometimes I will have the outlet shutters, or mix, or prop pitch, or throttle setting become de-synchronized between the two engines.  The only way to fix it is to deselect both engines, pull whatever control is off down to zero, then re-select both engines and move back to the original setting.

Only happens on the A20.

 

 

I know the A20 has issues with some controls not being synched unless you use the 'Both Engines' key binding rather than 'Engine 1' + 'Engine 2'

 

In all other multi-engine aircraft Selecting Engine 1 then selecting engine 2 is exactly the same as selecting 'Both Engines'  but for the A20 they decided to be pedantic about the cases where one lever affected both engines eg the Inlet shutters.