Are you a LaGG pilot?

[Fifi]

Hi,

 

At this state of game, i've really hard time to be a Lagg fighter pilot.

Take off, landings, all normal manoeuvres are very fine, but as soon as i start a 1VS1 dogfight ... plane is doing everything but what i want

I don't even remember beeing that lost in previous version   Did something changed??

I try to be gentle on stick to avoid unexpected stalls, but no very convincing results. Doing so, 109 is very quickly behind me, and...

It's not even spins, it's about very nasty speed stalls where i'm loosing all controls, plane nose down, and end tasting the Russian snow.

Furthermore, i tried to dogfight with rockets; what a bad idea! It's even worst!

Quite frustrating for me actually, and if it was for real, i'd certainly refuse to fly such plane 

 

So i'm going to leave my Lagg in the hangar, until i could try it again with a fonctional trim at least.

Having the stick constantly half way pushed might not help me with the pretty strong Warthog stick.

And BOS planes commands are so sensible any speed...half pushed stick to fly straight isn't good.

 

Waiting for the next year now, in only few hours here, i wish you all an excellent new year's eve!

May 2014 bring plenty BOS improvments.

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY!!!

 

[Kleinburger]

The more I fly the Lagg-3 the more I love it where as with the 109 I'm starting to hate it more and more. The 109 to me feels dainty and feminine(nothing wrong with that just not my cup of tea) where as the Lagg-3 feels like big strong Russian bear(maneuvers like one too  ). 

Edited December 31, 2013 by Kleinburger

[taffy2jeffmorgan]

I think I shall be going to war with the Luftwaffe, Lagg by name and Lagg nature!!!. It's like driving a truck !!!  if a 109 does not make a head on pass, you have not a hope in hell of getting anywhere near him to get in a shot !!!

 

The 109 circles above and every time you slightly lift the nose of the Lagg ,she slides off in a spin !!!    If there are any Lagg aces out there I would like to shake your hand ?[ only George Washington's need apply !!! ]

 

And as was said by Fifi, no means of trimming the beast, so after only a short flight i'm knackered ? could have been better off with the I-16 Rata ?

 

Happy new year from Australia!!!                                             Cheers. JM.

[=38=Tatarenko]

Reduce fuel to 50, makes a big difference.

[ll./JG77_JadeBandit]

 

_{I think the Lagg will be decent at ground attack and that 37mm cannon with rockets should handle bombers well. I'm awful in it in a dog fight, but I can still see using it when missions and objectives are added.} 

 

 

_{P.S. Sorry the font is all messed up when I try to type, I've had to edit this twice now.}

Edited December 31, 2013 by ScottyOnTheSpot

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

I struggle with the Lagg too, but I am going to learn how to fly this dump truck! Flying in circles until the 109 climbs and goes for the HO works a little bit.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 I fly both.

[Cheesepilot]

I thought it was just me,it flies aswell as a brick!!!

Im going to stick with it though and try to get to grips with it.

 

Cheese

[Quax]

Fifi,  try a lead pull up at merge and hope there is a novice in the 109.  

 

 

 

Happy New Year to the other side of the world

[Finkeren]

I've flown the LaGG almost exclusively. In the Bf-109 it took all of three dogfights to become almost invincible, after which I more or less left it in the hangar only revisiting ocasionally.

 

The 109 is fun as a fighter-bomber, but it's just too simple to fly and too superior in performance to the LaGG to be interesting as a dogfighter.

 

In the release version I'll propably fly VVS 75% of the time, though I can see myself spending more time with the Yak than with its heavier colleage. The LaGG-3 will propably be my least favourite of the VVS crowd with the IL-2, Yak and Pe-2 fighting hard for the top spot.

[dburne]

Yes I struggle with the Lagg while dogfighting as well.

 

I typically would only fly for the Allied side so when I first got the opportunity to join in on the early access that is what I chose to fly.

Man it is I a handful, reluctantly I decided to give the 109 a try on the second opportunity to join in, and certainly found it much easier to participate in the dogfight missions.

 

I now am using the Lagg for ground strike missions, practicing my bombing and strafing, and the 109 for the dogfights.

[II./JG27_Rich]

The more I fly the Lagg-3 the more I love it where as with the 109 I'm starting to hate it more and more. The 109 to me feels dainty and feminine(nothing wrong with that just not my cup of tea) where as the Lagg-3 feels like big strong Russian bear(maneuvers like one too  ). 

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Wow Kevin Bacon has let himself slip

[Feathered_IV]

That's his mum

[=LD=Hethwill]

Salute and may you all have the best Lagg3 2014.

[Fragal]

109 all the way it's just so easy even with the 20mm gunpods on there just doesn't seem to be any challenge in fighting the ai laggs atm i shall definitely be starting my war with the frederich as well.

Not discounting it yet though i actually can't wait for mp and to see what the talented peeps of online dogfighting will be able to do with the lagg it may surprise everyone yet.

[DD_Arthur]

I've flown the LaGG almost exclusively. In the Bf-109 it took all of three dogfights to become almost invincible, after which I more or less left it in the hangar only revisiting ocasionally.

 

The 109 is fun as a fighter-bomber, but it's just too simple to fly and too superior in performance to the LaGG to be interesting as a dogfighter.

 

 

 That's been my experience too.  '109 is just point and squirt.....and that's it.  I find the LaGG much more interesting and much more of a challenge to fly and fight in.

[Georgio]

I like the LaGG purely because it is more difficult to fly; the 109 is just too easy.

 

f you're flying dogfight missions with the LaGG try and gain as much height as possible before flying over the target area and drag the 109 high to get it slow before pouncing. Try not to turn with the 109 but extend smooth and straight to gain height again before attacking again.

When you have the 109 in your sights use both the guns and cannon for a knock out blow, you want them taken out as quickly as possible but with little risk to yourself.

[BeastyBaiter]

I prefer the LaGG-3, it's a more versatile plane and has far superior overall handling characteristics (ignoring the lack of trim). It is a bit under powered, but that's easy enough to deal with.

 

Edit: With that said, I won't be flying it in MP until the crazy pitch up tendency is corrected. It cannot be flown competitively in its current state. I have serious doubts trim will be enough to compensate but perhaps they made the "default" position full up or something silly, in which case full down might make it ok. I don't like saying such things this early on, but I also come from RoF and there are a few planes there (like Se-5a) that require basically full down stick all the time and that particular plane has an adjustable stab just like the 109 here does. So although the FM's they make have a great feel, they unfortunately take some of the engineering data a little too literally, failing to adjust for the game engine being a simulation and not the real thing.

Edited December 31, 2013 by =LD=King_Hrothgar

[DB605]

I fly almost solely 109, and will do so even late war when there is better machines available. Because i love it.

[IonicRipper]

I love flying the LaGG, its more of a challenge and feels more rewarding. The 109 feels so easy its almost boring.

[Volkoff]

I  am a LaGG-3 sim pilot and a big fan of the LaGG-3, even though it is outright inferior to thE BF-109F-4, Fifi. Still, I feel it is only a matter of time before I am a La-5 fanboi. The early La-5 is the evolution of the  LaGG-3 and will probably be superior to the LaGG-3 in every way. As good as the Yak-1 may be, I doubt that the Yak-1 Series 69 will be better than the La-5 in most areas of performance and will probably be far less durable. I want a challenge, but I am also a newbie to WW2 multiplayer. I am going to be up against guys and gals with decades of WWII flight sim experience, many of these individuals specializing in Axis rides. It took me years before I could use a relatively inferior plane in ROF multiplayer and usually come out on top, except against the guys and gals with better skill or experience. The La-5 is going to be inferior to all the Axis rides, but superior or equal to all the VVS rides. Even if I only used the La-5 in multiplayer, I would still always be using the relatively inferior ride, unless Romanian or Italian planes are introduced into multiplayer. I will probaby lose more times than I win, even with the La-5, in the first year or so, especially since I have no WWII multiplayer experience and many of my opponents have lots of experience. I think that even with trim, when it comes to simming on the VVS side, we will probably both prefer the La-5, be sufficiently challenged by the La-5, and better off using the La-5, whenever we can, at least for the first year or two, Fifi.  MJ

Edited December 31, 2013 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[von_Tom]

109 all the way for me because I like it and I really don't like the VVS crates, pretty though the later Yaks are.

 

I'll be flying the entirety of the VVS campaign though just to get used to the planes - best way to know your opponent and it's more fun evening up the numbers in DF servers. I expect most will be flying LW.

 

Hood

 

ps and the FW190 takes precedence over the 109 for me.

Edited December 31, 2013 by Hood

[303_Kwiatek]

Actually i found that Lagg3 in BOS is more difficult to handle then P-51 in DCS regarding stall characteristic ( DCS P-51 is known from diffcult to fly at angle fight ). I think it shouldn't be the case. Lagg 3 had better wing airfoil for dogfight  ( Clark Y if i remember correctly ) - more lift wing and more gentle stall at critical angle of attack but also Lagg3 was lower wing loading plane.

Edited December 31, 2013 by Kwiatek

[DD_fruitbat]

Bf109 = noob plane

[Little_Finger]

I started flying the Lagg in il2 PF because everyone went for the 109.

Lets face it: if you could dogfight yourself (109 vs Lagg) the russian plane doesnt stand a chance. The 109 is a far superior plane in every aspect. Superior speed and climb rate dictates everything.

Altough, winning a multiplayer dogfight in a Lagg against the 109 is a great felling. You must to be clever and use team tactics to do it. It rises the simulation to another level, not understood by some.

It all stands in the challenge that you really want to accept. Can be a frustrating experience in the beginning, but if you allow, you will learn a lot about flying and fighting and you will make less mistakes. You will become better.

 

Happy new year to all of you!

77

[Volkoff]

Thank goodness my LaGG-3 comes with a nifty parachute. Every time I end up in my chute, watching my burning LaGG-3 head for the ground, I think of Star Trek III: The Search for Spock.  

 

 

 

Edited December 31, 2013 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[Bando]

LOL, you made me spill my coffee.

Man!!!!

[Fifi]

 Try not to turn with the 109 but extend smooth and straight to gain height again before attacking again.

 

 

That's one of my problems in the game current state...and you have probably nailed it.

I DO try to turn with 109, even as fast as i can because of my spotting problem! (see other thread). That's an obvious error...

So, i'm so afraid to loose 109 sight, it push me to do not fly the Lagg properly...

I realised flying with labels on, my Lagg skill is better VS 109. I have more time to make my manoeuvres without loosing the ennemy, hence i fly better without the hurry i feel without labels.

+ the trim problem actually. 

 

 

Actually i found that Lagg3 in BOS is more difficult to handle then P-51 in DCS regarding stall characteristic ( DCS P-51 is known from diffcult to fly at angle fight ). I think it shouldn't be the case. Lagg 3 had better wing airfoil for dogfight  ( Clark Y if i remember correctly ) - more lift wing and more gentle stall at critical angle of attack but also Lagg3 was lower wing loading plane.

 

Yes, i feel that too. The Lagg is more prone to stalls, hands down.

 

 

I love flying the LaGG, its more of a challenge and feels more rewarding. The 109 feels so easy its almost boring.

 

That pretty resume the actual situation.

Everybody agree 109 is VERY easy.

 

 

 Still, I feel it is only a matter of time before I am a La-5 fanboi.   

 

Can't wait to try this one too! 

I hope 777 will spot the difference it could have VS actual Lagg3 

Edited January 1, 2014 by Fifi

[dburne]

I am actually getting much better with the Lagg, at least as a ground attack machine.

Have gotten to where I can fly the ground attack mission with labels and all off, full realism, and have good success returning safely.

 

Man though sometimes I have a hard time spotting that runway I am to return to from a distance... everything kind of blends in with the snow not that far out...

[Rigsby]

Thank goodness my LaGG-3 comes with a nifty parachute. Every time I end up in my chute, watching my burning LaGG-3 head for the ground, I think of Star Trek III: The Search for Spock.  

 

 

 

 

Now all we need is the Starship Enterprise to take on the 109.

[Eagle-OnePirabee]

109 boring? Really I think not. Or should I rather say, maybe you find it so 'cause you ain't stuck with my controller or then have to use the keyboard for rudder especially at take-off. I am only just managing to get airborne in one piece in the Messerschmitt. At first I battled with the vicious swings, then the last portion of my take off roll was on the snow, but finally I think Ive put it all together.

 

Theres also the sudden stalls when snatching back on the stick. Or how about combatting the lack of trim. Landing is another ball game entirely and a course of study I'm gradually warming up to.

 

All of which makes the 109 hardly boring a combat mount for me.

[dburne]

109 boring? Really I think not. Or should I rather say, maybe you find it so 'cause you ain't stuck with my controller or then have to use the keyboard for rudder especially at take-off. I am only just managing to get airborne in one piece in the Messerschmitt. At first I battled with the vicious swings, then the last portion of my take off roll was on the snow, but finally I think Ive put it all together.

 

Theres also the sudden stalls when snatching back on the stick. Or how about combatting the lack of trim. Landing is another ball game entirely and a course of study I'm gradually warming up to.

 

All of which makes the 109 hardly boring a combat mount for me.

 

Fwiw, you can trim the pitch in the 109 with the horizontal stabilizer adjustment...

[Emgy]

I'm impressed that you are able to take off at all, using keyboard rudder in this sim.

[IonicRipper]

Why would anyone torture themselves like that? Playing a flight sim without a joystick...

 

You know you can get a basic Logitech joystick for around 20$, right?

[II./JG27_Rich]

If you want a girly looking aeroplane you want a Spitfire Not a 109.

 

Edited January 1, 2014 by II./JG27_Rich

[IonicRipper]

I don't see anything "girly" here, I only see works of art.

[RupertVonHentzau]

109 boring? Really I think not. Or should I rather say, maybe you find it so 'cause you ain't stuck with my controller or then have to use the keyboard for rudder especially at take-off. I am only just managing to get airborne in one piece in the Messerschmitt. At first I battled with the vicious swings, then the last portion of my take off roll was on the snow, but finally I think Ive put it all together.

 

Theres also the sudden stalls when snatching back on the stick. Or how about combatting the lack of trim. Landing is another ball game entirely and a course of study I'm gradually warming up to.

 

All of which makes the 109 hardly boring a combat mount for me.

 

I am more than impressed by the struggle described (so similar to mine in the beginning - BUT with joystick ).

EagleOnePirabee deserves a bit of respect for not giving up - instead of the obvious hint to buy a cheap joystick, friends.

 

And, yes, horizontal stabilizer adjustment was a good advice for me.

[Le_Garson_De_Pisse]

 maybe you find it so 'cause you ain't stuck with my controller or then have to use the keyboard for rudder especially at take-off.

 

 

Nice     Same here...

 

On the stick side, I purchased an HOTAS Warthog... awesome piece of machinery, should I say. But I still got no pedals, so I am forced to operate the rudder via keyboard.

 

Now, I must say that trying to take off the Lagg, compensating its deviation with the keyboard, is quite an utterly stressing (if somewhat fun) feat.

 

And then one day comes, when you're able to take off while still aligned on the concrete. Lo and Behold ! Then you suddenly realize the fact that your rudder is severely trimmed to the right (and it will keep that way if you do not compensate it) ,so you've got about a couple of seconds left to remind this little detail and run for your keyboard....  because if you fail to do so, the very third second you get airborne, your Lagg collapses to the right and you go visiting the russian snow.

 

I'm not in a hurry, since we're still some time away from BoS' completion, but I guess next week or so I'm going for a little shopping... let's say, some of these: https://flypfc.com/?/products/rudder-pedals/cirrus-rudder-pedals-boeing-style/

[Bando]

I'd go for one of these:

 

http://mfg.simundza.com/mfgcrosswind.php