Buttkicker gamer 2 with Ouculs Rift anyone?

[SCG_motoadve]

I wanted the Jetseat, but since it has no support , I am going to pass.

Buttkicker its independent and basically does not need support from the developer, probably not as good as Jetseat with USB support, but pretty good from what I have seen in videos.

 

With Oculus Rif headset does anyone has Buttkicker working in IL2 BOS?If so , how do you like it?

 

I think I am not alone here and many want more feedback when using VR to make it more immersive.

[Wolf8312]

I dont understand as I mentioned in the jetseat thread I recently made, the gametrix jetseat can be used with BOS in sound mode with no problems and is fantastic. Not as good as USB mode but unlike a butt kicker it is silent which means you won't wake your neighbors or any small children!  Do you mean to say you're not able to get the jetseat to work specifically with the rift headphones? To be honest I am not sure if I would be able to get it to work with Vive headphones either and had to buy new headphones. Big problem with anything noisy is you will only be able to play at certain times unless you live alone and needn't worry about waking people up!

Edited March 10, 2018 by Wolf8312

[SCG_motoadve]

Buttkicker (does not has a speaker per se)The only noise is the vibration with Buttkicker, which I think you wont hear if you are wearing Oculus Rift headsets, you will feel it, it transfers the low frequencies to the vibrating unit that attaches to the seat, so it should feel different when firing guns, cannons, engine power, flak instead of a constant rumble.

Iam hoping it works.

Maybe it will end up being a constant rumble because the engine sounds cancels the effects of the rest, hope not.

 

 

 

[Wolf8312]

It might! Ask other people (which is what you're doing lol) cause one thing I have noticed is that the jetseat does actually have different vibrations for different sounds that hit in different parts of the seat, and seem to have differing vibration levels (bombs etc), but the engine I think is so constant and overwhelming that it drowns all of them out. 

 

Anyway man haven't got a BK, not trying to rain on your parade! I nearly bought one myself but I heard people say they were noisy and that their neighbors could hear them and things like that! I think it moves the chair so the chair is vibrating on the floor perhaps!  I'll have a look on google and see what I can dig up about the separation between different sounds. I would have thought its the same concept for both jetseat and BK.

 

Still just to reiterate I still think bullet vibrations or not you'll still be very happy with it combined with VR, I like the bullet feeling in DCS of course and obviously feeling the gears coming down is not just cool but actually useful so I can see why you'd want to go that route if it works better. 

Edited March 10, 2018 by Wolf8312

[Wolf8312]

Ah so from what I understand you need a separate sound card if you want either of these two devices to work with separate vibrations. So I dont think either will work without another sound card but you can buy a USB type device I think. Not 100 percent sure about that, or how I would get it to work but I think that's what you would need.

[SCG_motoadve]

Thanks Wolf, I will post the results, either good or bad.

[BP_Lizard]

I use the HTC Vive with a BK Gamer 2. The amplifier broke down recently. There was no signal going through the transducer. But BK’s customer support is really awesome. I contacted them and they will send me a new amp.

Anyway, the main reason why I bought it was to get over my VR motion sickness. It helped me a lot through the sensory disconnect by providing a source of tactile stimulus. But once you’ve tried the BK, it’s really weird flying without it. 

The rumble has distinct levels of intensity. Different from the motor, to the guns, to the cannons, to the ground vibration, etc. 

I use a separate set of headphones so I don’t know if it’ll work with the Rift’s USB headphones tho.

As for the rattle problem, this can be remedied by opening the cap of the transducer and inserting a piece of foam on the inside of the cap. 

[Guest deleted@134347]

i have a buttkicker as well, but i couldn't buy the actual amp+transducer together as they were out of stoke for a while. So I just bought as separate bass amplifier for 100$ and added a basic 180w shaker for ~$80 I think.

 

With Rift it's an easy set-up.

1) in windows OS make sure your internal sound card is set to default sound card, i.e. Rift should NOT be selected

2) in Oculus device settings (for the actual head unit) select Sound thru Rift headphones, then check the 'mirror to system sound card'.

 

The added immersion is extremely positive.

- On take offs the shaker shakes/vibrates like crazy, as soon as the landing gear loses contact with the ground things quiet down.

- Shooting big guns adds sub-base rumble, it's very distinctive

- in dog fights if you manage to down the foe and it's close to the ground, the whole seat jumps up when the baddie hits the ground

- any kind of a shock-wave explosion adds more short rumbles to the shaker..

etc etc..

 

[BlueHeron]

+1 for Buttkicker Gamer 2!!

 

1. The vibrations are very distinct and accurate in relation to what's happening in the game, especially in BOS

2. It makes very little sound.  If it's noisy there's something very wrong with your setup!

3. It's a whole new level of immersion that I can't do without anymore

4. As BP_Lizard mentions it neutralizes any motion sickness you might have with VR headsets

 

I even started using Buttkicker with The Witcher 3, which has excellent sound design.  I'm driving it with the SoundBlaster Z dedicated sound card.

[SCG_motoadve]

I cant wait to get it.

The edge of my seat touches the base of the joystick, so I think it will translate some of the vibration to the joystick, a bit less maybe , but I hope it does.

 

[DD_Crash]

 

[BlueHeron]

18 hours ago, II./JG77_motoadve said:

I cant wait to get it.

The edge of my seat touches the base of the joystick, so I think it will translate some of the vibration to the joystick, a bit less maybe , but I hope it does.

 

It will not.  My stick used to touch the edge of my seat and now it is mounted directly to the chair piston.  In each case, there is no vibration at all in the stick.  All that energy goes straight to your butt!    (and your back).

[MacLeod]

On 3/10/2018 at 6:31 PM, Wolf8312 said:

Ah so from what I understand you need a separate sound card if you want either of these two devices to work with separate vibrations. So I dont think either will work without another sound card but you can buy a USB type device I think. Not 100 percent sure about that, or how I would get it to work but I think that's what you would need.

 

So, you are telling me that jetseat works with BOX? Do you have it? Do you recommend it?

 

Man, I didn't know that!!! Getting excited!

Edited March 13, 2018 by MacLeod

[Raban]

Simmilar to moosya, I built my own setup with a cheap bass amp (30€) and 2 cheap 100W Bodyshaker speakers (14€ each on amazon) mounted below my left and right buttock. 

That's less than 75$, and it works just fine. The added immersion is awesome.

[Wolf8312]

2 hours ago, MacLeod said:

 

So, you are telling me that jetseat works with BOX? Do you have it? Do you recommend it?

 

Man, I didn't know that!!! Getting excited!

 

Well I only have it working in basic sound mode see the link attached. It's not up to the standard of DCS/USB mode as there is only the general engine feeling though having used both USB and basic sound mode, that is IMO by far the most important thing anyhow.

 

However I do plan to get a plug in sound card USB, which would apparently enable me to get all the extras working as well. If you have a jet-seat already though get it hooked up right away as it's far better and more immersive in basic mode, than nothing! 

 

 

[MacLeod]

thank you for the information! I don't but I'm wanting to get one for a long time already and didn't because I thought that it didn't work at all! now it just became my next buy! thank you!

[Guest deleted@134347]

On 3/13/2018 at 11:06 AM, Raban said:

Simmilar to moosya, I built my own setup with a cheap bass amp (30€) and 2 cheap 100W Bodyshaker speakers (14€ each on amazon) mounted below my left and right buttock. 

That's less than 75$, and it works just fine. The added immersion is awesome.

 

hi, Raban,

it's great that you're using two shakers, an interesting setup. Do you feel like the rumble follows a stereo pattern? I only have 1 shaker and was thinking about adding a second one so I can distinguish between left/right wings, especially when getting bounced by the enemy. I don't know about how well Il2 does stereo panning in the bass zone, in the headphones it sounds pretty mono to me...

[JG7_X-Man]

Gametrix Jet Seat on the way!

[fiddlinjim]

I purchased and mounted the Buttkicker on my chair and used it on the 2nd floor of my home.

The chair sat on a heavy rubber pad and on thick carpet and it still annoyed everyone on the first floor.

I had to disconnect and send back and bought a Jetseat, which works well.

If you buy one, make sure you are on the ground level and preferable on a concrete/stone floor.

[brunoidc]

Hello folks,

 

I want to buy a buttkicker gamer 2, but I'm afraid of broking it...

 

I live in a country where there's no Warranty...It's worth the investment? This kind of device broke easily ?

[BroGrimm1tkcamp]

Low frequencies are usually not paned left or right. So there is normally not a lot of stereo. I have a Buttkicker with Vr and love it. You can feel the difference in motor RPM. You can feel the wheels when they leave the ground ........Great immersion!!

[Wolf8312]

I see alot of reviews for the B Kicker 2 saying that the quality is poor and they break easily? Is there another version of a BK with perhaps a better assurance of quality (reveiws etc)? Cause it's actually really expensive if its just going to break!

[JimmySolarium_VR]

...you can build it easy by yourself by using i.e. these parts:

 

Bodyshaker to be mounted under your chair:

https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00AMH17GC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Amplifier to be connected with the shaker and the PC:

https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01N6KLCFH/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

depending on your chair, you need a mounting solution, i used this, works like a charm:

Fischer Amps Bass Shaker Mount

 

 

..gives really nice effects and does not cost a fortune and the shaker is of good quality, the amp gets good reviews too, mine does not have any problems yet...

 

 

Cheers

 

Jimmy "SirCrashalot" Solarium

 

Edited June 6, 2018 by JimmySolarium

[BroGrimm1tkcamp]

I have the buttkicker and love it so far. I thought about putting another shaker on the flight stick, but am worried it would shake it too much and destroy it. I have a virpil mongoose

[SCG_motoadve]

Virpil Moongose here and I have Buttkicker in my seat and another in the stick, they complement very well, love them.

 

No problems with the joystick, I have seen the test they do , there is a video in their website, and the Buttkicker is nothing in comparisson.

[brunoidc]

Hello JimmySolarium

 

Can I build one with regular subwoofer (and use it with SimVibe® software) ?

 

Because the retailers in my region does not sell specific bass shakers.

[JimmySolarium_VR]

To be honest, i cannot realy answer your question, i never tried to build it up with a subwoofer.  I cannot imagine that it works with a regular subwoofer the same amount as with a specific bodyshaker.

 

Amazon does not ship to where you are at? There are other models of shakers available in the i.e. U.S. market?

[Guest deleted@134347]

18 hours ago, brunoidc said:

Hello JimmySolarium

 

Can I build one with regular subwoofer (and use it with SimVibe® software) ?

 

Because the retailers in my region does not sell specific bass shakers.

 

no need for any SimVibe soft.

 

And yes, you can build it with a subwoofer, however you need to make sure the subwoofer goes down to to very low hertz, i.e. in the realm of 10-15hz. I.e. you can't hear it but you simply feel it. My music production sub goes only down to 20hz max and it's a very expensive item.

 

If your sub can go down that low (or even 20hz) you'd also want to add a high pass filter to the setup if you start experiencing the 'drone' sound effect, i.e. a very muddy unpleasant sound. The shaker typically doesn't produce any sound whatsoever, it literally shakes and transmits the energy to whatever it is attached to (chair). A powerful subwoofer also shakes but it also produces audible sound that you can hear, so you'd probably want to cut that off via an aforementioned eq/high pass filter (high fq roll off).

 

Also, you need to physically attach the subwoofer frame to your chair somehow. Just pointing the subwoofer membrane at your chair won't be enough, the low fq waves would simply pass through your chair without affecting it (low fq wave is about 1-1.5 meters long). You need to transmit the shaking of the sub directly via a braket to get the best effect.

 

Or you can follow the DIY route to build your own shaker. Super cheap and just as effective.

 

 

 

Edited June 8, 2018 by moosya

[CF23-LlamaThmpr]

On 6/6/2018 at 9:20 PM, II./JG77_motoadve said:

and another in the stick

 

Hi, just about to get one of these (Buttkicker Gamer 2). How have you mounted this - presumably right at the bottom of the Virpil/VPC extensions? 

Any issues so far?

 

 

Edited November 21, 2018 by CF23-LlamaThmpr

[SCG_motoadve]

Yes that where I mounted it, no issues at all after months of use.

Adds lots of immersion.

[CF23-LlamaThmpr]

Thank you!

[Llama_Thumper]

11 hours ago, II./JG77_motoadve said:

Yes that where I mounted it, no issues at all after months of use.

Adds lots of immersion.

Sorry one more question. What settings do you use on the BK2? Apologies don't have it yet so don't know if there are any ;) 

[SCG_motoadve]

Just turn it up or down to your liking, of how much rumble you want.

You will have a constant vibration, which is the motor of the plane, then when you fire your guns, it increases, also when deploying flaps, landing gear and on touch down.

[BlueHeron]

Just be sure not to turn it up too loud or it will make noise and shake far too much.  Have your Windows volume at about 90% then start with your ButtKicker amplifier volume at zero and work your way up from there.  The vibrations should actually be fairly subtle to feel realistic and immersive. 

 

BTW, now that I have both the ButtKicker and my VKB Gunfighter mounted to my desk chair cylinder, I get some vibration in my stick as well as my chair.  ?

[CF23-LlamaThmpr]

On 11/21/2018 at 10:26 PM, II./JG77_motoadve said:

Yes that where I mounted it.

 

Um, sorry, one more question -  how did you mount it?  The bracket doesn't quite fit around the extension - did you unscrew the red covering cap? 

Edited January 1, 2019 by CF23-LlamaThmpr

[SCG_motoadve]

I did not mounted it directly on the joystick extension, but on the metal bracket that attaches to the table.

[TheSNAFU]

The Buttkicker as has been said is an excellent addition to the simulation. It provides a different feel for different things. Feeling the wheels tuck into the wings and the combination of the vibrations from the engine and headshake on are a couple of my favorites.

 

You feel the aircraft and that’s worth a lot. 

[=SFG=capt_nasties]

Some tips. 

 

Get an amp with a crossover, this helps immensely on BOS.  Tuning on the PC (pc audio card) equalizer did not seem effective in my experience.   Behringer nx1000 dsp is a great amp. 

 

Aura pro shakers are a fantastic deal st $50. 

 

A video on my bass shaker setup.  

 

 

Edited January 6, 2019 by capt_nasties

[-332FG-Gordon200]

Great idea putting a shaker under the pedals. I hadn't thought of that.

My Buttkicker Gamer2 will be delivered Friday and I already have my VKB pedals on a plywood base.

 

It's not necessary to get a separate sound card for VR or USB headsets. This is a step by step tutorial on using Voicemeeter software.

 

 

Edited January 6, 2019 by Gordon200

[=SFG=capt_nasties]

Yeah if u can run a shaker up front adds a lot for sure.  I have a buttkicker advance on my sim racing rig and really like it. Just make sure you hit it with a lot of wattage 

Edited January 7, 2019 by capt_nasties