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I was wondering in the future, is there talk at all of having a toggle button for weapons? I realize we do have separate buttons for armaments ( light machine guns/cannons) but it would be nice to have a way to change (via a single button) to alternate between weapons. (Mostly what comes to mind for this feature is the p-39 as the cannon has a wildly different velocity than 12.7s or 7.62s)

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It depends on the AC. The firing buttons, thusfar, have been set their historic norms. For example; we don't have the Fw190 separating inboard cannon from MG on button 1, while it has been in other titles . If you are asking for something similar, I find it unlikely.

 

I'm not a P39 afficiando so I'm not sure how the various guns are controlled in real life (yet).

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9 minutes ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

It depends on the AC. The firing buttons, thusfar, have been set their historic norms. For example; we don't have the Fw190 separating inboard cannon from MG on button 1, while it has been in other titles . If you are asking for something similar, I find it unlikely.

 

I'm not a P39 afficiando so I'm not sure how the various guns are controlled in real life (yet).

(At least to my knowledge) there was a electronic control panel, where you could change whether or not the cannon was firing or the smaller mgs were. 

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I'm pretty sure firing the gunpod on the Hs-129 didn't fire the machine guns as well.

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The early versions of the in-game Fw had the MG's and cannon on separate buttons. It was corrected later, I believe with some user input. If the Hs129 is incorrect, let Han know in the proper format by PM. This team is pretty receptive when things are documented properly. The major caveat to that is they are a small team on a tight schedule and budget. They are, therefore, not overly nimble. Once a flaw has been acknowledged, changes are rarely over night.

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55 minutes ago, angus26 said:

(At least to my knowledge) there was a electronic control panel, where you could change whether or not the cannon was firing or the smaller mgs were. 

 

That's correct as far as i know, if you are speaking about the FW-190 (?). So something like what you me mentioned in the first post would be accurate as an in-game feature in that case. You can't do that right now and i don't think devs will bother with such small details in the near future, which is reasonable to be honest.

Edit: maybe you were refering to the Kobra, i have zero knowledge on that plane.

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1 minute ago, rolikiraly said:

That's correct as far as i know, if you are speaking about the FW-190 (?). So something like what you me mentioned in the first post would be accurate as an in-game feature in that case. You can't do that right now and i don't think devs will bother with such small details in the near future, which is reasonable to be honest.

I was referring to the p-39, im not very familiar with the fw 190 too much

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1 hour ago, angus26 said:

 I realize we do have separate buttons for armaments ( light machine guns/cannons) but it would be nice to have a way to change (via a single button) to alternate between weapons. (Mostly what comes to mind for this feature is the p-39 as the cannon has a wildly different velocity than 12.7s or 7.62s)

 

Actually you have 3 options for set fire guns:

 

- Fire all guns
- Fire weapon group 1 (machine guns)
- Fire weapon group 2 (cannons)

 

Using two joy buttons for the last two options allow fire only MG's, only Cannons and both - by pressing the two buttons simultaneous, but  happens is that most people are done this in "wrong way" using an wrong fire button for WW2 planes, the dual stage trigger in the common "F-16'ish" grips, what 1st stage was intend for operate cameras and not MG's. 

 

In WW2 planes only some variations of Fw 190 and Bf 109 has cowl machine guns and  2 cannons cannons wired in the same grip button, the other cannons are set in 2nd button -  and this operation is not "toggleable" by pilot.

 

Of course if you are talking about "gameplay" concession is another story. :)

 

 

 

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P-39_L-1.jpg

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/P-39/P-39K-1_L1_Operating_Instructions.pdf

 

P-39 L-1 B-(?) grip has two fire buttons, trigger (2) labeled machine guns and under thumb button  (1) labeled cannon.

 

All weapons .30, .50 machine guns, cannon and camera can be switched ON/OFF - for safety reasons, see the note about landing, by toggle switches indicated by 21.

 

Although the "gun" in text could by interpreted in different ways, suggest that refer to machined guns and pilot can opt in fire - by pressing trigger (2) only .30 or only .50 or both machine guns by turn the toggle switches (21) ON or OFF.

 

The presence of dedicated button (1) for cannon, suggest that trigger (2)  is not wired for fire cannon, what if done will make the button (1) redundant.

 

 

 

 

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The P40' dashboard, in the lower-right panel has on/off switches for inner pair and outer pairs of 50 cals. Hopefully, in the future they will become controllable...

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We do need a better toggle system as the Hs-129 does have a switch that toggled through its many weapons (you can see it on the left of the flightstick) and the devs did say they were going to do this for 3.001 but whether they actually do it, or remembered that this is needed for some planes with all the work they have is another story. 

 

The fact that some planes have hardwired multitrigger like the fw190 which must fire all main guns at once is a different story. The hs-129 actually needs it historically and can't function properly without it. The bf110 G2 I'm unfamiliar with, but I'm sure they didn't have it set to waste 20mm when firing the big boiiii. 

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Again, it was possible on the FW-190 to select any pair of guns to fire separately. If there there was such a feature in-game, it should be the first to have it :)

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6 minutes ago, rolikiraly said:

Again, it was possible on the FW-190 to select any pair of guns to fire separately.

 

Not with the models simulated by the game. That feature went away after the A-2.

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So from what it seems, the p-39 while it had a weapon selection panel, it was meant for controlling (and safety) either the 7.62s or 12.7s and not the main cannon (because of its separate button) but it seems that other aircraft (hs129/ 190) had a toggleable way of controlling the weapons. 

 

 

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On my Virpil stick, I just use the main trigger for machine guns, and my flip down trigger for the cannons. I prefer to have those fired separately.

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17 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Not with the models simulated by the game. That feature went away after the A-2.

 

Sure? I've read it in what is supposed to be the Hungarian translation of the British report on Faber's captured plane, which was an A-3. Also, i think we have switches with labels referring to the guns on the right cockpit panel in-game.

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18 minutes ago, rolikiraly said:

 

Sure? I've read it in what is supposed to be the Hungarian translation of the British report on Faber's captured plane, which was an A-3. Also, i think we have switches with labels referring to the guns on the right cockpit panel in-game.

 

I'm certain. Perhaps some early A-3s had that option, but the later ones definitely didn't. Even on the D-9 model, one trigger fired all the armament at the same time.

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4 hours ago, GridiroN said:

The bf110 G2 I'm unfamiliar with, but I'm sure they didn't have it set to waste 20mm when firing the big boiiii. 

If you are talking about the 37mm gun, there were no 20mm guns on board, when the 37mm gunpod was under the fuselage, as the 20mm guns in the Bf110 were located, were the top of the 37mm and its ammunition were located.

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On 09/03/2018 at 5:20 PM, GridiroN said:

We do need a better toggle system as the Hs-129 does have a switch that toggled through its many weapons (you can see it on the left of the flightstick) and the devs did say they were going to do this for 3.001 but whether they actually do it, or remembered that this is needed for some planes with all the work they have is another story. 

 

The fact that some planes have hardwired multitrigger like the fw190 which must fire all main guns at once is a different story. The hs-129 actually needs it historically and can't function properly without it. The bf110 G2 I'm unfamiliar with, but I'm sure they didn't have it set to waste 20mm when firing the big boiiii. 

 

KG-14 grip used in HS 129 , Me 210, Me 410 and in some early Fw 190* (but alleged pilots considered trigger heavy to operate and was replaced by KG13-B) has 3 positions selector for trigger:

 

KG-14.jpg

 

1 Gr - Left side button of grip unocked for fire a group of weapons (?)

2 Gr - Right side button of grip unlocked fire another group of weapons (?)

Alle - Both buttons unlocked for fire.

 

Besides the B1 Knopf on top of grip and Ft Knopf on lower grip ("pinky") for PTT.


HS 129 really need a in game selector for trigger for replicate KG-14 this operation. :)

 

* See here in Fw 190 A-3 (?)

 

JSJ_Focke_Wulf_Fw_190_Cockpit.jpg

 

http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.com/Flugzeuge/Jeager/Fw190A3/cockpit/Fw190A3Cockpit.htm

https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/1-72-fw-190a-3a-aircraft-in-foreign-service-wwii.39205/#post-1077066

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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51 minutes ago, Sokol1 said:

 

KG-14 grip used in HS 129 , Me 210, Me 410 and in some early Fw 190* (but alleged pilots considered trigger heavy to operate and was replaced by KG13-B) has 3 positions selector for trigger:

 

KG-14.jpg

 

1 Gr - Left side button of grip unocked for fire a group of weapons (?)

2 Gr - Right side button of grip unlocked fire another group of weapons (?)

Alle - Both buttons unlocked for fire.

 

Besides the B1 Knopf on top of grip and Ft Knopf on lower grip ("pinky") for PTT.


HS 129 really need a in game selector for trigger for replicate KG-14 this operation. :)

 

* See here in Fw 190 A-3 (?)

 

JSJ_Focke_Wulf_Fw_190_Cockpit.jpg

 

http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.com/Flugzeuge/Jeager/Fw190A3/cockpit/Fw190A3Cockpit.htm

https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/1-72-fw-190a-3a-aircraft-in-foreign-service-wwii.39205/#post-1077066

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh man. I hope the VKB metal KG-12 grip has such a lever. I've been missing my dual stage trigger on my previous stick ever since I switched to VKB Gladiator.

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56 minutes ago, Sokol1 said:

HS 129 really need a in game selector for trigger for replicate KG-14 this operation. :)

 

Apparently the Tempest also had a way to select how many cannons were fired with the trigger, so it would have a function there as well.

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