Crash land then strafed and killed

[CanadaOne]

I'm not sure there is virtue anywhere in this game other than for those who built it by putting in a hard day's work.

[Guest deleted@83466]

In the context of our video game, chute shooting is one of the ultimate ways of saying 'F You' to someone, without actually typing it into the chat.  It adds insult to injury.  Therefore, I don't recommend that anybody make a habit of it, and certainly don't do it with your friends, or even people you are neutral towards, because you are essentially giving them the middle finger.  Needless to say, if you are dealing with one of those chronic whiners, a gloating trash-talker, or a kamikaze vulchure type, it might very well be completely appropriate to send that message.

[CanadaOne]

For the sake of Joe Pilot's virtual honour in his virtual airplane full of machine guns and cannons and rockets and bombs, may we have a definitive list, please, of all possible actions he may undertake that are considered unladylike? Joe wishes to avoid those actions and does not wish to spoil the mood of the party.

 

"No strafing, Mr. Grumples!"

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

When do you normally play online, Canada One?

[CanadaOne]

When do you normally play online, Canada One?

 

I haven't played BOX online yet. My online time was in Il2 and sims before that.

 

But if there is some particular "moral quality" to BOX that separates it from other combat flightsims, I would be very interested in hearing about it.

[Trooper117]

Please do not hurt me if I bail out or have a nasty forced landing... I am a nice pilot!

 

[OrLoK]

I haven't played BOX online yet. My online time was in Il2 and sims before that.

 

But if there is some particular "moral quality" to BOX that separates it from other combat flightsims, I would be very interested in hearing about it.

You're just a meany!

[Guest deleted@83466]

I haven't played BOX online yet. My online time was in Il2 and sims before that.

 

But if there is some particular "moral quality" to BOX that separates it from other combat flightsims, I would be very interested in hearing about it.

 

Depends whether your goal is to have fun playing an online video game with a regular 'community', or if your primary goal is to piss people off and troll them.  btw, I already knew that you are an offline-only player who has a well known history of lecturing people who actually play online about server etiquette...my question was purely rhetorical. 

Edited February 26, 2018 by Iceworm

[CanadaOne]

You're just a meany!

 

Rubbish! I'm a lovely person.   

[CanadaOne]

Depends whether your goal is to have fun playing an online video game with a regular 'community', or if your primary goal is to piss people off and troll them.  btw, I already knew that you are an offline-only player who has a tendency to lecture people who actually play online about server etiquette...my question was purely rhetorical.

 

If memory serves, I have never mowed a chute. But if someone did it to me, I'd probably laugh, utter something like "Aw man!", and then get in another plane and go after the guy. It's a game and when you lose, you play again. But I sure as shoot wouldn't go full snowflake and get all puffy and indignant about it.

 

And I'm not lecturing anyone. I'm stating my opinion, just like you do and just like everyone else here does. Whether my opinion is right or wrong, who knows. But no one has to read it or respond to it. Free will and self-control, baby! it's a beautiful thing.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Once on TAW, when I was flying a 109 G2, I was jumped by a pilot in Spitfire. After ~5 minutes I managed to shoot him down, and since we were on TAW, where pilot kills results in victory, I shot his schute down. For next five hours I felt like a complete dick for abandoning my honor. Never done this again.

I have a similar story from early access days. It's douchey and I felt appropriately douchey. Just don't do it............................

[Aap]

In a way it is a good feature on TAW - it enables us to separate the wheat from the chaff and the topic even lures trolls out of their caves.

[Guest deleted@83466]

If memory serves, I have never mowed a chute. But if someone did it to me, I'd probably laugh, utter something like "Aw man!", and then get in another plane and go after the guy. It's a game and when you lose, you play again. But I sure as shoot wouldn't go full snowflake and get all puffy and indignant about it.

 

And I'm not lecturing anyone. I'm stating my opinion, just like you do and just like everyone else here does. Whether my opinion is right or wrong, who knows. But no one has to read it or respond to it. Free will and self-control, baby! it's a beautiful thing.

 

Thanks for your advice on how people should feel about the things that happen in an online environment...I'm on Wings of Liberty almost every night.  See you there, man...or NOT.

Edited February 26, 2018 by Iceworm

[CanadaOne]

Using the word "troll" is tantamount to intellectual cowardice. It's a cheap way to try and shut down conversation so you don't have to hear opinions you don't like.

 

If you don't want to read opinions that differ from your own, then you should exercise self-control and not read those opinions. If you lack self-control, you should not the on the internet in the first place.

Thanks for your advice on how people should "feel" about the things that happen in an online environment...I'm on Wings of Liberty almost every night.  See you there, man...or NOT.

 

As soon as I up my flying skills, I think I may just fly there.

 

Let me know what your call sign is, and please give me a list of all the unladylike combat maneuvers you wish to be safe from. I do not wish to offend.

[Guest deleted@83466]

Using the word "troll" is tantamount to intellectual cowardice. It's a cheap way to try and shut down conversation so you don't have to hear opinions you don't like.

 

If you don't want to read opinions that differ from your own, then you should exercise self-control and not read those opinions. If you lack self-control, you should not the on the internet in the first place.

 

Did I call you a troll?  I believe I said that if one's goal  "is to piss people off and troll them", then by all means, go ahead, pay no attention to 'etiquette' and behave like a jerk in a multiplayer environment...see where that gets you.

 

You seem to quite enjoy using the term "snowflake", a rather charged term that says a lot about where you are coming from...honestly, after reading months of your writings here on this forum, I think I understand perfectly the reason why you don't play online.

Edited February 26, 2018 by Iceworm

[wtornado]

One thing is for sure and that is that you can wreck a pilot's day that is flying with DID rules

on the TAW server buy hitting his chute or ground strafing him 

[CanadaOne]

Did I call you a troll?  I believe I said that if one's goal  "is to piss people off and troll them", then by all means, go ahead, pay no attention to 'etiquette' and behave like a jerk in a multiplayer environment...see where that gets you.

 

That was not addressed to you. The post to you was included below that statement. The way the forum works just lumped them together.

 

Apologies if you thought it was aimed at you.

[BlitzPig_EL]

I have only done it for two reasons...

 

1:  If I was shot in my chute first.  This happened in the old IL2 with some frequency, especially if the 303 boys were on a server.

 

2:  If the Pigs were flying against each other on our own private matches, to which much hilarity ensued on comms.

And yes, I said hilarity.   We are all adults and are cognizant of the fact that this is all just pixels on a computer screen.  No Pigs were actually harmed in the making of this online entertainment.

[Aap]

 

 

Using the word "troll" is tantamount to intellectual cowardice.

 

So what is the correct and uncowardly word for a troll then nowodays?

 

 

 

It's a cheap way to try and shut down conversation so you don't have to hear opinions you don't like.

 

Posting snowflake images, teddy bear images and otherwise trying to stir up things is not called a "conversion" or "expressing opinions" - it is a classic case of trolling. Even more so, if you are trolling a topic that does not even involve you, like flying online. I see that you had no problem identifying yourself, when the word "troll" was mentioned.

[CanadaOne]

So what is the correct and uncowardly word for a troll then nowodays?

 

 

 

 

Posting snowflake images, teddy bear images and otherwise trying to stir up things is not called a "conversion" or "expressing opinions" - it is a classic case of trolling. Even more so, if you are trolling a topic that does not even involve you, like flying online. I see that you had no problem identifying yourself, when the word "troll" was mentioned.

 

I have flown online and unless there is a "virtual morality" inherent to BOX that is not a part of other combat flightsims, please tell me about it. If you cannot answer that one question, your argument that I should not take part in this discussion folds.  

 

And of course I knew the word "troll" was directed at me. I have been on many forums over the years and have met many a snowflake who cannot handle free expression. People who use the word "troll" are just upset at being exposed to opinions they don't like, so they lash out.

 

It's about self-control and mental discipline. If a person has neither, then everything is trolling to them. If they have both, nothing is. It's that simple.

[Aap]

And of course I knew the word "troll" was directed at me. I have been on many forums over the years and have met many a snowflake who cannot handle free expression.

 

Well, if you have been called a troll on many forums, then maybe there is a reason for that? Could it be that your understanding of "free expression" matches the general understanding of "trolling"?

 

People who use the word "troll" are just upset at being exposed to opinions they don't like, so they lash out.

 

That is what you want to believe - after all, upsetting people on forums are the primary goals for trolls. I, for one, am totally calm when calling out trolls. So no points for you, if you are keeping score.

Edited February 26, 2018 by II./JG77_Kemp

[Wulf]

The rules in TaW encourage it, so chute killing happens more often there. It has nothing to do with people being jerks or rude or whatever. It’s just a result of the rules there.

 

 

Well, if you're a jerk and you're looking for some justification for acting like a jerk; then I guess you just found one.

[Lusekofte]

This is conduct that is seen often on internet, I do not like people that do this, but I spend no energy when it do happened to me. Like many other I wait for a good coop mode and Offline career, I hope it will make me once again enthusiastic. Because we are flying in the best overall WW2 CFS game out there. It deserve to be appreciated.

 

The rules in TAW do not encourage chute killings, dying in that server have severe consequence for the one dying and no gain for the oposit side, it simply mean you are a bigger jerk on TAW doing it. 

Edited February 26, 2018 by 216th_LuseKofte

[CanadaOne]

Well, if you have been called a troll on many forums, then maybe there is a reason for that? Could it be that your understanding of "free expression" matches the general understanding of "trolling"?

 

 

That is what you want to believe - after all, upsetting people on forums are the primary goals for trolls. I, for one, am totally calm when calling out trolls. So no points for you, if you are keeping score.

 

I don't believe in trolling. I don't ever feel anyone is trolling me and I don't feel I am trolling them. I believe in free expression and I am happy to take it as well as I give it. I have noticed, though, that many love to dish it out, but cry like babies when it comes their way. If that's their game, they can have it.

 

If you are upset because my opinion, which relates directly to the subject of this thread, makes you uncomfortable - don't read it or respond to my opinions. Do you have no self-control at all?

[Lusekofte]

Well, if you're a jerk and you're looking for some justification for acting like a jerk; then I guess you just found one.

 

 

Beat me to it, and well put Sir :thumbsup:

 

Canada if you are a troll then know this. You got the cutest avatar of all trolls in the world 

Edited February 26, 2018 by 216th_LuseKofte

[CanadaOne]

Beat me to it, and well put Sir :thumbsup:

 

Now, something we will all agree on for sure is that if there is a stated rule on the server that no chutes are to be mowed, then the rule should be followed. Games need rules.

[Aap]

 

 

I have noticed, though, that many love to dish it out, but cry like babies when it comes their way.

 

Yes, we found one right here also, didn't we? A guy that was trolling and then put up a tirade about "cowardice", "self-control" and whatnot when he was called out for it.

 

 

 

If you are upset because my opinion

 

I am not upset. No point for you. Need me to repeat it in French or what? 

[Guest deleted@83466]

I don't believe in trolling. I don't ever feel anyone is trolling me and I don't feel I am trolling them. I believe in free expression and I am happy to take it as well as I give it. I have noticed, though, that many love to dish it out, but cry like babies when it comes their way. If that's their game, they can have it.

 

If you are upset because my opinion, which relates directly to the subject of this thread, makes you uncomfortable - don't read it or respond to my opinions. Do you have no self-control at all?

 

I just think you're projecting your own failings and sensitivity on to others. You get quite a kick out of calling out people who actually play online regularly as "snowflakes (overly sensitive? terminally unique? or does it have a more sinister meaning for you?), yet you're nowhere to be found.  The people you are arguing with are there online almost every night, and we've seen every type of douchebaggery there is, whether it be rammers, kamikaze arcade playing vulchers, trashtalkers, gloaters, chute killers, team killers, etc...And yet, there we are, night after night on the virtual frontlines of it all.  But where are you, while you tell people what should be acceptable, or how people should feel about any particular situation?  Sorry man, but guys in their Offline Ivory towers, really have no call to impugn the mettle of those that are actually flying against real people.  You are entitled to your opinions, but whether they carry any weight or not is another matter entirely.

Edited February 26, 2018 by Iceworm

[CanadaOne]

Yes, we found one right here also, didn't we? A guy that was trolling and then put up a tirade about "cowardice", "self-control" and whatnot when he was called out for it.

 

 

 

 

I am not upset. No point for you. Need me to repeat it in French or what? 

 

Yes, I was called out for it by "the usual snowflakes". It has happened before and it will happen again. Such is the world.

 

And my spoken French is excellent. My written French has suffered a great deal over the years though. But if you care to write out your posts in French I would be delighted to read them.

I just think you're projecting your own failings and sensitivity on to others. You get quite a kick out of calling out people who actually play online regularly as "snowflakes (overly sensitive?), yet you're nowhere to be found.  The people you are arguing with are there online almost every night, and we've seen every type of douchebaggery there is, whether it be rammers, kamikaze arcade playing vulchers, trashtalkers, gloaters, chute killers, team killers, etc...And yet, there we are, night after night on the virtual frontlines of it all.  But where are you, while you tell people what should be acceptable, or how people should feel about any particular situation?  Sorry man, but guys in their Offline Ivory towers, really have no call to impugn the mettle of those that are actually flying against real people.  You are entitled to your opinions, but whether they carry any weight or not is another matter entirely.

 

 

We are all entitled to our opinions and whether any of them carry any weight is a good question.

[CanadaOne]

Sorry man, but guys in their Offline Ivory towers, really have no call to impugn the mettle of those that are actually flying against real people.  You are entitled to your opinions, but whether they carry any weight or not is another matter entirely.

 

"The mettle"?

 

You think playing a video game means you have "mettle"?

 

Oh my...

[Guest deleted@83466]

"The mettle"?

 

You think playing a video game means you have "mettle"?

 

Oh my...

 

Yes, exactly.  I'm guessing that the real reason you don't play online has to do with not being able to stomach the agony of defeat, and/or perhaps the mockery that you know would ensue if you actually behaved in some of the ways you advocate behaving in a multiplayer environment.  Ironically, you must agree that 'Mettle' is indeed a factor, or else you wouldn't be going around calling people Snowflakes, showing caricatures of girls with teddy bears, or otherwise questioning people's sensitivities. 

Edited February 26, 2018 by Iceworm

[DD_Arthur]

 

Hey, thats my mother-in-law's '109

[Trooper117]

C'mon chaps... we are all on here because we love WWII aviation, so we have something in common.

Whether we play online or off it's of no consequence.

[CanadaOne]

Yes, exactly.  I'm guessing that the real reason you don't play online has to do with not being able to stomach the agony of defeat, and/or perhaps the mockery that you know would ensue if you actually behaved in some of the ways you advocate behaving in a multiplayer environment.  Ironically, you must agree that 'Mettle' is indeed a factor, or else you wouldn't be going around calling people Snowflakes, showing caricatures of girls with teddy bears, or otherwise questioning their sensitivities. 

 

I don't fly online because I enjoy sandbox flying more. As for being defeated, been there, done that. I've been shot down many, many, many times. And I have no doubt that if/when I fly online in BOX, I will also be shot down many, many, many times. it's a game, others are doubtlessly better at it than I am, so it only makes sense that I will lose a great deal. that's fine, that how you learn. I have no doubt you would win 80%+ of any flights we had together. Certainly at the start. But you'd never hear me whine about it.

 

One can discuss the idea of mettle in a person's emotional intelligence, if you want to look at it that way, but not as to whether mettle applies in a video game simulating combat. That's just silly. Unless of course that mettle is expressed in someone being a good sport when they lose and not being a whinebag about it.

[Gambit21]

I don't fly online because I enjoy sandbox flying more...

 

Dude - do you even lift bro?

That's pretty much his mentality.

 

Don't even engage this person anymore.

I've seen this toxic, arrogant behavior on here more than once.

 

It's silly, immature, and utterly bogus.

 

Doesn't matter how much you flew online the old IL2 and how much you experienced and participated in that community, if you don't have current stats then some are of the notion

that you must not know anything and your opinion should be disregarded. Anyone who's not smart enough to see the fallacy in that and indicates such with idiotic posts like you see here should be immediate

candidates for your ignore list.

 

I created and hosted CoOps almost nightly for years, but some character on here (cant 'remember who now) tried to take me to task a month or two ago in a similar fashion because I dared lend an opinion

on online flying (ramming I think it was)

 

You can't fix stupid, so stop trying.

This thread is probably ripe for locking.

[Trooper117]

Hey, thats my mother-in-law's '109

 

  Tell her I'm being very careful with it!

[Guest deleted@83466]

C'mon chaps... we are all on here because we love WWII aviation, so we have something in common.

Whether we play online or off it's of no consequence.

 

Sure it is...if somebody wants to tell online players how to behave, critique their etiquette, and then insult them by name calling, then you bet it matters whether they play online or not.

 

 

I don't fly online because I enjoy sandbox flying more. As for being defeated, been there, done that. I've been shot down many, many, many times. And I have no doubt that if/when I fly online in BOX, I will also be shot down many, many, many times. it's a game, others are doubtlessly better at it than I am, so it only makes sense that I will lose a great deal. that's fine, that how you learn. I have no doubt you would win 80%+ of any flights we had together. Certainly at the start. But you'd never hear me whine about it.

 

One can discuss the idea of mettle in a person's emotional intelligence, if you want to look at it that way, but not as to whether mettle applies in a video game simulating combat. That's just silly. Unless of course that mettle is expressed in someone being a good sport when they lose and not being a whinebag about it.

 

I don't like whiners either.  In fact I sometimes strafe them in their chute!.  So quit whining about other people's sense of etiquette in Multiplayer, because it clearly has no effect on your game play whatsoever...you really have very little place in a discussion such as this.

[Trooper117]

Jesus... give it a rest!

[BraveSirRobin]

Well, if you're a jerk and you're looking for some justification for acting like a jerk; then I guess you just found one.

There are plenty of jerks in this community who never chute kill. In any case, stay away from TaW if you are offended by chute killing. Because the TaW rules encourage it.

[Guest deleted@83466]

Dude - do you even lift bro?

That's pretty much his mentality.

 

Don't even engage this person anymore.

I've seen this toxic, arrogant behavior on here more than once.

 

It's silly, immature, and utterly bogus.

 

Doesn't matter how much you flew online the old IL2 and how much you experienced and participated in that community, if you don't have current stats then some are of the notion

that you must not know anything and your opinion should be disregarded. Anyone who's not smart enough to see the fallacy in that and indicates such with idiotic posts like you see here should be immediate

candidates for your ignore list.

 

I created and hosted CoOps almost nightly for years, but some character on here (cant 'remember who now) tried to take me to task a month or two ago in a similar fashion because I dared lend an opinion

on online flying (ramming I think it was)

 

You can't fix stupid, so stop trying.

This thread is probably ripe for locking.

 

Well like I said much earlier in the discussion, if you want to behave like a jerk in multiplayer, and be recognized as such, then by all means, start ramming people and chute killing them on servers, and see how it's received.  On a place like WoL, there is no reason to do this other than to piss somebody off.    There might be a time when it is completely appropriate to treat a jerk in kind, (I've strafed a few chutes here and there) but I think that generally speaking giving someone the virtual finger by doing something like that that should be a rare event, and if not, then it is just plain and simple trollish behavior.  But hey, if all of your massive experience in online play leads you to believe otherwise, then good luck with that!

Edited February 26, 2018 by Iceworm