Crash land then strafed and killed

[SCG_motoadve]

TAW this morning, I am in a Spit and engaged with 2 FW 190s, long dogfight to the deck, I was ready to just go leave the fight feeling fortunate not to have any damage, they did a trick on me, one 190 just in front of me as bait, was too tempting, I chased , he was a bit far, then the other hit me, I got damaged and started to head back, engine about to die so performed a nice forced landing, once on the ground first FW strafed and misses me, second one kills me.

 

I have never killed a parachute or strafed a plane that makes a forced landing.

And this is the first time I am strafed after making a forced landing.

 

I know we are simulating WWII so everything did happen and can happen.

 

 

Do most guys here do this?

[Gambit21]

Yes and No

There I just encapsulated the entire thread that's about to follow.

 

You're choosing to play an online game with all sorts of people.

Some of them considerate, some of them are ass hats.

Some are here to simulate a WWII experience, some are just out for stats.

 

There have been many threads on this, chute killing, etc etc etc.

Always the same conversation.

 

There are justifications for and against, just like chute killing.

It happened in real life...no it didn't, yes it did...well it did but not that much...yes it did in X, Y or Z theater....

 

Yes I agree with it, no I don't.

I think it's fine but I never do it, I don't do it but I don't care if the other guy does, anyone that does it should be shot...and on and on.

 

In the end when flying online you sign up for this experience and many other things....best to just be a considerate player yourself and move on.

Edited February 25, 2018 by Gambit21

[Finkeren]

It’s bad form to be sure, but in the context of TAW it is also strategically smart.

[Feathered_IV]

I don't do it. Like chute killing, I see it as a calculated insult to the other player.

[BlitzPig_EL]

I don't know how TAW is set up, but, if pilot kills are one of the conditions that can lead to a win, or a loss, then it's a valid tactic.

 

Remember, you are playing a computer game where score is being kept, well in this case anyway, hence playing for the score makes perfect sense.

 

If role playing is more your style, and there is nothing wrong with that, then wait for the upcoming co-operative game play mode, where more historical play can be simulated.

 

Just please, don't make a case against it by trying to establish some kind of moral high ground.  This isn't real life. No one is wounded or dies.  The only thing that gets bruised are egos.

Edited February 25, 2018 by BlitzPig_EL

[Archie]

I've never done it in over a decade of online flying, but some seem to revel in it. For TAW it is even encouraged as pilot losses count.

[SCG_motoadve]

I don't know how TAW is set up, but, if pilot kills are one of the conditions that can lead to a win, or a loss, then it's a valid tactic.

 

Remember, you are playing a computer game where score is being kept, well in this case anyway, hence playing for the score makes perfect sense.

 

If role playing is more your style, and there is nothing wrong with that, then wait for the upcoming co-operative game play mode, where more historical play can be simulated.

 

Just please, don't make a case against it by trying to establish some kind of moral high ground.  This isn't real life. No one is wounded or dies.  The only thing that gets bruised are egos.

I really dont care, its just a game, not making a fuss about it.

Just wondering

[BlitzPig_EL]

OK.  I'm not trying to be argumentative either.

 

Cheers.

[SCG_motoadve]

OK.  I'm not trying to be argumentative either.

 

Cheers.

WAS IT YOU WHO KILLED ME???

 

Just kidding 

[Finkeren]

Personally in MP I try not to do things that spoil the fun for other people.

Edited February 25, 2018 by Finkeren

[Danziger]

I think it's great when I do it but other people shouldn't do it to me because that's just wrong...

[A_radek]

I'm such a wuss I even feel bad for those that don't successfully bail.

 

Found a lone ju-52 on taw while en route in my p-40. This guy had taken the long way around the map! Far behind enemy lines headed for home, that's roughly a 3 year flight in a ju-52. Closed my eyes and squeezed. Didn't even have to release the 500kg bomb. Then came the nightmares. A ju52 probably full of cute kittens and me with 6x 50's. Shangri-la.

[Gambit21]

I don't do it. Like chute killing, I see it as a calculated insult to the other player.

 

That's more or less how I feel about it.

[Panthera]

I haven't done it so far myself, mostly because I don't see the point; guy is down so there's no need wasting anymore ammunition. But if killing the pilot is actually a means toward winning a map on certain servers, well then I'd expect it to happen to me without any hard feelings, and I'd probably start occasionally doing it myself on those servers.

 

But seeing as I've currently only flown on WOL & Berloga I've just never bothered as it feels unnecessary, and like Feathered_IV pointed out, kind of like giving your opponent the middle finger.

[Melkor_87]

Like chute killing its not against the servers rules and it puts a tally under pilots lost, but still a pretty unsporting way to get a kill. I dont and wont chute kill or strafe downed planes as they are out of the fight and no longer a threat, as well as its a stupid waste of ammo.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Really poor manners. TAW has a reputation for its cutthroat nature but this seems excessive even by their standards.

 

From an objective point of view it's such a waste to shoot at a crashed, doomed or severely damaged aircraft, let alone a pilot on a chute. Best case scenario is you kill a pilot that was possibly set for capture, and destroy a plane that was already a write-off. Worst case scenario is you crash into it, or into the ground, or get shot at, or waste ammunition and fuel that you might need later, which can doom your perfectly fine plane or your wingman or some ground assets. It's a potential concrete waste of everything in exchange for a theoretical ego boost.

 

I find it cool when you're setting up for a crash landing or hanging by the chute and the enemy does a friendly fly by, maybe with a wing rock or a roll, and I try to repay the courtesy whenever able

Edited February 25, 2018 by 216th_Lucas_From_Hell

[Ribbon]

Strafing downed aircraft to kill the pilot is the same like parachute kill in my opinion, you've got the plane kill so going back to kill pilot is pathetic.

Unless it helps to win the mission, i don't know how it works on TAW.

In my squadron chute killing and strafing downed pilot will get you banned from squadron, unless someone do that first to us, than we hunt him down and kill him on every possible way until he leave the server bittered.

Strafing airfield where number of planes is crucial to win the map or to defend the objective is ok, that also depends on server rules.

I've seen some squadrons do chute killing and downed pilot killing but that's internet, all kind of ppl are here and that's their disgrace.

 

S!

[CrazyDuck]

Do most guys here do this?

 

 

Like everywhere in life, there's certain percentage of @-holes here as well. Accept this fact and don't allow this miserable minority to influence your opinion of everybody else.

[BraveSirRobin]

The rules in TaW encourage it, so chute killing happens more often there. It has nothing to do with people being jerks or rude or whatever. It’s just a result of the rules there.

[Thad]

Salutations,

 

I personally try to practice the "Golden Rule". I won't do to other players what I wouldn't want done to me in a similar situation. 

 

Example: If I have shot up a craft and it is on fire... I will cease attacking it. But that's just me.

[Eicio]

It seems that they were only finishing the work, nice and clean 

 

I don't do it, my credo is shooting stukas on take off 

[Trooper117]

War is hell... And no, I've never chute killed in all the years I've been playing combat SIM games either.

Getting shot up by unscrupulous individuals on the ground, in the air, or in a parachute is just another risk you take... I wouldn't get bent out of shape about it

[Pupo]

Personally in MP I try not to do things that spoil the fun for other people.

 

I would like you to know, that if you ever come to see me online, and you happen to be on the other team, shooting at me really spoils my fun. 

 

As many have said it, TAW is a competitive arena where the goal is to defeat the other team. The rules say nothing against chute killing / strafing, but they pose a very good motivation to do so:

 

If pilot ditches his airplane then it will be replenish after 3 next missions. To ditch try to belly land as close your friendly cities or ground units as possible.

If pilot bail out over enemy territory there is always a chance to not be captured

 

Meaning that not killing an enemy pilot if you have a clear chance to do so would be prejudicial to you, and to your goal in this server. It's nothing personal, it's just the way the game works.

Edited February 26, 2018 by Pupo

[ATA_Vasilij]

I personally try to practice the "Golden Rule". I won't do to other players what I wouldn't want done to me in a similar situation. 

 

 

Best rule for everything in life.... real or virtual...... simple and clear.

[Feathered_IV]

The rules in TaW encourage it, so chute killing happens more often there. It has nothing to do with people being jerks or rude or whatever. It’s just a result of the rules there.

[Edited]

Edited February 26, 2018 by Bearcat

[Mad_Mikhael]

Waste of ammo, time and awareness.

[A_radek]

Waste of ammo, time and awareness.

Your right, and you did let me disengage. Things like that get noticed. Engine died shortly after though.

 

http://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=53911&name=a_radek

 

Many are so stat-hungry they will dive down from 4k just to finish off someone elses kill, rather than keep their eyes open for other contacts. As low as chute-killing.

[Herne]

last TAW campaign, on one of the winter maps I was flying a JU52 hugging the deck on a resupply mission. A few km's from my chosen airfield I was attacked, a few rounds hit me on his first pass, I throttled back, picked a field and landed. 

My attacker thinking I was done, left me be and continued on with his sortie. 

All my engines were ok, control surfaces seemed to be fine, so I throttled back up, took off and resupplied my chosen airfield. My log showed something like. Spawned > Took off > damaged by > ditched > shot down > took off > landed.

that day the LW had one more plane in their inventory, and perhaps even one more pilot, with additional supplies to one of their airfields, all because my attacker chose to let me go.

 

I don't chute kill, but TBH if you are killed in the cockpit, in a chute, or in a big boom when your bird hits the deck, whats the difference.

[sinned]

Aiming at cockpit is ok but chute kill isnt?

 

This is my WOW moment in IL2.

[CanadaOne]

[JaffaCake]

Chute killing is just the same as teabagging in other games.

 

 

Unless you are on TAW, where teabagging removes the pilot for 5 minutes and is one of the conditions for victory.

[OrLoK]

In general I would find it "unsportsmanlike" to chute kill.

 

if it were a victory condition, well, I probably wouldn't play that server or would leave that task to others.

 

I *know* its all pixels but It's just how I feel in my gut.

 

If chutes could protect themselves or had an offensive capacity then I'd be "happy" to do so.

 

But, strangely enough It just feels wrong to me. (I also feel sorry for trucks)

 

Im a softy.

[CanadaOne]

Perhaps the game should be designed so that weapons cannot be used against anything or anyone that cannot defend against attack.

 

No chutes, no trucks, no trains or boats or installations without AA, no planes that are out of ammo, etc.

 

Then life is fair, everything is sweet and gentle, and no one will feel the need to whine.

[Mad_Mikhael]

BTW, AI is shooting chutes too. Once I got killed on chute by.. StuG.

 

 

 

Edited February 26, 2018 by =L/R=Mad_Mikhael

[scram77]

If I've downed a pilot who has had to crashland in a field I would try and give them a wee wing wave as I fly over them.  It has no effect on them or me, but I like the gesture.

 

Conversely I've ben shot at plenty of time when I'm sitting in my downed plane.  I feel its completely unnecessary but doesn't effect me if they do - apart from I think less of the pilot for doing it.

[Herne]

In general I would find it "unsportsmanlike" to chute kill.

 

if it were a victory condition, well, I probably wouldn't play that server or would leave that task to others.

 

I *know* its all pixels but It's just how I feel in my gut.

 

If chutes could protect themselves or had an offensive capacity then I'd be "happy" to do so.

 

But, strangely enough It just feels wrong to me. (I also feel sorry for trucks)

 

Im a softy.

 

There's a cutscene on the stalingrad campaign where some stukas bomb a ship carrying refugees. Mother and kid holding hands and the kids holding a teddy bear with the other hand. Teddy bear is seen at the end just floating in the water.

 

Game needs more teddy bears with complex damage models

[CanadaOne]

There's a cutscene on the stalingrad campaign where some stukas bomb a ship carrying refugees. Mother and kid holding hands and the kids holding a teddy bear with the other hand. Teddy bear is seen at the end just floating in the water.

 

Game needs more teddy bears with complex damage models

 

[OrLoK]

There's a cutscene on the stalingrad campaign where some stukas bomb a ship carrying refugees. Mother and kid holding hands and the kids holding a teddy bear with the other hand. Teddy bear is seen at the end just floating in the water.

 

Game needs more teddy bears with complex damage models

 Evil buggers those amphibious teddy Bears. I'll kill em all. Chute or no chute.

[BraveSirRobin]

[Edited]

If you don’t like chute killing, don’t fly on servers with rules that encourage chute killing.

[D3adCZE]

Once on TAW, when I was flying a 109 G2, I was jumped by a pilot in Spitfire. After ~5 minutes I managed to shoot him down, and since we were on TAW, where pilot kills results in victory, I shot his schute down. For next five hours I felt like a complete dick for abandoning my honor. Never done this again.

Edited February 26, 2018 by CSAF-D3adCZE