109 flying with half a wing.

[Pupo]

Sometime ago, someone posted a complaint that planes would become too uncontrollable when only part of their wings were removed. Turns out a controllable plane with only half a wing  can also happen in the game, but it's incredibly rare:
 

 

 

 

It happened during the QMB. I sniped the poor AI's wing with the IL-2's 23mm from about 500m away. The thing shaked a little bit, but stabilized, and just ran away into the sky. Unfortunately, I only started recording after my shot. Maybe it was a bug, but it's the first time I see it happen in over 100 hours of playing, which is about the frequency I'd expect such rare events would occur in real life.
 
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Edited February 23, 2018 by Pupo

[Willy__]

Neat! I remember reading accounts about P47s returning to base with half wing missing, so I guess its possible ? 

[-TBC-AeroAce]

It is possible but I'm not sure how many people would want to risk a landing IRL.Might be stable at speed but fall out of the sky when slowing down.

[unlikely_spider]

Knowing the AI I am surprised that he didn't continue furiously dogfighting you.

[AndyJWest]

It is possible but I'm not sure how many people would want to risk a landing IRL.Might be stable at speed but fall out of the sky when slowing down.

 

Yup. I suspect that in most cases, control of the remaining aileron is likely to be compromised too. 

[Archie]

It is possible but I'm not sure how many people would want to risk a landing IRL.Might be stable at speed but fall out of the sky when slowing down.

Get back to your own lines and bail out would have been the best option I should think.

[Pupo]

Yup. I suspect that in most cases, control of the remaining aileron is likely to be compromised too. 

 

 

yeah, the AI had the aileron fully deflected, and still was stuck in an endless spiral climb. Controllable is probably an overstatement, barely getting by is a better description.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

There was a famous case of an F15 having a mid air collision and loosing half a wing and landing. The wing was hidden by the fuel leak and the pilot said he would have bailed if he knew how bad the damage really was. In any case a F15 with FBW and flight control computers effectively flying the plane for the pilot would able to cope a lot more with this kind of damage hence why the pilot didn't really notice anything was wrong.

 

There is a vid of it on youtube but I don't have time to find it ATM

Edited February 23, 2018 by AeroAce

[CUJO_1970]

[-TBC-AeroAce]

 

Wowowow

[Ribbon]

Yup. I suspect that in most cases, control of the remaining aileron is likely to be compromised too.

 

Could be, depends on aileron control column quadrant system.

Is there anywhere 109 maintenance manual with pics available, would love to se those.

[AndyJWest]

 

The perspective in that photo is a bit deceptive, and only the wingtip has been lost. Most of the aileron is still there.

[MiloMorai]

[FuriousMeow]

[CF-105]

Could be, depends on aileron control column quadrant system.

Is there anywhere 109 maintenance manual with pics available, would love to se those.

 

It used to be that the P-40 retained full aileron control even with half of the opposite wing missing, so at the time, I just thought that the aircraft had a redundant controls or something.

After some people complained it could still fly with half a wing missing, it was changed to handle like the rest of the aircraft in game under those circumstances.

 

It'll be interesting to see what aircraft like the P-47 are like, given that we know what kind of damage they could sustain and remain airborne with.

[Feathered_IV]

There hasn't been a flight sim yet that didn't allow its aircraft to fly with half a wing at some time or other.

 

Now; lets drag out all those old photos again...

[DSR_A-24]

It used to be that the P-40 retained full aileron control even with half of the opposite wing missing, so at the time, I just thought that the aircraft had a redundant controls or something.

After some people complained it could still fly with half a wing missing, it was changed to handle like the rest of the aircraft in game under those circumstances.

 

It'll be interesting to see what aircraft like the P-47 are like, given that we know what kind of damage they could sustain and remain airborne with.

 

Well judging by how tough the IL2s are in this simulator...

 

They have an empty weight of 9600lbs vs the P-47 at 10,000lbs(propbably due to Turbo). The P-47 is also a significantly smaller aircraft in wing area(300ft² vs 414ft²). So we've got an overall smaller aircraft while being heavier. So I wouldn't be surprised if the P-47 is significantly tougher than the IL2, structurally. However the smaller wing area isn't as advantageous as a bigger wing because of the loss of lift you when being shot at by cannons. So I'd imagine a plane that refuses to loose its its tail or wings, but will crash due to loss of lift or a fire.

[FuriousMeow]

There hasn't been a flight sim yet that didn't allow its aircraft to fly with half a wing at some time or other.

 

Now; lets drag out all those old photos again...

 

You could not do it in the old Il-2 series, once part of the wing was gone - excluding ailerons - it was impossible to maintain flight since the wing was treated as one unit for "lift" qualities.

[SCG_happy_meal]

Sometime ago, someone posted a complaint that planes would become too uncontrollable when only part of their wings were removed. Turns out a controllable plane with only half a wing  can also happen in the game, but it's incredibly rare:

 

It happened during the QMB. I sniped the poor AI's wing with the IL-2's 23mm from about 500m away. The thing shaked a little bit, but stabilized, and just ran away into the sky. Unfortunately, I only started recording after my shot. Maybe it was a bug, but it's the first time I see it happen in over 100 hours of playing, which is about the frequency I'd expect such rare events would occur in real life.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmMejp8lJy4

 

The problem is to land right side upp 3min in.

[Pupo]

You could not do it in the old Il-2 series, once part of the wing was gone - excluding ailerons - it was impossible to maintain flight since the wing was treated as one unit for "lift" qualities.

 

The exception being one hurricane, which could fly just fine with half a left-wing removed. But this was a known bug.

[Holtzauge]

Apparently no one told this guy you can't fly with only one wing. Totally unrealistic FM pls fix thnx!

[bzc3lk]

Apparently no one told this guy you can't fly with only one wing. Totally unrealistic FM pls fix thnx!

https://www.snopes.com/photos/airplane/onewing.asp

Edited February 25, 2018 by bzc3lk

[ATA_Vasilij]

Because of quantum physics.... If you believe it will fly, then it will fly. 

If you believe it must fall down, you will fall down.

 

No one of current newton physics law and aerodynamic law persists till you overwrite it by your own belief.

[Herne]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmMejp8lJy4

 

The problem is to land right side upp 3min in.

 

Really good effort. Well done !

[Lensman]

I lost my control rods in a bf 109 F4 last week and had no vertical control at all and a permanent slight climb. I was encouraged to bail out but instead used the roll of the aircraft to drop the nose and flew back many miles to my airfield. There was no way to land so I bailed out over the strip and presumably walked to the debrief.

[Sgt_Joch]

Knowing the AI I am surprised that he didn't continue furiously dogfighting you.

 

In QMBs, as soon as you damage a AI ac, it will bug out and head back to base for a landing.