Mongoos T50 users: how are you using the buttons and hats?

[[CPT]CaveMan*]

Hi all -

 

there's always someone doing things differently and I'm always curious to see how people are using their hardware so, since my T50CM showed up today ( ), and since I'm going to have to learn things all over anyway, I thought it would be interesting to see how others have setup their sticks.

 

I figured I'd map the center hat to trim, the pickle button to bombs, something else to rockets, and use the side "switch" to view zoom in/out, but hadn't figured anything else out.

 

How are you guys doing it?

[dburne]

Top left button - bombs/rockets

POV hat just beneath - as POV for exterior views.

Top middle 4 way switch - trim ( rudder/elevator in my case).

Bottom middle 4 way hat switch - views ( cockpit, fly by, fixed, and chase).

Top right button - currently unused

Bottom right button - re-center VR view

Pinky button - currently unused

Brake Lever axis - brakes

Thumb Button - gear toggle

2 way slider switch on right hand side of grip - using back for Spit Tinted Sun Visor ( I find this switch kind of easy to activate accidentally in heat of battle)

1st stage trigger - machine guns ( 2nd stage not used).

Flip down trigger - cannons.

 

That is what I currently have for my T-50 stick, of course have other assignments on my Warthog throttle.

Edited February 23, 2018 by dburne

[[CPT]CaveMan*]

Thanks dburne!  I'm so used to having a 'Shift' button on the stick that this is gonna take some getting used to.

[Sokol1]

You can use T50 'pinky' (DX button #18) as "shift":

 

https://virpil.com/en/forum/vpc-hangar/85-vpc-mongoost-50-grip-button-map-template

 

- Assign this button #18 as modifier by manually edit the file current.actions (folder Input).

The game accept a joy button as modifier for other buttons, just don't allow set in controls GUI.

 

- Through Joy2key, SVMapper... to press any of Windows modifier (Alt, Ctrl, Shift...), how set explained there:

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/30538-setting-shift-button-t-flight-hotas-x/?hl=%2Bjoy2key&do=findComment&comment=498360

Edited March 28, 2018 by Sokol1

[[CPT]CaveMan*]

Very Interesting Sokol1!  I'll have to investigate that later.  THX!!

[Archie]

I'm still working it out, but currently I have:
Top left button - Boost

POV hat just beneath - Currently just zoom view

Top middle 4 way switch - trim 

Bottom middle 4 way hat switch - Prop pitch-map-unassigned (currently)

Top right button - Fire rockets

Bottom right button - Drop bombs

Pinky button - Teamspeak

Brake Lever axis - brakes

Thumb Button - centre TiR

2 way slider switch on right hand side of grip - back-lock tail wheel forward- open bomb bay/ open Stuka floor panel

1st stage trigger - machine guns 
2nd  stage trigger - cannons

Flip down trigger - Bomb/rocket single/pairs/all

Some assignments will change when I get my new throttle.

Edited February 23, 2018 by 6./ZG76_Archie

[335th_GRMultiDoc]

Noob question (since I have been away from flight sims for a decade). I received my T-50 yesterday,m updated firmware and calibrated it via the Vipril utility, but how do you map/bind the keys and axes in IL-2 ?

Do you guys do it via the game or ?

 

Any help will be appreciated it. And if anyone is happy to email me a configuration file for the stick that I could upload to it even better.

[Sokol1]

Yes, you need map axes and buttons in game options > Keybinds.

 

Select a function, e.g. Roll > move the joystick in X axis,

same for buttons, e.g. select Fire Weapon Group 1 > press the trigger, etc.

Save and test.

 

VPC don't provide - for a while, a software for "press joystick buttons to press keyborard keys to press commands in game", but if you want use in this way can use Joystick Gremlin, or the ease to use Joy2Key, SVMapper (both have topics there), Xpadder...

 

 

 

 

Edited March 17, 2018 by Sokol1

[dburne]

37 minutes ago, MultiDoc said:

Noob question (since I have been away from flight sims for a decade). I received my T-50 yesterday,m updated firmware and calibrated it via the Vipril utility, but how do you map/bind the keys and axes in IL-2 ?

Do you guys do it via the game or ?

 

Any help will be appreciated it. And if anyone is happy to email me a configuration file for the stick that I could upload to it even better.

 

Yes I did all my mapping in the game, works very well.

 

 

[335th_GRMultiDoc]

 

 

Thanks for your reply, but how for example do you map the second stage of the trigger ? Or other complex actions ?

Edited March 17, 2018 by MultiDoc

[Sokol1]

Easy: In Keybinds select "Weapons Group 1" press the trigger until 1st stage AND HOLD, now select "Weapons Group 2" and press trigger until 2nd stage. Done.

 

IMO - Set MG's and Cannons in same sequential trigger is wast of ammo in most uses, because you don't have option for fire only cannons.

 

An example of this "complex action"? 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 17, 2018 by Sokol1

[dburne]

5 hours ago, MultiDoc said:

 

 

Thanks for your reply, but how for example do you map the second stage of the trigger ? Or other complex actions ?

 

I don't have my second stage trigger mapped, I use first stage trigger for machine guns, and flip down trigger for cannons.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Red button - bombs 

Left Pov hat down - disable hud

Left Pov up - show indicators

Left Pov hat right - fps

Left Pov hat left - Mission briefing/map

 

Center 4-way down - switch gears 

Center 4-way up - level autopilot 

Center 4-way left/right - autopilot Bank left/right

 

Upper center 4-way - trim up/down, trim left/right 

Right upper button - rockets

Right lower button - 7x zoom (VRzoom + 3dmigoto) 

Foldable flip trigger - bail out

 

Index finger 2-way - flaps up/down 

Thumb button - zoom 4.5x (3dmigoto +VRzoom)  

Pinky button - TeamSpeak /Discord 

Lever - brake AXIS (must assign it in a file in the input folder) 

Lever button - nothing 

[Warpig]

On 3/17/2018 at 1:10 PM, MultiDoc said:

Noob question (since I have been away from flight sims for a decade). I received my T-50 yesterday,m updated firmware and calibrated it via the Vipril utility, but how do you map/bind the keys and axes in IL-2 ?

Do you guys do it via the game or ?

 

Any help will be appreciated it. And if anyone is happy to email me a configuration file for the stick that I could upload to it even better.

It's always advantageous to use mapping software for button assignments when available. The only thing I map in-game is any axis assignments. The reason is, if Windows mixes up the joystick and throttle assignments, you'll only have to remap any axes, and not the buttons. This can happen when plugging/unplugging different controllers.

[335th_GRMultiDoc]

4 hours ago, Warpig said:

It's always advantageous to use mapping software for button assignments when available. The only thing I map in-game is any axis assignments. The reason is, if Windows mixes up the joystick and throttle assignments, you'll only have to remap any axes, and not the buttons. This can happen when plugging/unplugging different controllers.

Exactly my point.

 

Any suggestion on what software to use for this ?

[Warpig]

5 minutes ago, MultiDoc said:

Exactly my point.

 

Any suggestion on what software to use for this ?

That I don't know. I made this statement based on the assumption that any hardware would come with it's own mapping software. I would hope Vipril offers this as well. If it doesn't, then I'm not aware of any 3rd party software for this.

 

Sorry if I misunderstood.

[dburne]

14 minutes ago, Warpig said:

That I don't know. I made this statement based on the assumption that any hardware would come with it's own mapping software. I would hope Vipril offers this as well. If it doesn't, then I'm not aware of any 3rd party software for this.

 

Sorry if I misunderstood.

 

They do not, at least as of yet. Their software is under development and currently is good for calibrating and that is about it.

 

I used to use TARGET back when I was flying with the Warthog setup, but got away from using the software some time ago. I have gotten to where I much prefer setting my controller assignments in the game GUI, in all my games. 

 

I guess I have been fortunate, in that I have never had my controllers change their ID and mess up my configuration. Even when changing sticks in and out, has not happened to me.  And have had BoS since the days of the original Early Access period when it was under development.

 

Only thing I wish , IL-2 is the only flight game I have that does not support assigning multiple buttons presses to a different action.  I so wish we had that ability within the game controller setup menu. I would like a button assigned as a modifier, to expand the number of commands one could assign to individual buttons. This along with individual plane controller setups, would be just awesome.

Edited March 28, 2018 by dburne

[Warpig]

3 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

They do not, at least as of yet. Their software is under development and currently is good for calibrating and that is about it.

 

I used to use TARGET back when I was flying with the Warthog setup, but got away from using the software some time ago. I have gotten to where I much prefer setting my controller assignments in the game GUI, in all my games. 

 

I guess I have been fortunate, in that I have never had my controllers change their ID and mess up my configuration. Even when changing sticks in and out, has not happened to me.  And have had BoS since the days of the original Early Access period when it was under development.

That's a real bummer, because I am very interested in Vipril's new Throttle. I hope they come around with a complete product.

 

It's good to hear that BoX handles hardware assignments very well. I know from personal experience, that this cannot be said for some other games though.

Edited March 28, 2018 by Warpig

[dburne]

1 minute ago, Warpig said:

That's a real bummer, because I am very interested in Vpril's new Throttle.

 

It's good to hear that BoX handles hardware assignments very well. I know from personal experience, that this cannot be said for some other games though.

 

I "think" their goal is to have that functionality available once they get the throttle on the market. But who knows...

[Sokol1]

You don't need manufacturer soft (usually are "heavy"), are plenty of good free or cheap ($10) keymapper that can be used with any joystick brand, and fill Bo'X needs very well.

 

Joy2Key 

SVMapper

Xpadder

Joystick Gremlin (has most of TARGET functions).

[l_MaD_l]

On 3/29/2018 at 2:19 AM, Sokol1 said:

You don't need manufacturer soft (usually are "heavy"), are plenty of good free or cheap ($10) keymapper that can be used with any joystick brand, and fill Bo'X needs very well.

 

Joy2Key 

SVMapper

Xpadder

Joystick Gremlin (has most of TARGET functions).

If anyone also wants to configure the buttons and switches with more options like I was used to, JoyToKey was "the solution". ?️

But with this great Vipril product I got into trouble with the software, as it supports "only" 32 buttons. In the minimal configuration we have 49 buttons with this throttle!
So I wrote to the developer of JTK and he answered the next day with a link to the new beta version of the software which now supports up to 128 buttons!
Now I'm able to have many options for every button, like keyboard emulation, auto repeat, toggle between on and off, switch between different assignments, double or even multi click of a button, long and short click, mouse emulation, shift function (like the dialbutton already does) and even more.

If you want to get more out of this super throttle, you could try this software. 

SVMapper has only limited options, but is ok for a simple setup of the key and buttons.
Happy flying!

Edited September 28, 2018 by l_MaD_l

[Sokol1]

39 minutes ago, l_MaD_l said:

So I wrote to the developer of JTK and he answered the next day with a link to the new beta version of the software which now supports up to 128 buttons!

 

Nice move, you did the wright thing, talk with the only guy that can solve the issue - strangely some people prefer complain in forums /reddit.

 

Thank you for this.

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

Thank you for this.

 

Going to set up my new throttle and joystick in this too, already have it set up in Gremlin.  I have used J2K for years and understand it and as far as I can see, it gives a lot more options.

 

Edited September 28, 2018 by VBF-12_Stick-95

[TWHYata_PL]

On 9/28/2018 at 5:53 PM, l_MaD_l said:

So I wrote to the developer of JTK and he answered the next day with a link to the new beta version of the software which now supports up to 128 buttons!
Now I'm able to have many options for every button, like keyboard emulation, auto repeat, toggle between on and off, switch between different assignments

mhm ,  What exacly version are you  running ? I have followed your link , instaled this beta ver. 6.1.1 and still see only 32 buttons ?

i have purcharsed licence ~6 months ago and my serial working with this beta but still it shows only 32 buttons on both devices ( throttle and c-delta)

 

Edited September 29, 2018 by TWHYata_PL

[Sokol1]

Click in the provided download link and get the new Beta version 6.1.2 - from 27 or 28.09.2018.

 

Start JoyToKey an in the tab "options",  change "Number of buttons to configure (Max 128)" for your joy/throttle allowed number - for default came set in 32 (that obsolete Windows limit).

[l_MaD_l]

Thanks Sokol1, youre absolutly right!

[TWHYata_PL]

Thank you, now Virpil throttle is fully funcional in my sims

Edited October 3, 2018 by TWHYata_PL

[Alonzo]

I'm using an X52 throttle + T-50 stick. On the throttle one of my buttons is used to "shift" stick buttons, and one of the stick buttons is used to shift throttle buttons, effectively doubling them all up. Main stick settings:

• Trigger fire all guns (second stage trigger unused).
• Flip trigger fire rockets / change rocket mode (shifted)
• Red button drop bombs / change bomb mode (shifted)
• Middle hat zoom / map / briefing / bomb sight / 5x Migoto zoom (shifted) / speed up time (shifted)  / slow down time (shifted) / bomb bay doors (shifted)
• Right-top button navigation lights / cockpit lights (shifted)
• Right-bottom button lock tailwheel / record track (shifted)
• Thumb POV elevator trim / rudder trim / aileron trim (shifted)
• Middle 4-way flaps up / down / canopy / hud / feather prop / instrument panel / Migoto hide prop 
• Pinky button autopilot straight-level / full autopilot (shifted)
• Brake lever brakes
• Thumb side button shift throttle buttons

I use AutoHotKey to bind these buttons to keyboard controls because I find IL2 is a bit finnicky in its use of button bindings. It doesn't seem to 100% like button combinations. By using the default binds in IL2 and an AHK script I also need to rebind less stuff if something goes wrong.