keybinding issue

[stupor-mundi]

Just started the game a few days ago. Not sure if there is, software wise, a distinction. I bought BoK first, then added BoS and BoM.

 

I have a joystick, Thrustmaster FCS 16000 without the throttle thing. I had run a Thrustmaster TARGET default file for BoS, which possibly did set up the joystick, not entirely sure if that had an effect. Overall I was happy with the joystick mouse and key bindings.

 

The joystick has a lever, which seems to count as an axis, which I tried to assign to propeller pitch. In the settings interface, this appeared to work, but when flying, had no effect. I then tried to bind this to engine power control, which did work.

 

Next I tried to to change the keys for propeller pitch from the default to some other keys, which, again, in the settings interface, seemed to work, but when flying, it turned out that the default keys still controlled the pitch, and the new keys didn't.

 

I also tried to assign some joystick buttons to the pitch, which, again, appeared to work in the settings interface, but had no effect when flying.

 

I was a little concerned that some of the problems might have to do with the Thrustmaster TARGET software getting in the way, but I can't see how that would have an effect on the keyboard binding problems.

 

All this binding experimentation was when flying the FW 190, not sure if the plane has any relevance.

[Dakpilot]

Are you certain you used the 'save' function

 

can be a little counter intuitive if i recall

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[DD_Arthur]

All this binding experimentation was when flying the FW 190, not sure if the plane has any relevance.

 

'Fraid it's completely relevant as the '190 has auto prop-pitch.   If you have BoK try flying the Spitfire or one of the Russian single-seaters as they have manual control.  

[Ehret]

Manual prop-pitch control may not work if you didn't turn off the automatic governor first.

 

Some options are axis-like; some others are just binary (on/off) switches. Binding physical axis to the latter may not work; at least in my experience.

[Sokol1]

 

The joystick has a lever, which seems to count as an axis, which I tried to assign to propeller pitch. In the settings interface, this appeared to work, but when flying, had no effect. I

 

All this binding experimentation was when flying the FW 190, not sure if the plane has any relevance.

 

FW 190 has electric control of prop pitch (like Bf 109, 110 and other Lw planes), so can't bind in a axis.

 

A good control for P.P is HAT (up/down) in throttle (TWCS is no so expensive), and turn of prop pitch automation. Manual control, if properly used, can give you slight advantage.

 

You can use that slider on T.16000M (although this is good for control throttle) setting in TARGET profile bands for their axis and set this bands for press the keys for increase/decrease P.Pitch.

Is not much practical because can't forget to return the slider for center position after adjusts, or will over-rev the engine.

 

If you are using TARGET need assign new controls in TARGET profile - for a button/axis send keystrokes for a given command - not in game controls.

[stupor-mundi]

So many answers. So first, about saving ...

Yes, I clicked accept. I also exited settings, and went back in to check.

 

About automatic versus manual. I know I have to click shift-P to go manual, and manual does work. It's just that it still works with the original key bindings.

 

About it not working on axis. That may be, and I resigned myself to not being able to assign that. But I can't even get it to work with other keys than the default.

 

About it not working because of using TARGET. So, if I understand correctly, the TARGET settings would override everything, even if the game shows different bindings. If this is the case, two things confuse me.

 

A) why was I able to assign the lever, using the game, and not target?

B) why would TARGET override an attempt to assign different keyboard keys to a function? It's hard to understand how it can have control of that.

 

But overall, this may be the best explanation of what went on there. I'm not too sure though of how TARGET works. I used TARGET to load a profile, as per instructions flew in BoK once while TARGET was running.

But after that, I've only flown while the (visible) TARGET application wasn't running. So, is the TARGET profile still active?

 

I'm not sold on using TARGET, maybe it's not such a great idea. I'd gladly turn it off, but I'm not sure how to achieve this.

[Martin077]

I have the same Joystick as you and i dont use target in this game because all works fine.

 

I only use target in CLOD bc i had to down the sensitivy of the rudder.

 

Only use target when you need it otherwise try without it.

When you use target, the T16000m becomes another ID.

So when you try BOS without target the joystick wouldnt recognise well and you have to assign the axis and buttons again.

[stupor-mundi]

I'm unsure about how target works. As per the manual, I ran the target GUI , 'ran' a downloaded script file for BoS, then, without turning that application off, ran BoS (or rather BoK at the time).

However, I only did this ONCE. In the meantime, I've restarted the machine multiple times, unplugged the joystick, et cetera.

So is target still in control of the joystick? And if so, how can I make it go away?
Since there is the "target GUI" and the "target script editor", as alternative ways to deal with those scripts, I suppose there will be a less visible part of target that actually is in charge of applying the script to the joystick.

I'd happily uninstall the TARGET applications, if that's what it takes to free the joystick from the control of target.

But, as it stands, I'm not even sure if target is at this time in charge of the joystick at all. Maybe it's only in charge while the target GUI is running?

[stupor-mundi]

Finally figured out the point of the response about FW 190 vs Spitfire. The TARGET software wasn't the problem. I hadn't understood that there are different controls -- propeller RPM control is different from propeller pitch plus minus. I had edited the wrong control, which has an effect on Spitfire but not on FW.

[Sokol1]

Despite the different names: Propeller RPM and Propeller Pitch Plus... you can assign the same joy buttons for control both types, so no matter if fly a Fw 190 or Spitfire the control is the same.

 

Can use the same approach for radiator/cowl flaps, dive brakes/siren...

 

TARGET can be really helpful, e.g. for do things not possible in game controls like axis curves and profile per plane - if you understand well how work and learn scripts, but is not really necessary.