has trim been implemented yet?

[ACG_Flyby]

I probably missed it in the control section, but I'm fighting the LAGG3 just to keep it in level flight (noses up if left alone). So has elevator trim been implemented yet? If not, does anyone know when it will be?

thanks,

Flyby out

 

never mind. a second look found it where it should be. 

Edited December 29, 2013 by FlybyFlyby

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Not implemented yet. Propably soon, but the holidays in Russia are starting now as new year is their big time like our christmas.

[bivalov]

I probably missed it in the control section, but I'm fighting the LAGG3 just to keep it in level flight (noses up if left alone). So has elevator trim been implemented yet? If not, does anyone know when it will be?

thanks,

"addition of many important things, including trims, start from end of february'14", here original of last post about near future, from Han...

[ACG_Flyby]

So it's there, and it will accept the addition of a joystick control, but it doesn't work yet (?). OK. I missed the thread where it was not yet implemented. So I'll wait until February.  

Flyby out 

[dburne]

So it's there, and it will accept the addition of a joystick control, but it doesn't work yet (?). OK. I missed the thread where it was not yet implemented. So I'll wait until February.

Flyby out 

 

Trim tabs for the Lagg are not implemented yet.

Horizontal Stabilizer adjustment ( trim) for the 109, is.

 

So if you don't mind flying for the German side, the 109 is certainly more pleasant to handle as you can trim the pitch out with the stabilizer adjustment.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Propably takes a lot of work to prevent the trim system being abused to hell and back. Linking it to pitch/roll axis to achieve faster roll/turn rates than historically etc. There are always people who abuse every single game mechanic they can find.

Edited December 29, 2013 by LLv34_Flanker

[dburne]

Yeah I noticed by the time I get the 109 trimmed out for level flight, not a whole lot of up elevator left, I can turn with full elevator up deflection.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 A scenario I can see with LagG-3 trims is that you could make a profile where the trim boosts your roll rate by trimming the plane to the direction you are rolling thus giving way faster roll rate than you really should/could. Same could apply to pitch to achieve faster response to controls etc. Those game mechanic abusers are a very resourceful crowd in finding the loopholes.

[dburne]

S!

 

 A scenario I can see with LagG-3 trims is that you could make a profile where the trim boosts your roll rate by trimming the plane to the direction you are rolling thus giving way faster roll rate than you really should/could. Same could apply to pitch to achieve faster response to controls etc. Those game mechanic abusers are a very resourceful crowd in finding the loopholes.

 

Man I guess I don't know about stuff like that as I typically do not do multiplayer, unreal...

[ACG_Flyby]

I haven't tried the trim in the 109 yet. I'm a member of the ACG, and fly as 5./JG26_Flyby, but I wanted to try the LAGG to see how it handled. I'd read that it was a real truck, in flight, and it seemed to be so in the old IL-2 series, but this new model without the trim leaves me uncertain. I don't know that the trim would be over-modeled for use in combat, but who could tell anyway, except the old vets or current fliers who remember and have tried BoS as a comparison? I do dial in a bit of elevator trim in IL2_CLoD in the 109-E to help pull out of screaming dives without ripping the wings off. BTW I've read where the BoS owners have no plans to sell or lease or loan the CLoD code to anyone. I hope trhey don't intend to let it rot on the vine, so to speak. It's an excellent engine. I think it would serve 777's purpose (to promote base loyalty among other things)  to let Team Fusion have the code. Thanks to them (TF) CloD is close to being what it should have been, and is the sim I fly almost exclusively among the five or six on my PC. OK, enough of that.

Flyby out 

[=38=Tatarenko]

S!

 

 A scenario I can see with LagG-3 trims is that you could make a profile where the trim boosts your roll rate by trimming the plane to the direction you are rolling thus giving way faster roll rate than you really should/could. Same could apply to pitch to achieve faster response to controls etc. Those game mechanic abusers are a very resourceful crowd in finding the loopholes.

 

Surely the 109 pilot can abuse the stabiliser control the same way?

 

 

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Tatarenko. It sure could, but it helps the LagG-3 more as it has trims for all axis. And getting a Fw190 like rollrate or even better at higher speeds is an advantage. I really hope devs put in thought on preventing this. Sure it must not detract from the main mission on delivering BoS, but seen too many game mechanic busers in IL-2 during the years that if the same persons and even groups are seen in BoS MP doing their "game mechanic abusing" I am done as I hate the "got to win in any possible way" mentality.

[Skoshi_Tiger]

Don't you think you're being a little bit alarmist here Flanker?

 

Where did you get your info about the LaGG3 having 190 roll rate? I thought the trim on slider issue in the original Il2 was fixed about 10 or so years ago and anyway BoS is based on a completely different game and physics engine. Why do you think the same issues would transfer to BoS?

 

I have every faith that the developers will model the trim correctly and there is no way what so ever that use of trim will increase the roll rate of the LaGG.

 

Have you flown the LaGG much?  You can already push the aileron instantaneously in either direction using the stick. Without careful coordination with the rudder it usually ends up in a snap roll and loss of coordinated flight. (as it should)

 

Trim is used to releave the force required to hold the control  surface in a certain position. What is the benefit of a sustained roll in combat?

Edited January 8, 2014 by Skoshi_Tiger

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

 

 

BTW I've read where the BoS owners have no plans to sell or lease or loan the CLoD code to anyone. I hope trhey don't intend to let it rot on the vine, so to speak. It's an excellent engine. I think it would serve 777's purpose (to promote base loyalty among other things)  to let Team Fusion have the code. 

Two totally different things. BOS runs on the777  ROF engine not CLOD's

Edited January 8, 2014 by Blackwolf

[ShamrockOneFive]

I had trouble getting trim to work so this makes sense... my other understanding is that stick forces were either not modelled or weren't fully implemented yet. Which would probably make sense as to why the LaGG-3 felt very controllable even at very high speeds.

[FuriousMeow]

Don't you think you're being a little bit alarmist here Flanker?

 

Where did you get your info about the LaGG3 having 190 roll rate? I thought the trim on slider issue in the original Il2 was fixed about 10 or so years ago and anyway BoS is based on a completely different game and physics engine. Why do you think the same issues would transfer to BoS?

 

I have every faith that the developers will model the trim correctly and there is no way what so ever that use of trim will increase the roll rate of the LaGG.

 

Have you flown the LaGG much?  You can already push the aileron instantaneously in either direction using the stick. Without careful coordination with the rudder it usually ends up in a snap roll and loss of coordinated flight. (as it should)

 

Trim is used to releave the force required to hold the control  surface in a certain position. What is the benefit of a sustained roll in combat?

 

 

You are correct on the alarmist part and the ridiculousness of the LaGG attaining 190 style roll rates due to trim. That was only possible in the Il-2 series because trim was improperly implemented. The entire control surface was trim, so therefore the entire control surface could be trimmed to max deflection and the stick could stil push further thereby achieving 100+% of control deflection. This was only the Il-2 series because trim was an after thought.

 

If trim is properly implemented, it will only manipulate a small percentage of an entire control surface and therefore achieving those "trim on a slider" moments will be virtually impossible.

[Jason_Williams]

Guys,

 

We have not built the trim function yet. We will do so before release. What we have built so far and this is what is in ROF is the ability to adjust the entire stabilizer such as you can do in the 109. Trim is just a little trim tab. That adds a whole other element of flight and physics.

 

Jason

[ACG_Flyby]

So we have a flying stabilizer on the LAGG3 as well as the Freidrich? How is it adjusted? I'm not certain what to look for.

thanks!

Flyby out

[Rama]

There was no possible adjustment of the horizontal stabilizer on the real LaGG3, so there's none in game.

The horizontal stabilizer adjustment mechanism of the Bf109 is in game.

[Endy]

The trim tab for the LaGG is yet to be built.

[VBF-12_Sluggo]

Hi all.  I want to set up my trim, like all the other IL2s on a dial on my X65.  It will only go one direction.  The second direction only gives me the "?"  how do I set it up both directions?

[KoN_]

When i fly the 109 i come away with sore hands , ......or shall i say my right hand . read into that what you will ...lol  , i constantly isolate around the sky's ...i find the Russian aircraft more pleasant to fly more stable . more stable gun platform .

[FuriousMeow]

...i find the Russian aircraft more pleasant to fly more stable . more stable gun platform .

 

You'll find that aircraft that are far more manuverable are much less stable gun platforms. You'll find stable aircraft are far less manuverable when they are stable gun platforms.

[Rjel]

I find the 109 to be very enjoyable to fly. I'm getting better using it air to air, but just flying around in it is great fun. As a matter of fact, last night after flying a quick mission, I spent the rest of my time just buzzing runways and dodging in and out of the tree lines. I was having so much fun, I ran it out of gas. I have never done that in any sim before that I can remember.

[Sokol1]

Slugo,

 

Is not possible set trim on axis in both directions (a bug?), trim other that "Stabilizer Adjust" (Bf 109, Fw 190 - for his use minus and plus) is not intend to by set on axis (Dial, rotarie, slider...), only in keys or joystick buttons. Use this slider on X-52 for other functions that accept axis properly, like PP, Mixture, Radiators...