I wish there was a test flight option

[Danziger]

Han says on the Russian forum the A20 comes with 4k skins and ability to switch to 2k.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Han says on the Russian forum the A20 comes with 4k skins and ability to switch to 2k.

 

Fascinating. They haven't talked about that here yet. Perhaps then we'll see that feature for 3.001 and official skins slowly being upgraded to 4K from there.

[Danziger]

In your opinion. Plenty other people think it`s very steep.

In comparison to what other sim exactly? If this is really too expensive for someone to afford they probably shouldn't be wasting time on flight sims to begin with. On the other hand if you're saying people just think it's overpriced they should probably just stay with war thunder. Or they could wait for one of the many generous giveaways that happen very frequently around here.

[Lusekofte]

I am aware I might be in a fortunate possition economical. But I am not rich . I never buy anything I cannot afford. it seems to me if you need to test one plane before you buy it , it is only two reasons for it.

1. You cannot afford it= do not buy it

2. You have no interest in that plane= do not buy it

 

For me I have bought 3 G6 but do not own one myself, I am still evaluating if it is worth it for me, or I gift one . Currently I simply do not see myself fly it, therefor it is a waste of money. One complete sim like Bodenplatte goes for one module in DCS , to be fair you get a campaign with the module , but still the money should not be a problem if you save a bit of money, this hobby, even with expencive hardware is still the cheapest one you can get

[Mac_Messer]

In comparison to what other sim exactly?

Does not matter.

 

 If this is really too expensive for someone to afford they probably shouldn't be wasting time on flight sims to begin with.

Again, your rather elitist opinion. People want to fly aircraft and shoot stuff. WT is easily accesible to try and BoX doesn`t provide that.

 

 On the other hand if you're saying people just think it's overpriced they should probably just stay with war thunder.

Not until they leave a negative review.

 

 Or they could wait for one of the many generous giveaways that happen very frequently around here.

 

Nobody knows about giveaways. Also, from my pov noobs don`t get them but regulars who know BoX series already.

[Rolling_Thunder]

In your opinion. Plenty other people think it`s very steep.

I wonder how much those folk think, say BoK is worth?

I'd really like to know what those people would expect for $50.

I wonder if those folk have an inclination of how these games are made. If they think they just magically appear on the store page.

I'm not rich, i have a 42 inch tv, i have no intention of getting anything bigger because i cannot justify the expence. 42 inch works. It serves its purpose. I dont expect them to drop the price of 50 inch tvs because I cant afford one. I dont feel like I should have one because other folk have them. Im not resentful that other folk can afford them. And i dont expect anyone to buy me one either.

As others have said, if saving up $50 is beyond ones ability you're in the wrong place.

[Danziger]

So how much exactly, in your non-elitist opinion, is BoX worth?

[OrLoK]

As a fairly new player, compared to other *games* BoX can initially seem pricey.

 

Indeed its taken me some time to appreciate the nuances of the sim.

 

Its accessability over other sims can falsly lead one to think of it, initia)y, as a game and to pooh pooh some aspects.

 

Nut all these initial assumptions are incorrect.

 

Just like the trope of "so many 109s all the same".

 

Its down to lack of experience and knowledge but an easy trap to fall into.

 

For me, although pricey its a sim thats well worth the outlay and with the upcoming patch will stand head and shoulders above any other ww2 flight sim so far (imho)

 

Dont forget the *free* warthunder game often also draws folk into false comparisons.

 

A demo might help push these tropes and assumptions aside.

 

Id be happy if an unarmed trainer/spotter was made available for folks to fly in MP.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Id be happy if an unarmed trainer/spotter was made available for folks to fly in MP.

 

 

Wouldn't such a weak aircraft scare away demo players? Although a light aircraft would be easy to fly, I think something more capable would be better. In an Il-2, for example, new players could do much more on the battlefield. 

[OrLoK]

Wouldn't such a weak aircraft scare away demo players? Although a light aircraft would be easy to fly, I think something more capable would be better. In an Il-2, for example, new players could do much more on the battlefield. 

Possibly, but to be able to *see* MP in action, even if one could not fully partake might interest some?

 

perhaps a spectate view only for the demo?

 

Obviously Im just throwing stuff out there, I havnt spent hours on this!

[Royal_Flight]

So how much exactly, in your non-elitist opinion, is BoX worth?

I wonder how much those folk think, say BoK is worth?

I'd really like to know what those people would expect for $50.

I wonder if those folk have an inclination of how these games are made. If they think they just magically appear on the store page.

I'm not rich, i have a 42 inch tv, i have no intention of getting anything bigger because i cannot justify the expence. 42 inch works. It serves its purpose. I dont expect them to drop the price of 50 inch tvs because I cant afford one. I dont feel like I should have one because other folk have them. Im not resentful that other folk can afford them. And i dont expect anyone to buy me one either.

As others have said, if saving up $50 is beyond ones ability you're in the wrong place.

This is missing the point completely.

 

It's not really a matter for debate how expensive or otherwise people think BoX is, because what BoX is 'worth' to you will vary depending on disposable income, availability of time to invest in leisure activities, economic circumstances and personal preference.

 

The point is about accessibility, and if there's a way to grow the player base and demystify BoX then that seems like a good idea to me.

 

Telling people that they're not welcome here if they don't have the means to save is unhelpful.

$50 might be an attainable savings goal for some, might be a trivial amount of pocket change to others and could be, as some have stated already, a month's food budget or a few weeks' worth of nights out, or could be the price of the next heating bill.

 

I haven't seen any signs that anyone is resentful of others who have more BoX releases, and some people wait for sales but no-one in this thread expects the prices to go down just to suit them, from what I've seen.

The generosity of the community is legendary but I also haven't seen people expecting others buy them things.

 

XPlane 11 has a demo, you can download the game and fly for free for five minutes.

That was sufficient to get me to purchase the full game at full price and I'm glad I did, which I probably wouldn't have done if not for the chance to try it out.

Why not?

Too many flight sims, not enough time. Hassle of setting up controls, learning new techniques, and if the flight modelling wasn't good enough then I wouldn't have wanted to try (BoX has spoiled me a bit).

 

But it got my attention and turned me into a customer.

I have no doubt that would work the sane way for potential BoX pilots.

 

Remember, we need to grow the community or the sim has no future.

[Rjel]

If someone has a budget so tight that they must choose between eating and playing a game, how is a chance to fly a plane for a brief time without buying it going to help them? If anything it would seem to me to add to their frustrations.

 

You state you haven't seen anyone eexpecting others to buy for them. It has happened. At least once.

[=X51=VC_]

Why do people assume that wanting something cheaper means you can't afford it or are dirt poor? If I wanted every expansion and collector plane I could buy them today and my finances wouldn't implode. That doesn't mean I'm going to do that or that it's a good idea.

 

In your lovely moral high ground is making good consumer decisions by choice completely incompatible with having spending power? Do you also deliberately avoid good deals at the supermarket or buy stuff you don't need just to support local retailers? Get off your high horse please.

 

Yes, this game is great and the devs deserve support. But their pricing strategy already accounts for the fact some people will pay 30% extra for early access, some full price on release and others only buy on sale. They're a business and they know what they're doing. Guess what, sales exist and work to increase revenue because they make people buy things they otherwise would not, while those that really want it still buy full price instead of waiting. Demos and trials would do exactly the same.

 

All I asked for was the ability to make a more informed choice.

[Danziger]

I'm not on a horse. I'm down here in reality where things cost money and people pay for goods and services.

 

I've got no problem with poor people. Apart from about 5 ok years, I've been dirt poor since 1983. Even homeless several times.

 

I've got no problem with a free demo. Jason said one is coming.

 

My beef is with tight arsed miserable bastards that whine about the price being too high because they cannot be bothered to pay a fair price for anything. The kind of guys who are always there to get free drinks when someone else is buying but nowhere to be found when it's their turn to buy a round.

[Pupo]

My beef is with tight arsed miserable bastards that whine about the price being too high because they cannot be bothered to pay a fair price for anything. The kind of guys who are always there to get free drinks when someone else is buying but nowhere to be found when it's their turn to buy a round.

 

 

You are fighting a strawman. No one in this thread whined that the game was too expensive or that the price was unfair.

[Danziger]

In your opinion. Plenty other people think it`s very steep.

[56RAF_Roblex]

Wouldn't such a weak aircraft scare away demo players? Although a light aircraft would be easy to fly, I think something more capable would be better. In an Il-2, for example, new players could do much more on the battlefield. 

 

There have been game business models based on the concept of 'Let them take part for free with a poor vehicle and they will see how much fun the paying customers are having and pay to have something better.'   It is especially effective when there is some task that needs doing but you don't want to use AI and no humans would volunteer for. 

 

I suspect that letting free players fly transport missions would not work as there are many people who would enjoy doing it and never move to paying for a fighter or bomber.  I  suppose you could restrict them to one hours flight time in the demo (with airstart from rear position to save them having to learn take-offs?).   They would get to see how nice the graphics are,  how good it is to feel part of the team,  maybe try out the puny gunner position in a JU52 or Li-2.    Perhaps a more effective trial is to let them deliver unarmed fighters to the forward fields.  It would be quite fun but nobody would stay at that level because it would be just too frustrating to fly a powerful fighter without getting a chance to shoot, especially if you have to avoid an enemy fighter and find yourself in a shooting position with no guns :-)

[Mac_Messer]

I wonder how much those folk think, say BoK is worth?

I'd really like to know what those people would expect for $50.

I wonder if those folk have an inclination of how these games are made. If they think they just magically appear on the store page.

I'm not rich, i have a 42 inch tv, i have no intention of getting anything bigger because i cannot justify the expence. 42 inch works. It serves its purpose. I dont expect them to drop the price of 50 inch tvs because I cant afford one. I dont feel like I should have one because other folk have them. Im not resentful that other folk can afford them. And i dont expect anyone to buy me one either.

As others have said, if saving up $50 is beyond ones ability you're in the wrong place.

It`s not that simple. As others said before, one builds a gaming pc for a weeks pay, other does the same for month pay while another for a years pay.

 

Please don`t tell me that if a person spends his six months savings to build himself a BoX worthy pc, he should not be here with us.

I am aware I might be in a fortunate possition economical. But I am not rich . I never buy anything I cannot afford. it seems to me if you need to test one plane before you buy it , it is only two reasons for it.

1. You cannot afford it= do not buy it

2. You have no interest in that plane= do not buy it

 

For me I have bought 3 G6 but do not own one myself, I am still evaluating if it is worth it for me, or I gift one . Currently I simply do not see myself fly it, therefor it is a waste of money. One complete sim like Bodenplatte goes for one module in DCS , to be fair you get a campaign with the module , but still the money should not be a problem if you save a bit of money, this hobby, even with expencive hardware is still the cheapest one you can get

I didn`t buy the Folgore for the same reason. I hate flying planes that have puny, ineffective armament. So as much as I would like to support devs and think it is worth 14,99$, I`m not going to buy it.

 

Wouldn't such a weak aircraft scare away demo players? Although a light aircraft would be easy to fly, I think something more capable would be better. In an Il-2, for example, new players could do much more on the battlefield. 

Maybe the best quality made aircraft with the most mods and skins available. But you`re right, it should be fairly easy to takeoff and control while airborne. Otherwise such a demo could be countereffective.

You state you haven't seen anyone eexpecting others to buy for them. It has happened. At least once.

Seen it at least two times.

Yes, this game is great and the devs deserve support. But their pricing strategy already accounts for the fact some people will pay 30% extra for early access, some full price on release and others only buy on sale. They're a business and they know what they're doing. Guess what, sales exist and work to increase revenue because they make people buy things they otherwise would not, while those that really want it still buy full price instead of waiting. Demos and trials would do exactly the same.

In this case most potential BoX customers come from WT/WoT playerbase. I`d say vast majority of those treat WT and BoX as direct competition. WT/WoT is f2p, BoX is not.

 

A demo would potentially be able to change one`s pov on the subject, an that is BoX being far more sohpisticated, detailed and advanced combatflightsimulator, providing self-created opinion that it is more than WT/WoT. And for more one would be willing to pay. At least that is what I think so (not having any education on marketing!).

[Rjel]

All I asked for was the ability to make a more informed choice.

I think most would agree the flight models for this game are pretty good. Maybe as close to reality as we've seen to this point. With that in mind, if you were happy flying say a Bf-109G2, then a little research should tell you what you'd need to know about the G6. More powerful but heavier too. Less menouverable, more fire power. I think the projected demo would be a perfect place for anyone to start their experiences with IL-2. I still don't buy the argument of free time trials to try before you buy.

[Rolling_Thunder]

It`s not that simple. As others said before, one builds a gaming pc for a weeks pay, other does the same for month pay while another for a years pay.

 

Please don`t tell me that if a person spends his six months savings to build himself a BoX worthy pc, he should not be here with us.

 

Sorry but that is a rediculous misinterpretation of what I said.

I said, as others have, that if $50, not a PC, is too much to save maybe time would be better spent elsewhere. Like improving ones prospects. I didn't say anybody was not welcome.

There is a demo in the works.

Folk who will come from WT. They are used to air combat. Give them a free demo of the il2 and they will see the difference between the 2 games. They dont need to try every aircraft before they decide.

Trying every aircraft before you buy is just some WT BS. I see a lot of folk comming from WT saying they hate WT but want 1c/777 to adopt pretty much everything that WT offers. I find that strange.

[BraveSirRobin]

Jason has said in the past that they can't do this because it decreases revenue.

[=SqSq=Sulaco]

DCS doesn't offer a "test flight" of their clickable aircraft and they routinely sell for up to $69.99USD a pop. I think dropping $14.99-$24.99 on an aircraft without testing it first is just fine, there are plenty of youtube videos out there along with a heap of us on these forums that can paint a picture of what you're signing up for before you take the plunge. Hell, 1/2 of the reason people buy these planes is to take them out for the first time and give them a try, that's what you're paying for! These guys shouldn't be giving that experience away for free.

Edited January 31, 2018 by =SqSq=Sulaco