Dornier Do17Z

[7./KG51_Baumbach]

Excuse me asking,but are there any plans in the pipeline to add the Dornier Do17Z into our flight sim ?......only asking as it was such an iconic aircraft of the era.

 

The Do17Z would IMO make a great Collector Aircraft,anybody else agree ?

Edited January 25, 2018 by Meaker

[SCG_OpticFlow]

Excuse me asking,but are there any plans in the pipeline to add the Dornier Do17Z into our flight sim ?......only asking as it was such an iconic aircraft of the era.

 

The Do17Z would IMO make a great Collector Aircraft,anybody else agree ?

Might be useful in a spanish civil war module...

[SAS_Storebror]

Spanish Civil War? That was Do-17 E, F and P.

The Do-17Z's big time was the Polish Campaign and Battle of Britain, neither of which we have in IL-2 Great Battles.

At the time of Operation Barbarossa the Kampfgruppen had mostly converted to the Ju 88, and the Do 17 played a minimal part. Only two reconnaissance Staffeln, and three Kampfgruppen employed the Do-17.

The Do-17's were withdrawn within October 1941, well before the IL-2 Great Battles timeframe.

 

Cheers!

Mike

[Missionbug]

I would like to see it available, however, as Mike points out it does not fit the current series of battles we have.

 

Now if we were to eventually get any map featuring Finland in this series then it would be viable as they were used by them

until war end.

 

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

Edited January 25, 2018 by Missionbug

[Roast]

Ah Yes, both the Do17Z & Finland map, excellent ideas

[Danziger]

TFS should make it flyable in Blitz.

[SAS_Storebror]

if we were to eventually get any map featuring Finland in this series then it would be viable as they were used by them

until war end.

Fully agree and yes, I'd love to see the Do-17 in this game as well (not necessarily just the -Z version), it's one of those often forgotten planes that were very important in certain theatres but were overshadowed by their bigger brothers He-111 and Ju-88.

 

 

TFS should make it flyable in Blitz.

Maybe they will, but I think that's slightly off topic in this thread.

 

Cheers!

Mike

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At this point I think it is more probable to get the Do-217, once the devs fill the gap from jumping over 1944 entirely.

I would actually like to see expansion on the early/mid war planes and operations. Even if the end war planes were more powerful and faster and had better armament, the war itself was pretty much over, which makes the scenarios somewhat less interesting. 

Edited January 26, 2018 by II./JG77_Kemp

[Roast]

At this point I think it is more probable to get the Do-217, once the devs fill the gap from jumping over 1944 entirely.

I would actually like to see expansion on the early/mid war planes and operations. Even if the end war planes were more powerful and faster and had better armament, the war itself was pretty much over, which makes the scenarios somewhat less interesting. 

 

I fully agree.

 

I would really like to see more early-war content and scenarios, and the Finland WInter War is a perfect example of that;

Buffalo's, Fokkers D.XXI and the i-153 over endless forrests and lakes

[SAS_Storebror]

As much as I'd love to see those earlier kites in our game, as much I'm afraid that this is also a commercial issue.

Players always demand something bigger, faster, more powerful.

This would be rather the opposite and might not attract as many new customers as we need to keep this project going.

Sure, I know... matured community, matter of reason etc. pp. all fine and granted, but our group of matured men of reason isn't the only one buying and playing this game, whether we like that fact or not.

 

Cheers!

Mike

[Missionbug]

We can always hope that with Bodenplatte finished a possibility for a early war scenario could emerge using that map, the Do-17 could be part of a expansion that would include the Fokker D.XXI and other types that were involved in the conflict in the Netherlands and Belgium.  Depends on whether the third party development succeeds I suppose and if the development team still want to go to the Pacific or if another cunning plan emerges in the next few years.

 

The beauty of the Battles series as it is developing is that we never quite know where we will be going, keeps old timers like me and the younger generation equally interested I think.

 

The key is the availability of a decent maps that can have multiple scenarios applied along with aircraft suited to each different conflict.

 

We all each have particular favourites but the team has to balance our desires with what is practical financially to their business model.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[Lusekofte]

I said yes because it would be the only bomber plane I would not protest LW getting. LW got about all that served while Red side only got PE 2 and now the A 20. I would turn to luftwaffe if a DO 17 where here  

[F/JG300_Gruber]

At this point I think it is more probable to get the Do-217, once the devs fill the gap from jumping over 1944 entirely.

 

I Hope not

 

One of the least appealing bomber of the Luftwaffe. Just a bad flying fat whale.

 

I'm hoping for a ju188 or a later G or S variant of the 88

 

On the do17 topic, why not, I like it.

[Roast]

We can always hope that with Bodenplatte finished a possibility for a early war scenario could emerge using that map, the Do-17 could be part of a expansion that would include the Fokker D.XXI and other types that were involved in the conflict in the Netherlands and Belgium.  Depends on whether the third party development succeeds I suppose and if the development team still want to go to the Pacific or if another cunning plan emerges in the next few years.

 

The beauty of the Battles series as it is developing is that we never quite know where we will be going, keeps old timers like me and the younger generation equally interested I think.

 

The key is the availability of a decent maps that can have multiple scenarios applied along with aircraft suited to each different conflict.

 

We all each have particular favourites but the team has to balance our desires with what is practical financially to their business model.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

 

Interesting idea to add the battle for the Low Lands eventually.

 

However, one must realise that not all the airbases on the Bodenplatte map were there in 1940. Some were built or enlarged

by the Luftwaffe during the war, so this should be changed to keep the early war scenario realistic

[Roast]

As much as I'd love to see those earlier kites in our game, as much I'm afraid that this is also a commercial issue.

Players always demand something bigger, faster, more powerful.

This would be rather the opposite and might not attract as many new customers as we need to keep this project going.

Sure, I know... matured community, matter of reason etc. pp. all fine and granted, but our group of matured men of reason isn't the only one buying and playing this game, whether we like that fact or not.

 

Cheers!

Mike

 

Agreed, to a certain extend

 

If the goal of the developers would have been financial and therefore to aim for the fast planes lovers group of simmers,

they could have chosen late Eastern or Western Front to begin with.

But the did not do this, starting a bit after Barbarossa, choosing a collection of early and mid-war planes.

The fact that they now have chosen a late war scenario with fast planes and big guns doesn't mean - I hope - that

there is no way back, literally

[Lusekofte]

BAttle of Moscow later Finlandmap would benefit of a DO 17. And I would love it. Early war is what I like. If I could choose I like Spanish Civil War era in this sim

[SAS_Storebror]

Honestly I think that before further European theatres are being addressed, the war in the Pacific would deserve attention first.

 

Cheers!

Mike

[Missionbug]

Interesting idea to add the battle for the Low Lands eventually.

 

However, one must realise that not all the airbases on the Bodenplatte map were there in 1940. Some were built or enlarged

by the Luftwaffe during the war, so this should be changed to keep the early war scenario realistic

 

Essentially the topography of any map would be more or less identical from WWI to the present day, once a map is created then it can be used for different eras with only certain things needing to be updated, the autobahn system in Germany for instance and airfields.  In most of Europe buildings from the eighteen hundreds and before can be found interspersed with modern structures added in each successive decade for the periods of interest to us, even today this is still valid.  The difficulty lies in the area of the map made as the conflicts of that century might not fit neatly into one area of the land mass of a suitable size the game can load.

 

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[jokash]

Croatian Air Force Legion flew them under german command...(from Wiki)

Officially designated '15.(Kroatische)/KG 53'., the bomber squadron was equipped with Dornier Do 17Z aircraft. It arrived on the Eastern Front on 25 October 1941, after training at the Grosse Kampfflieger Schule 3, in Greifswald, Germany. Their first area of operations was near Vitebsk. The rest of the Bomber Squadron's assignments were in the Northern Sector of the Eastern Front, including the bombing of Leningrad and Moscow. On 9 November 1941, the Squadron was congratulated by Fieldmarshall Kesselring for its actions thus far. After flying some 1,500 sorties on the Eastern Front, the Squadron and its aircraft were re-deployed to Croatia in December 1942, to help combat the growing Partisan threat to the Axis forces in occupied Yugoslavia

[InProgress]

Battle of Leningrad ^^ and all problems solved, from early to late war map. Would be amazing.

[=FEW=Hauggy]

Damn that would be great.

It was a very maneuvrable machine and a pleasure to fly from what I heard.

 

[Lusekofte]

DO 17 is really a missing link. I would love it.

On 25.1.2018 at 4:03 PM, SAS_Storebror said:

The Do-17's were withdrawn within October 1941, well before the IL-2 Great Battles timeframe.

 

 

Yes quite true, but during Moscow and Stalingrad timeframe it made very good service in Finland. witch means we need a new map too. I think we are running from a great deal of great airplanes if we advance in time too fast. I really hope for a 3rd party making maps and airplanes for earlier timeframe, current  and future in order to fill the hangars with pre and early war models. Before you know it we can fly in SCW era

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

I made a new poll to see if this plane can beat the other candidates ....