IckyATLAS Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 You wonder which limit I am talking about. Be patient. I think I have reached the limit. An this limit is a number. That number is 42. At that value I reach the limit for a comfortable office use. Over that it would become tiring for the head motions, say for regular office work type use, mails, word, etc... Even for photoshopping, watching videos it is the max limit. Over that value you need to increase the distance so get to a smaller relative number. I suppose that by now you understood I was talking about screen size. In preparation for BOK I changed my screen that was a 32", and went for an 4K LG at 42" (16:9 ratio). And yes that is the limit, as I said for having a large field of view covered by the screen at office distance and with an excellent picture quality I mean in 4K 60Hz full resolution. By field of view I mean horizontal and vertical. There has been a lot of talk about what is the size that allows to have the simulated cockpit say at 1:1 scale. But except if one builds a rig that is to be used exclusively for flight simulation, then you need also to be able to use it of office work, and this will put you at this limit number 42" - 4K 16:9. Why I insist by saying 4K, because at that resolution the screen size increase, helps for a more comfortable text size. Going 8K does not bring much if you do not increase the screen size, but then again you hit a comfort limit due to the standard office desk screen distance. In my case the screen distance to my eyes is 85 cm, or 33.46". The LG model I have is an IPS technology at 6ms Grey to Grey. I use an Asus GTX 1080Ti board. And on that base if you have enough space maybe 3 X 42" with two 42" screens covering you sides could be perfect. Because then you have a full 2160 pixels height all around you. This means immense office space totally non practical. And personally I hate the bezels even if they are ultra thin. I have checked the curved double HD screens with 3840 x 1080 pixels, and even if horizontally they are fine, vertically it is not realistic. You have a vertical FOV that is too narrow. The ideal screen would be a double curved 4K screen. I mean a 7680 x 2160 screen in a double 42" screen side by side. Unfortunately that screen is yet to exist, and you need maybe a Volta card to push all those pixels at full res 60Hz. Anyway when it comes it maybe expensive, but I will clearly check about it.
=X51=VC_ Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 I don't know much about big screens but the best way to get 1:1 cockpit experience in the sim is VR. By the time you buy that setup you are talking about VR is probably cheaper too, and doesn't take any desk space.
56RAF_Roblex Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 Yawn. Douglas Adams answered this question decades ago 3
Mewt Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 No limits. I play at 8100 x 1440. And still want more. Although higher HD VR is the next step for me really. Vive Pro or something.
blitze Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 No limits on the micro side either, 15.4 Inches 1920 x 1080, can't get better. /S )) At home 27"but awaiting VR. Proper 1 to 1 scaling and 200 FOV. Can't wait but have to.
CanadaOne Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 Yawn. Douglas Adams answered this question decades ago The mice did anyway.
Ribbon Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 With your gpu and if you have good cpu i would wait for this without doubt! http://www.techradar.com/news/htc-vive-2-release-date-news-and-rumors
JG300_Olrik Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) Yawn. Douglas Adams answered this question decades ago Yes. Don't panic ! And 40" 1920×1080 by the way Edited January 22, 2018 by F/JG300_Touch
BlitzPig_EL Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 Yet I have taken note that there are some of the more competitive online "pilots" that are reverting back to low res CRT monitors as they say they are able to spot targets at longer distances far far easier... Just as was done in the original versions of IL2 when competitive online pilots and squads were using lower resolutions than was native for their old CRT monitors to gain an advantage. I run a 23 inch Samsung PX 2370 as it's just about the largest monitor I can use on my desk.
LLv34_Temuri Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 Yet I have taken note that there are some of the more competitive online "pilots" that are reverting back to low res CRT monitors as they say they are able to spot targets at longer distances far far easier... Which is one reason they should implement a proper icon system that would eliminate the need for this.
=WH=PangolinWranglin Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 Me and my friends play IL2 at the highest resolution we can by stealing historical aircraft from museums and dogfighting with them. You're no where near the limit. Get on my level.
Jade_Monkey Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 Just a comment on the ultrawides, you dont get less vertical FOV than a 16:9. You get the same vertical and some extra horizontal.
IckyATLAS Posted January 22, 2018 Author Posted January 22, 2018 With your gpu and if you have good cpu i would wait for this without doubt! http://www.techradar.com/news/htc-vive-2-release-date-news-and-rumors Seems not bad. Until now all VR sets have disappointed me, because the image quality is awful. Maybe the next ones will do better. But perfect image quality, perfect reaction time with no lag, is the prerequisite. Then there is comfort. Carrying a large VR headset for long periods of time is tiring. I agree that it may be the ultimate solution, but we are still far from the simple easy and light stuff. And when temperatures rise in summer time (I have no air conditioning) then it heats up and comfort goes down.
IckyATLAS Posted January 22, 2018 Author Posted January 22, 2018 Just a comment on the ultrawides, you dont get less vertical FOV than a 16:9. You get the same vertical and some extra horizontal. Technically you are right as you have two HD screens side by side. But the way they are built they are not large enough vertically, hence this feeling of viewing through a horizontal slit. My experience was not very comfortable. Probably that would be okay with two say 40" HD side by side. But the 4K resolution at that size brings a real plus. Me and my friends play IL2 at the highest resolution we can by stealing historical aircraft from museums and dogfighting with them. You're no where near the limit. Get on my level. I know that, I am a pilot, so before a simulator becomes THE real thing we are very, very far yet. By the way in the thumbnail I fly a Pilatus P3-05.
FrozenLiquidity Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Graduated from a 42" 1080p display to a 49" curved 4k display myself. While I can't really recommend something that large for office and productivity use vs a greater quantity of smaller displays, it's fantastic for gaming. I solve the problem by having a separate office computer with a few smaller displays for productivity. I find myself going between the 49" 4k and VR. While VR is more immersive and has the added fun factor, the detail is too limited and FOV too restrained. Maybe in a few years the tech will be where it needs to be. Perhaps you have simply reached your limit.
Dakpilot Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 Switched from 40" 1080P to 49" 4K while this IS large for a desk I find the real estate for having multiple windows and normal use is very good in my experience (but I am not a professional user of a PC) For Il-2 it is great, in a way I wish I could have got a 55" 4K but the cost was too prohibitive The new BFGD 65" 4K 120hz G-sync HDR low latency monitors from Acer/Asus/HP would be on my shopping list this summer if budget was not an issue (+ a VR headset but only gen2-3 when they mature) I also want/need a new Ducati...but this is also unlikely Cheers,Dakpilot
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