Late Model P-38

[Hirachi]

Is the upcoming P-38L going have the hydraulic boosted ailerons like the P-38 J -25

 

 

 

 

[Hauksbee]

And just how, exactly, is this linked up to my Thrustmaster?

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Wow, those Roll Rates are Mythical. One Level with some of the older 2 Aileron Pitts. 

[Ribbon]

Are all controls were hydraulic driven?

If so devs will need to model normal(hydraulic) and manual mode, or not since it can't make difference ingame.

We use joysticks so tension is always the same no matter hydraulic or wire/spring driven controls are.

It could only make difference in DM.

[Hirachi]

No just the ailerons due to control forces 

 

Also is the boost system a switch when the control forces to roll the aircraft become too much or is it something of an automatic system that just kicks in once a certain speed is reach to aid the Pilot in rolling the aircraft 

 

I wonder if there is anything of a limit on how fast the aileron defect as speed increases on the aircraft.  Ex on major airliners there is 2 sets of ailerons since the outboard set would be too sensitive for control at high speed so it lockout and the inboard set is use.  

 

nvm answer my own question

[Ribbon]

No just the ailerons due to control forces

 

Also is the boost system a switch when the control forces to roll the aircraft become too much or is it something of an automatic system that just kicks in once a certain speed is reach to aid the Pilot in rolling the aircraft

 

I wonder if there is anything of a limit on how fast the aileron defect as speed increases on the aircraft. Ex on major airliners there is 2 sets of ailerons since the outboard set would be too sensitive for control at high speed so it lockout and the inboard set is use.

 

 

nvm answer my own question

On AC's i work on only rudder hydraulic output is affected by speed, higher speed less hyd pressure on rudder (controled by ADC trought RTCU).

Anyway if it's on p38 (since it's ailerons aren't divided on inboard/outboard) it could affect ingame only if pilot strenght is modeled but then all planes should be modeled that way.

[Barnacles]

Control forces are modeled in this game

 

On AC's i work on only rudder hydraulic output is affected by speed, higher speed less hyd pressure on rudder (controled by ADC trought RTCU).
Anyway if it's on p38 (since it's ailerons aren't divided on inboard/outboard) it could affect ingame only if pilot strenght is modeled but then all planes should be modeled that way.

So it does take in to account strength required.

 

Are all controls were hydraulic driven?
If so devs will need to model normal(hydraulic) and manual mode, or not since it can't make difference ingame.
We use joysticks so tension is always the same no matter hydraulic or wire/spring driven controls are.
It could only make difference in DM.

No.

Edited January 14, 2018 by 71st_AH_Barnacles

[ShamrockOneFive]

If the aircraft had it, I'm assuming that 1CGS will model it. They haven't shied away from doing these kinds of things before.

 

Maybe a more interesting question is if the tail radar would be fitted (was it to all P-38Ls?) or no.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

 

 

They haven't shied away from doing these kinds of things before.

Well, they have. There are no Fire Extinguishers on Ju-52 and Hs.129, and Hydraulics aren't modelled at all. 

Autopilots aren't modelled either. 

[Ribbon]

Control forces are modeled in this game

 

So it does take in to account strength required.

 

No.

Yes for pilot, when in normal mode (hyd) skinny lady can pull it without problem, in manual mode you need lumberjack hands but for us where joystick have same tension all the time i see no difference beside in DM where we could leak hyd fluid but then again we would have wire driven controls as reserve system.

I didn't give it much attention ingame, if you say pilot pull strenght is modeled on diff speeds than hyd driven controls could do miracles.

[=X51=VC_]

Yes for pilot, when in normal mode (hyd) skinny lady can pull it without problem, in manual mode you need lumberjack hands but for us where joystick have same tension all the time i see no difference beside in DM where we could leak hyd fluid but then again we would have wire driven controls as reserve system.

I didn't give it much attention ingame, if you say pilot pull strenght is modeled on diff speeds than hyd driven controls could do miracles.

 

Flying 109 says pilot strength is modelled. At high speed I can have my joystick all the way back and the elevators barely move. Hydraulics should make a difference if they are implemented. They don't need to simulate force feedback, only limit control movement in-game regardless of joystick position.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Well, they have. There are no Fire Extinguishers on Ju-52 and Hs.129, and Hydraulics aren't modelled at all. 

Autopilots aren't modelled either. 

 

 

Ok fair enough

[Ribbon]

Flying 109 says pilot strength is modelled. At high speed I can have my joystick all the way back and the elevators barely move. Hydraulics should make a difference if they are implemented. They don't need to simulate force feedback, only limit control movement in-game regardless of joystick position.

Yes i felt it too on all AC's on elevator (in dive), i should think before posting and not while drinking

Even i don't use ailerons in dive, i guess some pilots would kill for elevator hydraulics on 109 hehe

[PainGod85]

All Ls had the boosted ailerons and dive flaps. Js were eventually retrofitted with both when they didn't receive them for the factory or the planes carrying the upgrade kits weren't being shot down by overzealous fighters in friendly fire accidents.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

 

Damn, that would be around 200 deg/s at 640 km/h?

Edited January 14, 2018 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[CUJO_1970]

Wow, it looks like hydraulic boosted ailerons will probably make the P-38L competitive with current modeled roll rate of LaGG-3.

[Y29.Layin_Scunion]

Wow, it looks like hydraulic boosted ailerons will probably make the P-38L competitive with current modeled roll rate of LaGG-3.

 

"How can I drag this thread off topic into a whine post?  Hmmmm....I know!"

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

"How can I drag this thread off topic into a whine post?  Hmmmm....I know!"

Well, at least it was well Executed. 

 

But this Thread could End the Groundhog Day the Forums are right now. Let's liven up this thread with our Passion for the P-38. 

 

It is one of the Aircraft I am looking forward to the most, together with the P-47, B-25 and 262, with the B-25 being the one I'm actually impatient for. 

Edited January 14, 2018 by 6./ZG26_Klaus-Mann

[=FSB=Man-Yac]

Well, at least it was well Executed. 

 

But this Thread could End the Groundhog Day the Forums are right now. Let's liven up this thread with our Passion for the P-38. 

 

It is one of the Aircraft I am looking forward to the most, together with the P-47, B-25 and 262, with the B-25 being the one I'm actually impatient for. 

 The B25 won't be playable sadly. Are you impatient to shoot it down? 

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

It will be eventually.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Yes! The P-38 is amazing, even if teething problems and other factors limited its effectiveness in the ETO. Just looks fast even when it's chocked on the ramp.

 

That it does!

 

I have to say that it really looks awesome when fully loaded with a pair of 1000lbs under the wings and the 10xHVAR tree loadout.

[BlitzPig_EL]

The Pigs used that loadout a lot on the P38 in the original sim.  

 

The P38 became our high speed airfield interdiction aircraft of choice.

 

One pass along the length of the runway, pickle off all the underwing store and keep right on going...

 

Much fun.