Bad motion sickness - exclusively in BoX

[II./JG77_Manu*]

This has not a lot to do with the motion sickness thread, because it's not about motion sickness in general.

I got a Rift a few month ago, mainly doing Racing/Rallying Sims, because that's what i was into the most in recent times, little bit burned out from flight simming recently.

I don't have motion sickness at all in my Racing sims. I don't have motion sickness in Elite Dangerous. I don't even have it in first person shooters like Dead Effect or Onward, using complete free movement with the stick. This is supposed to be the worst in terms of motion sickness when looking at the user reviews. Also no sickness after 2 hours of constant playing.

So i really wondered why i got motion sick like mad trying BoX. Few days ago i thought i give it a go, long enough to not do a flight sim in VR. So i started IL2, did 3 1-1 dogfights in quick mission, less then 20 minutes. Had a constant 90 FPS, and the sensation was huge. I liked it a lot better then i expected, feels waay way better then Elite for example. In the third flight i started to feel bad, stopped immediately. But too late, i felt ill the rest of the day (8 hours).

Only once i had experienced motion sickness before, and that was in racing sims before "locking the camera to horizon"(those who do race sims know what it is). So seeing that a lot of users have no problems in IL2, and i am normally on the "tough front" of motion sickness, i wonder if there is some setting i missed, similar to when i started the racing sims? Anything in options or externally i should know to avoid motion sickness? I can't understand why it's so bad exclusively in this sim. Especially after having no problems in Elite. 

Happy for any suggestions that could solve it...

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Hi Manu,

 

sounds indeed a little weird. Especially if you have constant 90 fps and no tracking issues. May i ask if IL2 is the only flight sim you play that involes planes and flying around are little mother earth? Or do you happen to play DCS/Warthunder also and have not issues there?

 

I own DCS and Warthunder but haven't tried them so far. Won't be able to until february timewise. I guess by then i'll see if it is a general flight sim issue for me, or only happening in BoX...

[dburne]

While it is unusual to not get sick at first in FPS games, it is not for the first time flying a flight sim in VR.

 

I would keep trying it in short sessions, stopping the very moment you start to feel it coming on. Give it a couple weeks or so and see if you don't get more acclimated to it to where it does not bother you much, till hopefully eventually it does not at all. 

[Nibbio]

Are you a RL pilot?

Apparently "Simulator Sickness" generally affects real life pilots with a higher number of flight hours. The sensory disconnect is stronger when visual feedback makes you expect motion and acceleration and you have none, leading to a kind of "reverse" motion sickness (in regular motion sickness the visual feedback  is static while you experience motion and acceleration, in simulation sickness it's the opposite).

 

Just stop as soon as you start feeling sick and rest a couple of hours, rinse and repeat.

It took me a few days to adapt, apparently some 5% of people never do.

[TP_Silk]

What I did when I started with the Rift was I went to my local pharmacy and asked for general travel sickness tablets. They gave me a product called Sturgeron that I took as directed some hours before I knew I was going to play and let it get to work. This almost totally eliminated any motion sickness and after only 2 or 3 sessions I had become acclimatised to the game in VR. I am usually horribly sensitive to motion sickness and was amazed at how quickly I got around the need for any meds to help with it.

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

I personally found that getting your VR legs in one genre didn't always perfectly translate to meaning you have them in another.

I encountered similar experiences, but I didn't push it when first starting flying in IL2 - otherwise I would have also been sick.  I was fine in FPS (Onward), Elite Dangerous etc, but still had to take it easy when attempting flight sims.

 

Just don't force it and take breaks as soon as you feel the onset of VR sickness and you will be flying multiple hours at a time without issue. I frequently go 2-3 hours without a break in IL2 VR, and would keep going if not for family life commitments.

[A_radek]

Apart from what's already said, do you use the dynamic resolution setting? I seem to be fairly resistant to vr sickness yet that one affects me. The second it kicks in I start squinting and once realized it's not my vision it takes a moment before I can adjust and focus again. For someone more sensitive to motions sickness in VR I asume that would be more than just disconnecting.

[HunDread]

Just a wild guess but there is an option like 'Cinematic View' somewhere in the options. It should be unchecked.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Also, a spiking or falling framerate that is not constant can induce sickness much earlier than used to.

 

You may want to go either with steady 90fps and stomach the hits when it goes below 80fps, or use ctrl+2 and keep a constant 45fps (asw off). The latter is less sickness inducing than having an average of 60-70fps in my opinion, because you don't get the stuttery head movement when translating left/right and or forth/back.

[Tuesday]

Travel sickness tablets are a good way to prevent beforehand if you know it will happen, but if it's too late for you; ginger extract really helps soothe the stomach.

 

Gravol is a popular brand here in Canada.  You could even buy ginger root at the grocery store and make yourself some tea with it. 

 

Other than that, I think it is just "time in."  I haven't been able to play it consistently (also my GPU isn't very strong for this game in VR), so I usually take some ginger beforehand and try to keep my flights short with long breaks in between.

[chiliwili69]

 

 

So i started IL2, did 3 1-1 dogfights in quick mission, less then 20 minutes. Had a constant 90 FPS, and the sensation was huge. I liked it a lot better then i expected, feels waay way better then Elite for example.

 

What are your system specs? (just to know how you reach constant 90fps).

 

I would recommend to do first just taxing/takingoff/landing or enjoying the views or some ground attack to familiarise your brain with the VR in IL-2. And then enter in dogfights later.

[BP_Lizard]

I had pretty bad motion sickness when I started flying on VR. Still have occasional spells here and there but not as bad as the first episode. It was just as you described.

I remember that when I was a child I would roll down the window whenever I got car sick. So, I had a fan blowing at my face when I was starting on VR. I would do airstarts and would fly short level flights. No sudden movements, mostly just looking toward the horizon. I noticed that looking at the moving ground triggered it. I would stop before I got dizzy. I did that almost everyday for a couple of weeks before I noticed that I’m building my tolerance.

Also, I installed a Buttkicker Gamer 2 on my chair. That provided some tactile aspect to the game and somewhat alleviate the sensory disconnect.

[Mauf]

Welcome to the club of VR fliers Manu.

I'm mostly in the same boat as you. IL2 really floored me when I first started playing it. From my experience I can only tell: What helps other people not necessarily helped me. Some people report improvement when they used ASW and locked their game to 45 FPS. For me that's an instant killer, I need to force ASW off. FPS seems to be the real factor for me, I get an immediate sense of relief once I disable the overlays and my FPS stablized near the 90 border. Then, I could take it for... about 5-10 minutes until I had headaches and was breaking cold sweat (that one felt really eerie, I tell you). So for me, never try to tough it out, put it away once the sickness sets in. Sticking to this, I now manage to fly for about 30 minutes after doing this routine for about 3 months now (so I guess I'm one of those poor sods who really acclimate bad). I usually do 3-4 AI dogfights and then switch it off again. DCS or racing is the same deal. Maybe with enough training, I can get accustomed enough to use it permanently, time will tell.