Add in the Switch Command to turn off Auxilliary (wing-or-fuselage-mounted) MG/Cannons

[Venturi]

Hello,

 

On most aircraft, there is a switch which enables or disables, or regulates, the auxiliary weapons mounted in/on the wings, or in/on the fuselage.

 

Examples of these are the underwing cannon gondolas on the Bf-109, the Mk103 cannon on the Hs-129b, the P-40E gun selectors, etc.

 

These switches are for the most part already animated, and the indicator lights already turn on and off (automatically at startup).

 

The weapon groups are not always able to be controlled sufficiently (for example, sometimes you want to only shoot the machine guns on the HS-129b, but CANNOT avoid shooting the Mk103 as you cannot turn it off - although a swtich exists to do so).

 

Therefore, a key control should be given to this command, which would easily allow greater flexibility of weapon usage by the pilot.

 

Thank you,

Venturi

[56RAF_Roblex]

Maybe I am misunderstanding you but there are separate keys for the primary & secondary weapons (though many people choose to have them both on one trigger).    I have just tried the HS129 with the Mk103 and one trigger fires just the Mg and the other fires the cannons (nose mounted & Mk103)

Edited January 7, 2018 by 56RAF_Roblex

[Barnacles]

Maybe I am misunderstanding you but there are separate keys for the primary & secondary weapons (though many people choose to have them both on one trigger).    I have just tried the HS129 with the Mk103 and one trigger fires just the Mg and the other fires the cannons (nose mounted & Mk103)

 

I think what Venturi means, with the example of a 109 with gun pods. Primary fire fires the MGs, Secondary fires the motorkanon and the gunpods. What would be nice is if you could turn of the gun pods, and have secondary fire button fire only the motorkanon, or by pressing fire all, fire everything execp the gunpods

[Venturi]

Button 1 fires both Mk103 and the machine guns on the HS-129b...............

I think what Venturi means, with the example of a 109 with gun pods. Primary fire fires the MGs, Secondary fires the motorkanon and the gunpods. What would be nice is if you could turn of the gun pods, and have secondary fire button fire only the motorkanon, or by pressing fire all, fire everything execp the gunpods

 

right.

Another thing to consider is selecting how many machineguns are enabled. For instance, the P40 can select 1,2, or 3 pairs - these switches are already automated at startup. The Bf110 has a switch on the dash to select two or four machine guns. Etc...

Edited January 8, 2018 by Venturi

[Matt]

On the 109 with gondolas, one button fires the motor cannon and machine guns and the other the gondolas only. 

 

The situation on the Hs 129 is basically bugged right now. When the MK101/103 is loaded, it should have its own weapon group to be able to fire it alone.

 

But the P-39 and 109 G-6 with MK108 and maybe some of the Bodenplatte planes would benefit from an option like this. So overall, it would make sense.

Edited January 8, 2018 by Matt

[56RAF_Roblex]

Button 1 fires both Mk103 and the machine guns on the HS-129b...............

 

Not what I am seeing.  The standard loadout for the HS129 has both cannons and MGs in the nose.  One trigger only fires the upper pair and the other trigger only fires the lower pair (I can't remember which pair is cannon)  Just fire up a quick mission sitting on the runway and press F2 to watch as you press the two triggers separately.   Now add the Mk103 and you will see it fire at the same time as the nose cannon but the MG will not fire.  Now press the trigger for MG and only the MG pair in the nose fires; not the Mk103 and not the nose cannons.

[LukeFF]

Not what I am seeing.

 

Look again. Currently, the MK101 and MK103 fire at the same time as the MG 17s, and that's absolutely not correct.

Edited January 8, 2018 by LukeFF

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Agreed. This is quite significant for the Hs 129 with 30 mm pods. It is rather difficult to aim the cannon when the linked machine guns obscure the fall of your shots.

 

If switches are not possible, changing the grouping of weapons on the 129 would help.

[56RAF_Roblex]

Look again. Currently, the MK101 and MK103 fire at the same time as the MG 17s, and that's absolutely not correct.

 

OK. I could see only one pair of nose guns firing with the 103s and assumed they must be the 20mm nose guns.   What we get is the primary trigger fires the 103 + the MG 17 machine guns and the secondary trigger fires the MG 151 20mm. 

 I agree that does seem wrong.

[LukeFF]

OK. I could see only one pair of nose guns firing with the 103s and assumed they must be the 20mm nose guns.   What we get is the primary trigger fires the 103 + the MG 17 machine guns and the secondary trigger fires the MG 151 20mm. 

 I agree that does seem wrong.

 

Yep, the way it's supposed to be is (according to the original documentation):

 

Weapon Group 1: MK 101 (or MK 103)

Weapon Group 2: MG 17 + MG 151 (or MG 151/20)

[Retrofly]

Bump, would like to see the grouping changed to have the Mk101 or Mk103 moved to their own grouping.

[NETSCAPE]

el bumparino.

[SCG_OpticFlow]

ATM on Fw-190 the inner wing cannons are linked to the MGs, there is no way to fire MGs only to conserve cannon shells when strafing ground targets...

[LukeFF]

5 hours ago, OpticFlow said:

ATM on Fw-190 the inner wing cannons are linked to the MGs, there is no way to fire MGs only to conserve cannon shells when strafing ground targets...

 

Which is as designed.