Pacific quesion.

[LFL-EightyPLUS]

Hey all,

 

As is common knowledge now, the IL-2 Battle of Midway is put on hold.

This is due to lack of information and i think this actually is a good point of the devs. Its actually no secret that a large part of Japans ww2 aviation is still to be uncovered and much has gone lost.

However this begs the question:

 

How come the for the original IL-2 Pacific Fighters in 2004, there was not much of a problem finding background info?

Was the good old pacific fighters less historically authentic? 

Was it largely based on fantasy? 

 

Admittedly i only clocked singleplayer hours but i never had the feeling there was anything wrong with the included aircraft. 

And while were at it: think about this: would you as a player be bothered if the aircraft in Battle of Midway were less authentic then their Russian counterparts and more like the ones we found in Pacific fighters in 2004?

 

Anyway, that was my rant, thanks.

[AWC]

"Was the good old pacific fighters less historically authentic?"

 

Yes, Jason has stated and it is well known that the Japanese aircraft had instruments missing, etc. I'm not sure about the US aircraft, but I expect them to be more accurate as more information is readily available.

 

"Was it largely based on fantasy?"

 

No, the maps like Okinawa, Midway, etc were based off the real locations. However, the aircraft and theatre of war would receive much more justice in detail and accuracy, like real sea physics, beautiful cockpits and external models with 1CGS.

 

I have a feeling many people would have a problem with less detailed aircraft, as it was a problem before in Pacfic Fighters. This is the primary reason why it was put on hold, as the devs knew this was a major hurdle.

 

I am looking forward to the Pacific as it will expand the games' universe in a really good direction.

Edited January 7, 2018 by Lemsip

[ShamrockOneFive]

Hey all,

 

As is common knowledge now, the IL-2 Battle of Midway is put on hold.

This is due to lack of information and i think this actually is a good point of the devs. Its actually no secret that a large part of Japans ww2 aviation is still to be uncovered and much has gone lost.

However this begs the question:

 

How come the for the original IL-2 Pacific Fighters in 2004, there was not much of a problem finding background info?

Was the good old pacific fighters less historically authentic? 

Was it largely based on fantasy? 

 

Admittedly i only clocked singleplayer hours but i never had the feeling there was anything wrong with the included aircraft. 

And while were at it: think about this: would you as a player be bothered if the aircraft in Battle of Midway were less authentic then their Russian counterparts and more like the ones we found in Pacific fighters in 2004?

 

Anyway, that was my rant, thanks.

 

If I'm honest I think, in retrospect, that Pacific Fighters was at least a partial disaster that they pulled from the fire at the last minute. It was supposed to rely on third party modelers but when that didn't entirely pan out... Maddox Games had to switch from early Cliffs of Dover development and fix a lot of the problems. This is how it was explained to me anyways.

 

It all worked out well enough in the end but it was kind of a disaster. Surely many of the roadblocks were around getting good research. It ended up being enough for the original IL-2 but even then they got a lot of details wrong or they substituted things when they didn't have the opportunity to do better.

 

Japanese aircraft weapons in Pacific Fighters was a mess. Most of the time they were lightly modified from mostly German sources and that was that. The Ki-43-Ic was fitted with Ho-103 machine guns but the Ki-43-II was inexplicably given American Browning .50cals. When I pointed this out they changed the tracer colours to yellow and left them as Brownings. Team Daidalos had to fix that years later. The entire Japanese Navy lineup uses MG-FF/M cannons when the A6M Zeros used a combination of Type 99-1 and Type 99-2 cannons depending on the model. The J2M3 which was armed with both 99-1 and 99-2 cannons (inner/outer) just used the MG-FF/M. That has never been fixed.

 

So truly it was a mess behind the scenes and while it was convincing enough up front... there's a lot missing.

 

The new gen IL-2 has more detailed systems modeling and that means you really need to know how these aircraft work to get the details right. The current 1CGS team is even more nuanced about getting their details right than the Maddox Games team was. Something I appreciate to the extreme but it does mean that if you don't have the references things can get out of wack pretty quickly. I do hope they can find what they need and get the sources required to make at least one good Pacific scenario if not several.

Edited January 7, 2018 by ShamrockOneFive

[LFL-EightyPLUS]

To be honest i never knew that many people were actually so much aware of Pacific Fighters inaccuracies...

Then again in regards the Battle of Midway, im somewhat skeptical.. I mean its probably gonna take a very long time to find information on a A6m Zero similar to a Spitfire for example...

[Lusekofte]

I think and believe the reason for the push back of Pacific is a economical reason. Bodenplatte give more money and time to gather and make Pacific possible. It was just one bridge too far right now. 

It is not as I understand it a problem with source, more getting it translated and all the other technical stuff that make pacific possible. 

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

There obvious is a lack of sources, else Jason hadn't called for help with docs on Japanese aircraft almost a year ago. The fidelity of aircraft modeling in BoX is ways above previous sims in regards to FM, DM and system modeling so are the requirements. That is why things need to be well ressearched in advanced. With few people capable of translating the old Japanese (which is not alike modern) the task becomes even more difficult. Those are good reasons to take a step back and deal with this task over time rather than rushing it than delivering a sub standard product.

Edited January 8, 2018 by 6./ZG26_5tuka

[Feathered_IV]

 

Yes, Jason has stated and it is well known that the Japanese aircraft had instruments missing, etc. I'm not sure about the US aircraft, but I expect them to be more accurate as more information is readily available.

 

 

Sometimes aircraft don't have particular instruments fitted and there is a hole in the panel or a plate screwed over the top.  They still fly, even without the optional extras.