Missing Plane set Eastern Front 1941-43

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

also...

You'll get in trouble for the Swasticas, because somehow they are a Fascist Symbol. Better put the Fi-156 in a Spoiler, or People will get triggered and feel enouraged to invade Poland or something. 

 

Edited January 9, 2018 by 6./ZG26_Klaus-Mann

[von-Luck]

You'll get in trouble for the Swasticas, because somehow they are a Fascist Symbol. Better put the Fi-156 in a Spoiler, or People will get triggered and feel enouraged to invade Poland or something.

 

That's a Boeing P-12 ... Ahh nevermind I see your point.

 

 

For as many people that proclaim to love inter-war planes you should lobby for a more appropriate venue for such - perhaps a Spanish civil war or Russo Japanese Manchurian clash.

 

von Luck

Edited January 9, 2018 by von-Luck

[Eicio]

Maybe it could be a good idea to make a list with all planes proposed here (for the eastern front of course) and then make a poll to see what are the most wanted birds.

 

 

They said multiple times they won't make the IAR.
I. think that "poll" was just a publicity stunt.

 

Do not break our heart ! Maybe they meant they won't make it right now but in the future... ?

[ACG_KaiLae]

Look, it’s not hard to pick out what is needed to round out the lineup:

 

Hurricane

LaGG-3 series 7, series 66

Yak-1 with M-105P and PA (whatever series these are)

Su-2

IL-4

 

Ju-87 B/R

Me-110F2

Do-217/17

He-177

Mc200/G50

 

Also nice:

IAR80

SB

[=RvE=Windmills]

I think of that list LaGG 66 and 110F2 make the most sense for how easy it is to build them (lots of commonality with existing variants) plus the gaps they are filling.

 

Most of the other seem like a really hard sell or hard to develop for how niche they were.

[Finkeren]

Look, it’s not hard to pick out what is needed to round out the lineup:

 

Hurricane

LaGG-3 series 7, series 66

Yak-1 with M-105P and PA (whatever series these are)

Su-2

IL-4

 

Ju-87 B/R

Me-110F2

Do-217/17

He-177

Mc200/G50

 

Also nice:

IAR80

SB

The He 177 really belongs in the “nice to have” pile IMHO, otherwise a great list that would round off especially Moscow really well.

Most of the other seem like a really hard sell or hard to develop for how niche they were.

There was nothing “niche” about planes like the Su-2 (more common than the IL-2 in 1941), the IL-4 (over 5000 built), Do 217 (saw widespread service in the East) etc.

[InProgress]

I just hope for more bombers/attackers, even as premium since BoB will have only fighters, all premiums but 2 are also fighters :/

Ju87 B2

Do17

Bf110 F2

Ardo Ar196

[Alexmarine]

I would go with planes that can finish up the sets that we already have so:

 

LaGG-3 series 2-3

Yak-1 (the first series with the M-105P and PA)

LaGG-3 series 66

Ju-87 B

Su-2

Bf-110F

[novicebutdeadly]

I would like to see the HE 112 introduced as it was used,

As far as I know the He100/ He113 was never used operationally (unless propaganda counts), though I am am happy to be corrected, and would like to see it modeled at some point (the D-1 variant) 

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

The He 100 was only really used as a race and ressearch aircraft. Heinkel kept some prototypes in his factory defense force but it's unknown if they ever engaged with allied fighters.

 

He 112 on the other hand saw action with the Romanians both in Moscow and Odessa as a light fighter and ground attack plane. While it did outclass most of the old soviet fighters like the I-15 and I-16 is severly lacked compared to the Yak and Lagg which it why it was withdraw from frontline service and reassigned to training units after the campaign.

[PatCartier]

We will certainly not see a full eastern front module in the near future, but maps that can be purchased separately could be a good idea to create some additional income.

+1 Orel/Kursk and Leningrad as collector maps would be great.

Edited January 10, 2018 by PatCartier

[Dutchvdm]

I just hope for more bombers/attackers, even as premium since BoB will have only fighters, all premiums but 2 are also fighters :/

Ju87 B2

Do17

Bf110 F2

Ardo Ar196

 

Nice list, but i have my doubts about the Do-17. During the Battle of Moscow there where still some units using them, but they quickly transferred to Ju-88. And after the Battle of Moscow it will not be used again. Unlike the Ju-87 B2 which was still used during Stalingrad. 

 

I like the Dornier, but since big bombers take a lot of time to make, i think there are better choices. 

 

Grt M

[Field-Ops]

I have a feeling some of the missing planes of Germany can be added through the Italian campaign, with of course more Italian planes. 110-F, Ju87 D5 or B2, G50, Mc200, Do 217, SM 79, He112 and so on.

 

That way it doesnt all just have to be separately made collector planes to fill the gaps. And we could get some good earlier British and American planes. Thats how youl get your Hurricane, your early spits, razerback P47, Alison P51, A20-G, maybe even a P40-C.

 

But that all may be stepping on the toes of CLOD. Its too bad since I just want all future titles of IL-2 to be all in the great battles series engine.

[Missionbug]

 

 

 

Now that is a real beauty, I thought it was from this development team at first, now I want to cry because it is not.

 

You certainly know how to apply for a job.

 

 

Include the above and the Hurricane and all will be well with the word because both types are more relevant to our current maps than some others already available to us.

 

 

As for the list in the first page excellent choices all of them, just add the I.A.R. 80 and Hurricane to it and worry not about keeping it to that particular number of types.

 

 

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[Heliopause]

I Thought the Hurricanes pretty much just stayed in the North of Russia ?

 

 

[hames123]

How about the FW 200? As a special plane that can be used to fly supplies into the Kessel.

[MeoW.Scharfi]

There is only one plane I miss yet. The Ju 87 D5 with 2x20mm forward weapons! 

 

Edited January 11, 2018 by MeoW.Scharfi

[InProgress]

Ju87 B2 > D5

[MeoW.Scharfi]

 

 

Ju87 B2 > D5

 

Then why not both?    

[Royal_Flight]

I have a feeling some of the missing planes of Germany can be added through the Italian campaign, with of course more Italian planes. 110-F, Ju87 D5 or B2, G50, Mc200, Do 217, SM 79, He112 and so on.

 

That way it doesnt all just have to be separately made collector planes to fill the gaps. And we could get some good earlier British and American planes. Thats how youl get your Hurricane, your early spits, razerback P47, Alison P51, A20-G, maybe even a P40-C.

 

But that all may be stepping on the toes of CLOD. Its too bad since I just want all future titles of IL-2 to be all in the great battles series engine.

I would hope to see an Italian/Mediterranean theatre, I honestly think it would make for the best future addition.

Carriers, naval operations, amphibious landings, tactical air support, large fighter sweeps, strategic bomber raids, anti-shopping... and some of the best aircraft of the war are represented, in my opinion.

From the Fairey Swordfish and Sea Gladiator to the Firefly and Seafire LF III on one side to the Cr.42 and G.50 to the Re.2005 and Mc.205 on the other, or the whole host of designs you mention above, there's everything from early-war biplanes to late '44 uber types and all between.

The Allies get a whole plane set with a wide variety to choose from (British, American, naval or land-based) and the Axis have a change from more variants of the same main types, by including Italian aircraft.

Ive always thought highly of Italian designs - German aircraft are like tools built for war, while the best Italian machines look like air racers with weapons attached.

 

How about the FW 200? As a special plane that can be used to fly supplies into the Kessel.

It might fall foul of the 'no four-engined large aircraft' rule.

Transport would be fun but might make the Ju 52 redundant as the Condor is faster and can carry more.

And as much as I like naval aviation, I'm not sure that maritime surveillance would make for the most compelling gameplay, although I'd definitely be keen on using it to attack shipping.

 

Then why not both?

The D5 has a larger wingspan so would likely need a new model. Not sure what the differences between the D3 we have and the B2 are but I'm sure there's a few as well.

Although, don't see why they wouldn't each make for good additions at some point.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Differences D-3 to D-5:

- larger wing span (simple extension of the existing wing by 0.5m total)

- night flying and all weather equipment (artificial horizon, night lighting)

- more powerfull armament (2 x MG151/20)

 

Differences D-3 to B-2:

- undercarriage (redesigned gear)

- wing (D-3 has less angled center and gull wing)

- fuselage (smaller radiator, aerodynamically improved engine cowling, cockpit, rear defense turret instead of fixed gun mount)

 

- cockpit (many changes including controll column, instrumentation, layout, additional systems)

- more powerfull engine (Jumo 211 B 1200hp vs Jumo 211 J 1420 hp)

- increased ordinance (B-2 could only carry 1t max)

Edited January 11, 2018 by 6./ZG26_5tuka

[InProgress]

B2 is more pretty

I would like to see something like Battle of Leningrad part 1 with early war and then part 2 with late one. It would fill most of holes for east front planes. It could save and make lots of money 1 big map and planes we already (mostly) have but diffrent version. Ju87, bf110, bf109 etc. Water around leningrad = nice little sea plane I think they will have to make them sooner or later for pacific, so it's not going to be some extra work.

[Avimimus]

I'd personally look for aircraft that meet three criteria:

- Exist in our theaters (Moscow/Stalingrad/Kuban)

- Existed in significant numbers

- Offer a new game play experience or give the other side a similar comparable aircraft.

 

So the IAR-80 could give blue an I-16 equivalent.

 

The Il-4 could give red an aircraft with a bomb load similar to a He-111.

 

The Pe-3 (common in Stalingrad, but also used around Moscow) would give red a Me-110 equivalent.

 

The Po-2 equivalent is more difficult I have a lot of thoughts about that - but I might save the discussion for another thread...

 

P.S. The Ju-87D-5 is an excellent night bomber and attack aircraft, but it was mainly used in 1944... it is a stretch to fit it into the tail end of Kuban... not that I don't want it

[Field-Ops]

Differences D-3 to D-5:

- larger wing span (simple extension of the existing wing by 0.5m total)

- night flying and all weather equipment (artificial horizon, night lighting)

 

Differences D-3 to B-2:

- undercarriage (redesigned gear)

- wing (D-3 has less angled for the middle and gull wing)

- fuselage (smaller radiator, aerodynamically improved engine cowling, cockpit, rear defense turret instead of fixed gun mount)

 

- cockpit (many changes including controll column, instrumentation, layout, additional systems)

- more powerfull engine (Jumo 211 B 1200hp vs Jumo 211 J 1420 hp)

- increased ordinance (B-2 could only carry 1t max)

I'm honestly surprised we havent seen the Stuka D5 with how easy a modification it is. Like the IL-2 1941 - 1942. Stuka has needed those 20mm guns to complete with the IL-2 capability on at least some level. The D5 can also get those add on 20mm gun pods. I'll take a collector plane please. 

[hames123]

I would hope to see an Italian/Mediterranean theatre, I honestly think it would make for the best future addition.

Carriers, naval operations, amphibious landings, tactical air support, large fighter sweeps, strategic bomber raids, anti-shopping... and some of the best aircraft of the war are represented, in my opinion.

From the Fairey Swordfish and Sea Gladiator to the Firefly and Seafire LF III on one side to the Cr.42 and G.50 to the Re.2005 and Mc.205 on the other, or the whole host of designs you mention above, there's everything from early-war biplanes to late '44 uber types and all between.

The Allies get a whole plane set with a wide variety to choose from (British, American, naval or land-based) and the Axis have a change from more variants of the same main types, by including Italian aircraft.

Ive always thought highly of Italian designs - German aircraft are like tools built for war, while the best Italian machines look like air racers with weapons attached.

 

 

It might fall foul of the 'no four-engined large aircraft' rule.

Transport would be fun but might make the Ju 52 redundant as the Condor is faster and can carry more.

And as much as I like naval aviation, I'm not sure that maritime surveillance would make for the most compelling gameplay, although I'd definitely be keen on using it to attack shipping.

 

 

The D5 has a larger wingspan so would likely need a new model. Not sure what the differences between the D3 we have and the B2 are but I'm sure there's a few as well.

Although, don't see why they wouldn't each make for good additions at some point.

Malta map and career for half of a normal release would be nice. Just the island, and the sea surrounding it, maybe a total of 100km×100km. With a planeset which gives us Stuka varients, Italians and British planes. The careers would be great.

 

In fact, maybe there could be a full time server for that map, with German Ju 52s and transports continuously spawning at the North end of the map, and heading South, and visa-versa(they need to return to pick up another load right?). These would be the British targets. The British would have the airfields on Malta, and the ports, both of which can be destroyed by the Germans, preventing British aircraft and AI warships and submarines from spawning and going out to hunt their convoys and transport aircraft. Every day, at a time known only to the German team, there will be a large air raid of AI bombers, with 3-4 flights of 6 bombers each,(since it is way too hard to coordinate this kind of thing with human players) on one of the British instilations. This will provide the fighter pilots with a centre of action to gather at. Simply put, British from Malta hunt German transports. Germans try to cripple Malta to stop them(or could decide to escort their stuff, but that is hard and boring).

 

What do you guys think? It could be a popular lobby, I think, and good for singleplayer action.

[InProgress]

 

 

Malta map and career

Malta would be Cliffs of dover thing, especially that it was already made as mod before. It will probably be next expansion after africa.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

There is only one plane I miss yet. The Ju 87 D5 with 2x20mm forward weapons! 

 

No Swasticas please. They are extremely offensive.

Edited January 11, 2018 by 6./ZG26_Klaus-Mann

[bivalov]

sadly that devs can't make such important planes like - La-5 s1-X and s9+, Il-2 one-seater with AM-38F, at least Yak-1 s6X and LaGG-3 s2X, Bf 110 F-2, Bf 109/110 G without 1.42 ata, etc

and just planes like - Pe-3, Fw 190 A-2 + A-3 with kiemenklappen + A-4 with gills/keimenklappen + A-6, Ju 87 D-5/G-2, Ju 88 C-6 etc

Edited January 19, 2018 by bivalov

[novicebutdeadly]

The He 100 was only really used as a race and ressearch aircraft. Heinkel kept some prototypes in his factory defense force but it's unknown if they ever engaged with allied fighters.

 

He 112 on the other hand saw action with the Romanians both in Moscow and Odessa as a light fighter and ground attack plane. While it did outclass most of the old soviet fighters like the I-15 and I-16 is severly lacked compared to the Yak and Lagg which it why it was withdraw from frontline service and reassigned to training units after the campaign.

From the little available info on the he100, the early ones were used for speed and research, the D-1 were meant to be production aircraft with at least 12 built, the 3 D-0 were shipped to Japan in 1940

 

From what I have read the he112 it was inferior to the IAR.80 which would explain the Romanians used these for air to air combat and relegating the he112 to ground attack as soon as they could.

 

Though slow the he112 had a fairly low wing loading of 25.21 lb/foot which is less than a MK V Spitfire (though being about 100km/h slower...), whilst I wonder how it would have performed if they could stick a Jumo 211 in it, it was also expensive to build, unlike the He100 (a tad more than a 109, but a lot cheaper than the he112. 

Edited January 11, 2018 by novicebutdeadly

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

The IAR81 was introduced only in mid war when the He 112 already had passed a good part of it's service life. From memory the Heinkels were recognized for their nice cockpit with lots of non standard instrumentation like ammo counters, good radios and favourable flight characteristics which in combination with the wide undercarriage made it suitable for fighter pilot training. Due to the restriction of only utilizing not mass produced engine types such as the Jumo 210 the aircraft never could reach it's intendet performemce but the aerodynamical qualities of the design were good nonetheless.

 

The buggest blow to the He 112 was the restrictions of export by the rLM as soon as the war broke out which prevented critical supply of replacement aircraft and spare parts. That eventually had more impact on the steady fading of the Heinkels than combat.

 

As a contender for the I-16, Bf109 E7 and Lagg-3 the He 112 is still a capable aircraft.

Edited January 11, 2018 by 6./ZG26_5tuka

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Considering that the Luftwaffe had pretty much phased out all JuMo 210 powered Aircraft by the Invasion of Poland (except for a few Nightfighter 109 Squadrons), the 112B was a very much out of it's depth by the time the Romanians used it in Battle. 

Had they gotten around to fitting it with DB600s, let's say from the He-111Ps which were being retired, History may have held the 112B in much higher regard.

[Finkeren]

Had they gotten around to fitting it with DB600s, let's say from the He-111Ps which were being retired, History may have held the 112B in much higher regard.

I dunno, man, it is kinda ugly. Looks like a Ju 87 and a Spitfire had a mid-air collision and made a baby.

 

Can ugly planes be legendary? Sure there is the Hurricane, but I consider its popularity an anomaly.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

It's not too bad.

 

 

[Asgar]

I dunno, man, it is kinda ugly. Looks like a Ju 87 and a Spitfire had a mid-air collision and made a baby.

 

Can ugly planes be legendary? Sure there is the Hurricane, but I consider its popularity an anomaly.

you are the guy who likes the MiG-3. you tell me 

[Voidhunger]

They said multiple times they won't make the IAR.

I. think that "poll" was just a publicity stunt.

Hmm never heard of this. Jason said that?

 

I think that we wanted iar and russians wanted mc202. They won.

[Finkeren]

you are the guy who likes the MiG-3. you tell me 

 

Yeah, the MiG-3 is kind of an anomaly as well, though from the opposite end of the spectrum in that it is not really "legendary" the way a Spitfire or P-51 is, despite being objectively the most beautiful machine ever created.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Beauty aside the design allowed Heinkel to fit a larger more effecient prop and increase lift without significantly increasing wing span. Gull wing designs were common for high performence sports and aerobatic aircraft of the time since it offers favourable flight characteristics in terms of manouvrebility, so there is really nothing odd about it at all (aside from the clean teardrop canopy which at the time was revolutionary)
 

Edited January 11, 2018 by 6./ZG26_5tuka

[hames123]

I dunno, man, it is kinda ugly. Looks like a Ju 87 and a Spitfire had a mid-air collision and made a baby.

 

Can ugly planes be legendary? Sure there is the Hurricane, but I consider its popularity an anomaly.

You take that back.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

IAR81 is a ground attack enhancement of the 80. It could basically be a mod like the 190 has.

[Heliopause]