Really excited about tanks

[Holey_Tail]

I'm surprised there isn't more buzz about this.  Am I missing some section of the forums I should be posting in?  Anyhow, after having (with great regret) finally given up and uninstalled War Thunder a few months back, this looks really exciting.  I have a ton of questions, but maybe I should wait until it gets its own forum section?

[WIS-Redcoat]

I think until there are more details, it'll be quiet.

[Max_Damage]

I wonder if there will be arcade mode similar to the one in WT/armored warfare where you dont need several people in 1 tank to play.

[Holey_Tail]

Well, it is almost a year before this is released.  I guess I'll just have to be patient.  I miss my tanks, but WT had turned into complete garbage.  I certainly hope that it will be doable with one person.  Teaming up with randoms might be fun, but driving your own tank, even with a slight handicap from switching positions, would be nice too.

[216th_Jordan]

Well, it is almost a year before this is released.  I guess I'll just have to be patient.  I miss my tanks, but WT had turned into complete garbage.  I certainly hope that it will be doable with one person.  Teaming up with randoms might be fun, but driving your own tank, even with a slight handicap from switching positions, would be nice too.

 

You can switch positions in tanks already, right now only driver and cannon station are modelled though.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I wonder if there will be arcade mode similar to the one in WT/armored warfare where you dont need several people in 1 tank to play.

 

Already can work that way. You drive the tank and the AI gunner will handle targeting and firing. If you want to you can easily take control just as you do with the aircraft right now.

 

So the basics are already there and ready to go. Maybe they will enhance the feature.

 

Well, it is almost a year before this is released.  I guess I'll just have to be patient.  I miss my tanks, but WT had turned into complete garbage.  I certainly hope that it will be doable with one person.  Teaming up with randoms might be fun, but driving your own tank, even with a slight handicap from switching positions, would be nice too.

 

Definitely is doable already as the AI will control the turret while you drive. I think they will work to seriously refine the mechanics currently in place for the PzIII and T-34 that we can already drive and that it will be a really enjoyable experience either operating the tank by yourself or with friends if you want to.

 

A dedicated forum space for tanks and armored vehicle discussion might be useful. I'm sure they will set that and the Flying Circus areas up as we get into early access for those. I think there is a low level of hype right now but once more details start to come out we'll see more.

 

IMHO, I'm already impressed with some of what they have revealed on early work with tank treads and tree collisions.

 

[Holey_Tail]

 

 

IMHO, I'm already impressed with some of what they have revealed on early work with tank treads and tree collisions.

 

That does look nice.  I have absolutely no confidence in my ability to manage flying, so I don't think I'll invest in any of the current games just to play the two currently available tanks.

[216th_Jordan]

That does look nice. I have absolutely no confidence in my ability to manage flying, so I don't think I'll invest in any of the current games just to play the two currently available tanks.

Its all about learning it!

[Yogiflight]

 

 

That does look nice. I have absolutely no confidence in my ability to manage flying, so I don't think I'll invest in any of the current games just to play the two currently available tanks.

You could join a bomber or ground attacker as gunner.

[Finkeren]

Trust me: I am very excited

 

A proper WW2 tank sim with more than just a couple drivable tanks has been a dream of mine for many years.

 

Still, there is so much to get excited about right around the corner, that I hardly have time to speculate about the slew of awesome stuff coming over the next year.

[DressedWings]

I'm cautiously excited, I hope DMs are expanded on with the expansion. 

 

Can't wait for that M4A2  

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

If it emulates T34 vs Tiger Sim, it would be absolutely awesome.

 

Edited January 6, 2018 by -=PHX=-Spartan-

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

I think very few people are aware that Tank Crew exists. It is hard to find outside these forums.

 

I suspect that the interest here is not the highest because most come for the flight sims.

 

Tank Crew is something that War Thunder and ARMA players could really appreciate. However, it seems most of them are unaware.

[ShamrockOneFive]

That does look nice.  I have absolutely no confidence in my ability to manage flying, so I don't think I'll invest in any of the current games just to play the two currently available tanks.

 

Fair enough. Flying isn't for everyone but if you do want to try and get in on things, now is not a bad time as everything is on sale.

 

Last night I was on the EU Normal server and there was a wave of tanks moving against our base (spend enough time near the base and the tanks will capture it). It was a tense standoff between vehicles on the ground, our fighters, their fighters, and some anti-tank efforts. The tanks won actually.

 

It makes me excited about future opportunities both for these less serious capture the base kinds of scenarios as well as more serious campaigns. The interaction between tanks, SPAA, and the already pre-existing fighter/attacker/bomber dynamic will be really exciting.

[Holey_Tail]

It turns out I do own CoD Blitz through my long ago purchase of CoD for like $5 or something.  Spent a few minutes goofing around solo, and the only stumbling block to flying is really the need to invest in a joystick, which is an expense I can't justify until I get a new job.

 

Trust me: I am very excited

A proper WW2 tank sim with more than just a couple drivable tanks has been a dream of mine for many years.

Still, there is so much to get excited about right around the corner, that I hardly have time to speculate about the slew of awesome stuff coming over the next year.

 

I really thought we would get that with WT.  I have to give them credit: the models are beautiful, the controls were easy to use, the performance (automotive/guns/armor) was generally realistic.  The game design was just awful.  WWII focus was a lie (the creep has gone well into the '70s), the maps are tiny little mosh pits, and the nonsense prototypes and fictional vehicles due to the infantile obsession with balance leave you with garbage like the French teamed up with the Germans against the US/UK with vehicles from 20 years apart on the same battlefield.

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

WWII focus was a lie (the creep has gone well into the '70s), the maps are tiny little mosh pits, and the nonsense prototypes and fictional vehicles due to the infantile obsession with balance leave you with garbage like the French teamed up with the Germans against the US/UK with vehicles from 20 years apart on the same battlefield.

Yep this was what wrecked it for me along with simulator tank battles being relegated to events only.

 

I couldn't stand the planes in WT. For me it was tanks only.

 

Excited to get back into my Sd.Kfz.171

[Holey_Tail]

I think very few people are aware that Tank Crew exists. It is hard to find outside these forums.

 

I suspect that the interest here is not the highest because most come for the flight sims.

 

Tank Crew is something that War Thunder and ARMA players could really appreciate. However, it seems most of them are unaware.

 

It's strange.  Google returns almost no results.  I found out by pure chance weeks after the announcement.  I don't know much about marketing (I couldn't synergize a paradigm if it partnered with my solution provider), but you would think they should be trying to get the word out.  Maybe they're waiting until they have something more to show?

 

Yep this was what wrecked it for me along with simulator tank battles being relegated to events only.

 

I couldn't stand the planes in WT. For me it was tanks only.

 

Excited to get back into my Sd.Kfz.171

 

I remember back when it was still mostly not awful, one of the first times I played sim on the river village map (before it shrank 75%), hunting Tiger IIs in my IS-2.  Sweaty hands and a racing heart the whole time.

 

​It spoiled me on planes.  I love military aircraft from about 1930-45, and there was this huge lineup!  I played RB (like a filthy casual​ ).  I thought it had a nice mix of fairly plausible flying and ease of access.  I was not terribly good, but decent.  Of course, it turned into a festering pile of crap with Japanese Corsairs fighting American Fw. 190s, prototypes and flat out made up aircraft, time travel, etc.  Now I look at all these instructions about prop pitch, radiators, using the bombsights, etc., and I feel like Greenspan is explaining the mortgage crisis to me.

Edited January 7, 2018 by Holey_Tail

[Field-Ops]

I think the marketing for Tank Crew wont ramp up until pre-purchase opens up. No need to dump dollars into marketing when you cant sell it yet. BoK had some adds on facebook and the like from what I remember last year. 

[unreasonable]

I think very few people are aware that Tank Crew exists. It is hard to find outside these forums.

 

I suspect that the interest here is not the highest because most come for the flight sims.

 

Tank Crew is something that War Thunder and ARMA players could really appreciate. However, it seems most of them are unaware.

 

To be fair at the moment TC is little more than an idea. There is no point marketing the product until you have something to show people in video demonstrations and some idea of the time frame for release. Jason just wanted to show the inner circle of elite players (us ) something now because he needed us to understand why the Pacific series had been canned  indefinitely delayed and make up for it with alternative goodies.

 

I do not expect TC for at least a year, so no benefit to building up anticipation now.

Edited January 7, 2018 by unreasonable

[Feathered_IV]

I'll wait to see how the gameplay looks.  If its just players butting heads in MP with a few canned missions tacked on for singleplayer, I'll probably give it a miss.  However if the gameplay contains a good element of what it was like to be a part of a Tank Crew, then I'll be very keen indeed. 

[Finkeren]

I'll wait to see how the gameplay looks. If its just players butting heads in MP with a few canned missions tacked on for singleplayer, I'll probably give it a miss. However if the gameplay contains a good element of what it was like to be a part of a Tank Crew, then I'll be very keen indeed.

Conversely I think, that Tank Crew has potential for much more exciting MP out of the gate than BoX.

 

The slower speeds and longer engagement ranges as well as line-of-sight playing a hugely important role, means that tactics and coordination between players will come much more naturally. I mean even in World Of Tanks it did.

 

If they could work in some kind of incentive for players not to defend an objective to the last man but actually retreat, it would be even greater.

 

I am hopeful that MP will be the main attraction of TC.

[hames123]

I cannot wait for this. I hope there is a career mode, and campaigns, and a quick mission builder for when you need a 20 vs 20 Mark IV vs T-34 fight.

[162nd-YU-Markoni]

Tank crew is something great. I am hopping it will live up. 

[Asgar]

I cannot wait for this. I hope there is a career mode, and campaigns, and a quick mission builder for when you need a 20 vs 20 Mark IV vs T-34 fight.

that doesn't seem very fair.

vs. 

[Herne]

I drove a tank for one sortie on one of the WoL maps, I found it quite novel, but quickly jumped back into the cockpit and haven't looked back.

 

This is one title I will not pre - order, but decide post release if it is really something I want to try or not. At first I thought if I buy it I'm supporting the team, then it occurred to me, in this case its also kind of like a vote. I'm here for the air combat. 

No doubt there is huge potential for a single player tank campaign though. Lots of MP options out there already, but very little in terms of a single player story / campaign. Time will tell just how popular it is.

[Asgar]

well, WoL shouldn't be the deciding factor...otherwise no one would ever like this game

[Herne]

well, WoL shouldn't be the deciding factor...otherwise no one would ever like this game

 

Similar experience for me in WT though, Tanks when they first came out were novel, but I'd much rather jump in a plane. I'll wait for post release, watch some YT vids, and then decide.

[unreasonable]

I drove a tank for one sortie on one of the WoL maps, I found it quite novel, but quickly jumped back into the cockpit and haven't looked back.

 

This is one title I will not pre - order, but decide post release if it is really something I want to try or not. At first I thought if I buy it I'm supporting the team, then it occurred to me, in this case its also kind of like a vote. I'm here for the air combat. 

 

No doubt there is huge potential for a single player tank campaign though. Lots of MP options out there already, but very little in terms of a single player story / campaign. Time will tell just how popular it is.

 

That is pretty much where I am too. I remember an old game called Panzer Elite by Wings Studio: good SP campaigns where you had to use fairly realistic tactics to win. I want something like that.

 

If TC is MP oriented I will not buy it, let alone pre-order.  I do not buy things I do not want to support a developer - to make more things I do not want.  Bodenplatte, pre-ordered. Flying Circus on a 100km square map? Probably not. MP tanks? Definitely not.

[Asgar]

Similar experience for me in WT though, Tanks when they first came out were novel, but I'd much rather jump in a plane. I'll wait for post release, watch some YT vids, and then decide.

i enjoy jumping in a tank now and then, especially if you have enough people for a group of 4-5 tanks and 3-4 people in the air providing cover and recon 

[hames123]

Imagine a career mode for the tank sim. Many Soviet ones will end on day one, given that they were dug in on the defense lines and fought to the death usually, taking a heavy toll on the Germans but getting knocked out themselves(unless you are part of the reserves). The German one will be a slog through line after line of AT guns and occasional Soviet counterattacks.

 

Maybe when you get knocked out you and you crew can escape by bailing out and running a certain distance from the nearest enemy troops without getting killed. If so, you can get into another tank and continue the campaign. Might be a harrowing experience for a German tank knocked out by Soviet infantry with AT grenades, knowing they are going to have to run the gauntlet of close range SMG and rifle fire or stay and cook in their tank.

Edited January 9, 2018 by hames123

[Guest deleted@50488]

I have to confess I don't like tanks...

 

They all have awful coeficient of lift, although the turn rates are better than that of even the Spitfire Mk  Vb

[hames123]

I have to confess I don't like tanks...

 

They all have awful coeficient of lift, although the turn rates are better than that of even the Spitfire Mk Vb

I am quite certain that that is untrue for the Tiger, which has an epically slow turret traverse rate.

[unreasonable]

Imagine a career mode for the tank sim. Many Soviet ones will end on day one, given that they were dug in on the defense lines and fought to the death usually, taking a heavy toll on the Germans but getting knocked out themselves(unless you are part of the reserves). The German one will be a slog through line after line of AT guns and occasional Soviet counterattacks.

 

Maybe when you get knocked out you and you crew can escape by bailing out and running a certain distance from the nearest enemy troops without getting killed. If so, you can get into another tank and continue the campaign. Might be a harrowing experience for a German tank knocked out by Soviet infantry with AT grenades, knowing they are going to have to run the gauntlet of close range SMG and rifle fire or stay and cook in their tank.

 

Career mode was effectively what Panzer elite was, although linear and not randomized. You had both crew and vehicle management, within a platoon sized unit.  Actually, in the Moscow - Bodenplatte series, both (all three?) sides would have had defensive and offensive operations on each of the maps, (in 1942 in the case of the BoK map for the Germans), so plenty of variety possible whatever side and period you pick.  

 

But to do this you essentially need either to use the larger flying maps - which creates problems with ground modeling - or a series of smaller detailed maps. A single Kursk map would make one or two SP campaigns viable - but is the cheap option for MP.

[marklar]

 

 

the infantile obsession with balance leave you with garbage like the French teamed up with the Germans against the US/UK with vehicles from 20 years apart on the same battlefield

 

I don't know what mode you were playing but this is definitely not a case in the sim mode. In tiers 1-4 allies fight against axis and in postwar tier 5 soviets fight against NATO members. There is no chance that French could be teamed up with the Germans against the US/UK.

[Holey_Tail]

I don't know what mode you were playing but this is definitely not a case in the sim mode. In tiers 1-4 allies fight against axis and in postwar tier 5 soviets fight against NATO members. There is no chance that French could be teamed up with the Germans against the US/UK.

 

Plenty of screenshots of people playing the Franco-German alliance.

 

They stopped offering sim a long time ago, except in events (where it was generally vaguely historic).  There was plenty of postwar stuff running around if you went past tier III.  Panther vs. PT-76, that sort of nonsense.  It's even possible to get stuff from the '50s in Tier III (ASU-57, and maybe some others).  Even if by some miracle you wound up with things from the same decade, the Germans and Japanese on the same team vs. the US/USSR on the other is not anywhere close to realistic.  The other problem is that every country 'had' to have a lineup just like everyone else.  Gives you trees full of prototypes and fictional vehicles.  Not to mention the horrible mess where the Japanese and French have tons of American equipment as filler.

[Thad]

Salutations, 

 

I am pumped about the upcoming Tank addition to IL2.

 

I am hopeful the current line of sight situation is addressed. Right now nothing blocks the line of sight for AI controlled tanks. They can see and fire through wooded areas at targets. They can also spot through ground elevations but not fire 'through. them. Although that doesn't stop them from attempting to fire through the ground at the targets behind. Therefore wasting ammunition. This situation must be corrected for any useful and or realistic use of AI controlled tanks.

 

If this is corrected... things will start to get real in tank missions.

[Mesha44]

I wonder if it is possible to have different LoD based on the vehicle you occupy? That way an aircraft flying over Stalingrad sees an average LoD, while a tank driving through the city gets a much more detailed view.

Edited January 9, 2018 by Mesha44

[marklar]

 

 

Plenty of screenshots of people playing the Franco-German alliance.

 

 

Complete nonsense or you are talking about AB/RB modes. French tanks were added to the game only 4 weeks ago and the only place they could be lined up with German tanks is tier 5 Cold War battles.

 

The rest of your post is true. WW2 tanks fight against post war vehicles but it's inevitable if you want to balance a multiplayer game. Imagine team of King Tigers against IS2. The battle would last max. 2min.

[hames123]

 

 

Complete nonsense or you are talking about AB/RB modes. French tanks were added to the game only 4 weeks ago and the only place they could be lined up with German tanks is tier 5 Cold War battles.

 

The rest of your post is true. WW2 tanks fight against post war vehicles but it's inevitable if you want to balance a multiplayer game. Imagine team of King Tigers against IS2. The battle would last max. 2min.

Well yes. It would be rather quick and bloody, and the end result will probably be slightly tilted in the Germans favor, depending on how open said map is.

[Max_Damage]

I drove a tank for one sortie on one of the WoL maps, I found it quite novel, but quickly jumped back into the cockpit and haven't looked back.

 

This is one title I will not pre - order, but decide post release if it is really something I want to try or not. At first I thought if I buy it I'm supporting the team, then it occurred to me, in this case its also kind of like a vote. I'm here for the air combat. 

 

No doubt there is huge potential for a single player tank campaign though. Lots of MP options out there already, but very little in terms of a single player story / campaign. Time will tell just how popular it is.

Try ACTION DOGFIGHT AND TANKS for tanks lol.

 

Who needed war thunder for tanks anyway :D

 

 

Complete nonsense or you are talking about AB/RB modes. French tanks were added to the game only 4 weeks ago and the only place they could be lined up with German tanks is tier 5 Cold War battles.

 

The rest of your post is true. WW2 tanks fight against post war vehicles but it's inevitable if you want to balance a multiplayer game. Imagine team of King Tigers against IS2. The battle would last max. 2min.

 

They need to add armor fatigue like they should of done a couple of years back. IRL there were no terminator tanks.

Edited January 10, 2018 by Max_Damage