LaFN or Yak1b?

[162nd-YU-Markoni]

Should i but Yak1b or should i buy and wait for La-FN? 

You can say my skills are medium. So is yak1b capable enough for fight against LW? 

Do you expect that La-5FN will be more capable to fight LW in a hands of medium skilled Il-2 pilot?

[Warpig]

Yak if you prefer to dogfight. La-5FN if you prefer to energy fight.

[Fauster]

The planes aren't tremendously different from their "vanilla" counterparts. Which of those do you prefer to fly?

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Well, the FN has a different engine and canopy, the Yak has 'only' a new canopy and aerodynamical refinements. One is a fast heavy hitter for low altitude while the other is a light medium altitude interceptor. Really depends on you prefference on tactics and flying since both are pretty potent competitors.

[Finkeren]

A few simple points:

 

The Yak-1b you can fly now, the La-5FN is at least 1 month out still (more likely 2 months)

 

The differences between the La-5 and the La-5FN will be much more pronounced than the differences between Yak-1 s. 69 and Yak-1b.

 

The Yak-1b is a superlative dogfighter and very easy to use effectively. The La-5FN is heavier, much more powerful and faster but requires more from its pilot.

 

The Yak-1b will be available for almost the entire BoK campaign in career mode, the La-5FN only really fits in the latter part of 1943.

 

The La-5FN arguably has better survivability because of its tough radial engine, but both planes are quite sturdy.

 

The La-5FN has very short range and endurance, the Yak slightly longer.

[162nd-YU-Markoni]

Thanks. When i started playing Il-2 i was thinking i would only fly Yak-1 69. But it turned out that i am flying LaGG-3. 

I only play multiplayer. And i like LaGG. I can take a beating and still survive, crash land on allied side or eject. You can say i enjoy to fly and survive. I like as much realistic as possible. I prefer to RTB alive than to get 5 kills and die in a sortie.

So if we aren't expecting FN soon i will go for Yak1b. And latter i will get FN also. 

[CIA_Yankee_]

The better aircraft is almost certainly going to be the La-5FN, BUT I'd still suggest the Yak-1b, if for the only reason that availability of the 1b is going to be higher than the La-5FN.

 

The FN is strictly a mid to late '43 airframe, so anything before that is more likely to have the 1b.

[54th_Glitter_]

Good choice!

 

Today...Yak 1b for me. Enjoyable to fly, good versus LF planes, and available now. Just for the visibility you'll get is a must int this sim. Is a real pleasure to fly and enjoy views when cruising.

 

Is a good buy now, and would be a good buy even with La5 FN available.

[Oubaas]

I guess it depends on whether you prefer lafn or would rather yak. With me, it all depends on how much I've had to drink and how late it's getting.

[Venturi]

P-39

[Wulf]

A few simple points:

 

 

 

The Yak-1b is a superlative dogfighter and very easy to use effectively. 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, but I think what Fink is trying to say here is that despite the above, the Yak, and the La, (and this includes the yet to be released FN) are still seriously disadvantaged when compared to all the Lufwaffles machines. 

 

( Dude, what the hell; check your frinking script already)

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Can you please not turn this into a LW vs VVS thread, for once.

[CastorTroy]

Would be nice if we could have a "test flight" of each model for say thirty minutes. A demo so to speak. A single plane you may be interested in purchasing, on a map to basically take off, maneuver a little bit, then land. Then said plane would be locked until purchase. Could this work on this platform and business model? And if so, why not?

Edited January 5, 2018 by CastorTroy

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

I got both. I'm looking forward to hunt Luftwaffles in my new La-5FN once it's out

 

It can supposedly outrun any German fighter with any modification until 2000m.. Cloudy days will be the best!

[Max_Damage]

Can you please not turn this into a LW vs VVS thread, for once.

no

[JtD]

I'd recommend the Yak-1 if you want the better fighter in game. It's more manoeuvrable and can sustain higher speeds at most altitudes.

 

I'd recommend the La-5FN if you want the better looking aircraft. Real aircraft use radial engines, and only the La-5 has got it.

[Herne]

Would be nice if we could have a "test flight" of each model for say thirty minutes. A demo so to speak. A single plane you may be interested in purchasing, on a map to basically take off, maneuver a little bit, then land. Then said plane would be locked until purchase. Could this work on this platform and business model? And if so, why not?

 

well, as the OP only plays MP, I would suggest it's probably in his best interest to eventually have the entire plane set anyway, especially when you consider different dates and map rotations.

 

So I would say start with the Yak 1b, as Finkeren said, it's available now, has great rear vis, and compared with the yak 1 69 and the laag 3 that the OP has been flying, it will handle beautifully. 

 

 

[56RAF_Roblex]

At the moment the Yak-1b is the best fighter available to the VVS (though the Spit is pretty close) and can match most LW fighters down low and turning. You can really throw it around without it falling out of the sky on you.  People are saying it is little more than a Yak 69 with a better canopy but boy does that canopy make a difference! You see everything.   I think the La5N will technically be better but only in the hands of a good pilot who has mastered horizontal & vertical scissors and other high speed roll based maneuvers.  If you like the Lagg-3 then you will love the LA5FN but fly it slow & with sustained turns and it will not be so hot.   Also, like all VVS aircraft it will lose any advantages above a few thousand feet.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

no

[CIA_Yankee_]

At the moment the Yak-1b is the best fighter available to the VVS (though the Spit is pretty close) and can match most LW fighters down low and turning. You can really throw it around without it falling out of the sky on you.  People are saying it is little more than a Yak 69 with a better canopy but boy does that canopy make a difference! You see everything.   I think the La5N will technically be better but only in the hands of a good pilot who has mastered horizontal & vertical scissors and other high speed roll based maneuvers.  If you like the Lagg-3 then you will love the LA5FN but fly it slow & with sustained turns and it will not be so hot.   Also, like all VVS aircraft it will lose any advantages above a few thousand feet.

 

Two points here: One, the Yak-1b is definitely better than the Yak 69, in pretty much every areas. Faster, better climber, handles better, better armament, and indeed it has that incredible canopy. It's wonderful.

 

Two, you make a good point with the La-5FN, though by all accounts it apparently is a decent turner as well, at least down low. With boost on, the FN has so much horsepower that it will power its way through tight turns. That said, it's probably still better to focus on exploiting the roll rate and fighting in the vertical. 

[Max_Damage]

la5fn is a level ahead of yak1b but i guess yak1b is still pretty good and will be more available for the campaigns and multiplayer missions.

[CrazyDuck]

Well, the FN has a different engine and canopy, the Yak has 'only' a new canopy and aerodynamical refinements. 

 

Yak-1 uses VK-105P(A) with 1050 HP at low level.

Yak-1b uses VK-105PF with 1260 HP at low level.

[JtD]

The Yak-1S69 already has the PF engine.

[162nd-YU-Markoni]

I  both yak1b. Thanks to all.

ps: yes. Visibility is much better and also overall felling.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

And first Yak-1Bs were powered by PA Engine.  

Yak-1 uses VK-105P(A) with 1050 HP at low level.

Yak-1b uses VK-105PF with 1260 HP at low level.

Yak-1 used Klimov 105P, PA and PF Engines, there is no Yak-1b in WWII they were all called Yak-1 series X. And we have two series of Yak-1 with 105PF Engines, one is a later series with Bubble Canopy and Aerodynamic Improvements, the other is an older series Razorback. 

A few series previous to our "Yak-1" series 69 still had the PA. 

Edited January 6, 2018 by 6./ZG26_Klaus-Mann

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

I'd recommend the Yak-1 if you want the better fighter in game. It's more manoeuvrable and can sustain higher speeds at most altitudes.

 

I'd recommend the La-5FN if you want the better looking aircraft. Real aircraft use radial engines, and only the La-5 has got it.

The La-5FN would be faster than the Yak-1B at high altitudes though, comparing it to the ingame Yak-1B there is only a small gap at 4000-5000 meters where it's just around 5 km/h slower. About 1B vs FN in looks.. that's a hard choice for me! xP

Edited January 6, 2018 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[216th_Jordan]

I already see FNs stalling and spinning all over the place when they make uncoordinated tight turns

 

I guess..'with great power comes great responsibility'

Edited January 6, 2018 by 216th_Jordan

[Willy__]

I would choose the FN over the 1b. Radials always! Pedal to the metal! Speeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!!! 

[ShamrockOneFive]

Yak-1 uses VK-105P(A) with 1050 HP at low level.

Yak-1b uses VK-105PF with 1260 HP at low level.

 

The Yak-1 Series 69 has the exact same engine as the Yak-1B Series 127. Both using the M-105PF (VK was used later for a designation).

 

There are many series versions of the Yak-1 (the Yak-1B is actually not a war time designation) with varying engine types.

[CrazyDuck]

The Yak-1S69 already has the PF engine.

 

In this case I stand corrected. I assumed it was the P(A) due to its availability for Battle of Moscow.

[CrazyDuck]

The Yak-1 Series 69 has the exact same engine as the Yak-1B Series 127. Both using the M-105PF (VK was used later for a designation).

 

There are many series versions of the Yak-1 (the Yak-1B is actually not a war time designation) with varying engine types.

 

Yes I see now. Yak-1 without any other designation or a letter in suffix used the P and PA engines from the beginning. Yak-1 with PF engine (despite being available for Battle of Moscow in this sim, which lead me to believe it's the P/PA version) however passed the trials in October 1942 and reached the front line during the Battle of Stalingrad (512 IAP for example).

Edited January 6, 2018 by CrazyDuck

[Finkeren]

In this case I stand corrected. I assumed it was the P(A) due to its availability for Battle of Moscow.

You can’t fly the Yak-1 in the Moscow campaign.

[CrazyDuck]

You can’t fly the Yak-1 in the Moscow campaign.

 

Aaaah ok, all clear now, thnx.

[Ribbon]

I got both. I'm looking forward to hunt Luftwaffles in my new La-5FN once it's out

 

It can supposedly outrun any German fighter with any modification until 2000m.. Cloudy days will be the best!

Yak1b is excellent LW hunter, it will catch running Fw190 if you're persistant enough and play with rads and trim.

After some time majority of them will go in turn and that's where fight ends.

If they don't have bigger E-advantage and u-17!

[216th_Jordan]

Yak1b is excellent LW hunter, it will catch running Fw190 if you're persistant enough and play with rads and trim.

After some time majority of them will go in turn and that's where fight ends.

If they don't have bigger E-advantage and u-17!

Well never underestimate a 190, I chased some that really beat me in a long fight and when I was flying 190 I was getting that too. Of course when you are glued to it 300 meters away there's no way the 190 will get away unharmed.

[Willy__]

 

 

Of course when you are glued to it 300 meters away there's no way the 190 will get away unharmed.

 

 

Rolling scissors are your best friend 

[Ribbon]

Well never underestimate a 190, I chased some that really beat me in a long fight and when I was flying 190 I was getting that too. Of course when you are glued to it 300 meters away there's no way the 190 will get away unharmed.

Majority do a mistake, lose patience and go in turn after a while, there are those who keep running making it fuel fight and those who manage to give me hard time managing to turn on me as Staiger said using rolling scissors and making me run for my life in the end.

It's all about pilot and there are some guys born to fly 190, unfortunately i'm not one of them (so far i'm hit and run).

Edited January 7, 2018 by EAF_Ribbon