=X51=VC_ Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 For me the feeling of being in a life size cockpit with a life size aircraft around me outweighs the lack of resolution - and I am running with low settings on a NVidia 970 so my resolution is about as bad as it's going to get. It's still amazing. My SA is so much better (although still bad enough that I need icons) and everything just feels so much more natural. My biggest issue at the moment is double vision through the gunsights. It also provides comic relief for my wife as I twist my head backwards and stare at her while she's sitting on the couch behind me This, totally. BTW do you not close an eye when aiming? I do this basically naturally as double vision is to be expected trying to look through a gunsight even IRL. It's also why I like the 109 offset gunsight so much.
BeastyBaiter Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 To the original poster: Finding room on the X-55 for all the in flight essentials is pretty simple. I use the toggle switches and rotaries on the throttle base for all the engine stuff + landing gear and lights. It doesn't take long at all to learn your way around the base by feel, so working that part blind really isn't a problem. Truth be told, I think around half the buttons on the throttle aren't even mapped to anything. I ran out of useful key assignments long before I ran out of 4 way hats. As for picture quality, it is certainly reduced compared to my nice big 1440p monitor, but the immersion far outweighs that disadvantage. I don't find spotting targets any harder either. Those pictures linked accurately show the image quality difference but they miss the mark massively when it comes to actual spotting. What they don't show is scale or stereoscopic vision. Depth perception combined with 1 to 1 head movement plus targets being life sized makes spotting much easier than on a high resolution monitor with TIR5 for me.
[CPT]CptJackSparrow Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 Yes spotting is nice in VR, it's Id'ing that's a pain, along with aspect.
Tomsk Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) Those pictures linked accurately show the image quality difference but they miss the mark massively when it comes to actual spotting. What they don't show is scale or stereoscopic vision. Depth perception combined with 1 to 1 head movement plus targets being life sized makes spotting much easier than on a high resolution monitor with TIR5 for me. This is all very true, stereoscopic vision helps a lot. Also a really big advantage of VR for me is that I basically never lose a contact in VR due to getting disoriented, which happened to me all the time with TIR. I just "know" where a plane should be as I maneuver, and where to look for it and how to track it visually. I think it's still noticeably harder to spot in VR than on a monitor ... but the difference is not as large as the resolution might suggest. Identification however is a serious pain. Especially if dealing with furballs, or complex situations it's just impossible to tell a lot of the time which plane is on which side. Even when you know perfectly well on a monitor you could sort the contacts with ease. Edited January 5, 2018 by Tomsk
=X51=VC_ Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) Zoom helps a lot once you get used to it. I still find actual spotting to be the bigger problem. EDIT: yes, big thumbs up on the disorientation thing. VR makes keeping track of people while flying crazy scissors feel easy... plus it's a workout! Edited January 5, 2018 by VC_
SYN_Mike77 Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 I will say, had I have seen that image prior to getting my Rift last year, I likely would not have done so either. But I am sure glad I did not and I did get the Rift. VR is not a please all currently, so much of it is personal perception. I hate you had to go through the disappointment, but hang in there I have a feeling when the next generation does come, it will be mind blowing. I should say thanks to all in the community especially dburne for helping me get the best picture I could out of my rift. It is a tradeoff for sure and I am thinking when the next generation of vr comes out I will be back in the vr game.
Scottvdken Posted January 5, 2018 Author Posted January 5, 2018 Ok, I am this close to pulling the trigger. One other question I had. I have a GTX1070, which only has the one HDMI port on the back, do you guys unplug your main monitor to use VR, or do use a DVI adapter or something?
SYN_Mike77 Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 I have a 1070 as well and it has more than one hdmi port. But if yours doesn't and you don't use your built into the monitor speakers, then use the dvi for your monitor and the hdmi for your rift. Rift headphones are pretty good and your monitor pq will not drop with dvi input.
Tomsk Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 Ok, I am this close to pulling the trigger. One other question I had. I have a GTX1070, which only has the one HDMI port on the back, do you guys unplug your main monitor to use VR, or do use a DVI adapter or something? I use the DisplayPort for my monitor (no adapter my monitor accepts DisplayPort) and HDMI is for Rift
Scottvdken Posted January 5, 2018 Author Posted January 5, 2018 I have a 1070 as well and it has more than one hdmi port. But if yours doesn't and you don't use your built into the monitor speakers, then use the dvi for your monitor and the hdmi for your rift. Rift headphones are pretty good and your monitor pq will not drop with dvi input. Huh. Maybe I'm mistaken! I'll have to look at it again when I get home from work. Any other quirks I should know about before I order? I plan on ordering brackets to mount the sensors. Anything else I should be thinking about ordering. Again, many thanks to all for the myriad of suggestions/advice.
SYN_Mike77 Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 Listen to dburne on set up, the man knows what he is talking about. He almost got my pq good enough to keep.
dburne Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) Ok, I am this close to pulling the trigger. One other question I had. I have a GTX1070, which only has the one HDMI port on the back, do you guys unplug your main monitor to use VR, or do use a DVI adapter or something? My 1080 Ti has only one HDMI. And I have two monitors. Use the HDMI on your 1070 for the Rift for sure. Use Display Port for your monitor. If your monitor does not have display port, you can get an adapter - like display port to hdmi. That is what I had to do for one of my monitors. Edited January 5, 2018 by dburne
Tomsk Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) Any other quirks I should know about before I order? I plan on ordering brackets to mount the sensors. Anything else I should be thinking about ordering. I just put the sensors on my desk and it works fine for me. However, for room-scale stuff (i.e. other than IL2 BoX) mounting the sensors is totally the way to go. I can also fully recommend a swivel chair for dogfighting, or your neck will get really tired It's worth noting that at first many people find that they can't fly for prolonged periods .. it makes people feel a little funny. This seems to wear off after a week or so for most people ... so go gently at first. Of course, some people are more or less totally immune to simulator sickness, if you are one of those people (I am pretty tollerant to it) then great. Hope you really enjoy it. The most common saying in the VR sub-group of the sim community is "never going back", and most people who try it love it. Edited January 5, 2018 by Tomsk
dburne Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) Edit, sorry was a dup. I just put the sensors on my desk and it works fine for me. However, for room-scale stuff (i.e. other than IL2 BoX) mounting the sensors is totally the way to go. I can also fully recommend a swivel chair for dogfighting, or your neck will get really tired I have my two sensors on my desk angled in slightly toward me. I have a large desk, one on each end, sensors are probably around 5.5 ft apart. I get great tracking, even with a moderate sized play area ( around 10ftx12ft). But certainly , mounting sensors is a good thing as well, at least then they won't get accidently moved... Listen to dburne on set up, the man knows what he is talking about. He almost got my pq good enough to keep. Thanks for the very kind compliment, wish I could have talked you into staying in VR but you got to really enjoy it to do so. Not to worry, better devices will come. Edited January 5, 2018 by dburne
Scottvdken Posted January 5, 2018 Author Posted January 5, 2018 I can also fully recommend a swivel chair for dogfighting, or your neck will get really tired I actually didn't even think about this. So checking my six is a full, physical 180 degree turn of the head..... is there any way to scale it, a la TrackIr, so a smaller physical movement translates to larger head movement in game? E.G turning my head 90 degrees turns a full 180 in-game?
dburne Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 I actually didn't even think about this. So checking my six is a full, physical 180 degree turn of the head..... is there any way to scale it, a la TrackIr, so a smaller physical movement translates to larger head movement in game? E.G turning my head 90 degrees turns a full 180 in-game? Nope, it is 1:1 and trust me, that is how you will want it. I too have a swivel chair which helps a little as well. Besides with the better situation awareness, your not going to be letting them get on your six so easily anymore!
dburne Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) Huh. Maybe I'm mistaken! I'll have to look at it again when I get home from work. Any other quirks I should know about before I order? I plan on ordering brackets to mount the sensors. Anything else I should be thinking about ordering. Again, many thanks to all for the myriad of suggestions/advice. If you have not run across it, have a look at this post I had done earlier last year: https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/30119-tips-new-rift-owners/ Also note that thread is in the actual VR subforum, lots of good info and experiences posted in there. Edited January 5, 2018 by dburne
Tomsk Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) Nope, it is 1:1 and trust me, that is how you will want it. I too have a swivel chair which helps a little as well. Besides with the better situation awareness, your not going to be letting them get on your six so easily anymore! Indeed, you'd feel really uncomfortable if it wasn't 1:1. I find the swivel chair helps quite a lot, and you don't need to turn your head 180 degrees as you have 55 deg FOV from center in the headset, so you can totally look with the corner of your eye so to speak. Honestly I don't find turning to check my six a big issue, adds to the immersion Edited January 5, 2018 by Tomsk
Scottvdken Posted January 5, 2018 Author Posted January 5, 2018 Besides with the better situation awareness, your not going to be letting them get on your six so easily anymore! Ha, you may be underestimating how terrible a pilot I am!
dburne Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) Ha, you may be underestimating how terrible a pilot I am! Not to worry, VR will help that. Combined with lots of flight time of course. Edited January 5, 2018 by dburne
[CPT]CptJackSparrow Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 The 1 to 1 movement is fun. A 10 minute whirling fight that devolves into a rolling scissors and high aspect shots will wear you out in short order. 3 hours of MP in VR and I'm beat.
-=[]=-little-Guardian Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 I would say, nothing beats VR when you got used to it . . . regarding the initial keyboard question, I have an X-45 HOTAS which I just love and since I don't need the coolie-hats for looking around, I put a ton of commands on those. There are four of them and if you put commands on up - down - left - right you have 16 commands in addition to the buttons. It helps if you define those exactly the same for every flightsim you play . . . ;-)
Scottvdken Posted January 6, 2018 Author Posted January 6, 2018 Ok, so I just ordered it!! Should be here by Wednesday. Thanks again all! Once last question, Oculus users - do you use one sensor, or both?
[CPT]CptJackSparrow Posted January 6, 2018 Posted January 6, 2018 Both sensors for me. Found these wall shelves that work great for the sensors. 20$
=TBAS=Sshadow14 Posted January 6, 2018 Posted January 6, 2018 One might think this ... but it's not actually how 3D renderers work: the smallest a contact can render is not at all. Additionally our eyes are good a detecting contrast, and reducing the resolution can easily leave insufficient contrast to spot. I'll repost my image comparison on how reducing the resolution affects visibility: These are the same images but at different resolutions. It's easy to see that things that are clearly visible as contacts at higher resolutions are often not seperable from the background at lower resolutions. Lol is this real? Think someone needs to turn off Dynamic res :D joke. But seriously if thats how it looks ingame its broken lols
Archie Posted January 6, 2018 Posted January 6, 2018 Question: I might get a rift just to try it, is the device registered when setting it up? Just thinking if I want to send it back if that would cause issues.
katdog5 Posted January 6, 2018 Posted January 6, 2018 Question: I might get a rift just to try it, is the device registered when setting it up? Just thinking if I want to send it back if that would cause issues. No. That was my exact idea too. I think I had 14 days to return no questions. One of my best ifeas ever.
=X51=VC_ Posted January 6, 2018 Posted January 6, 2018 Lol is this real? Think someone needs to turn off Dynamic res :D joke. But seriously if thats how it looks ingame its broken lols Yes and no. Remember in VR it has better depth of view and is 2cm from your eyeball, somewhat mitigating the apparent loss of quality. Of course it depends on personal preference but I think when you're playing on a screen you absolutely NEED the rendering to be top quality to be convincing, because you're always aware you're looking at a screen. In VR your mind is so fooled into being there for real that the quality loss is not really jarring. It's a case of perception.
Tomsk Posted January 6, 2018 Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) Lol is this real? Think someone needs to turn off Dynamic res :D joke. But seriously if thats how it looks ingame its broken lols Yes that's (more or less) the actual resolution. However, as VC_ says the experience of VR is something entirely different, it is actually like you're sitting in a plane and you totally forget that this is even a computer game. I find it so immersive that I don't even notice the resolution most of the time. So yes, that's what the resolution is like ... and yet I (and many others) won't fly without VR any more, because the experience is that good. Edited January 6, 2018 by Tomsk
Archie Posted January 6, 2018 Posted January 6, 2018 No. That was my exact idea too. I think I had 14 days to return no questions. One of my best ifeas ever. Thanks katdog!
TWHYata_PL Posted January 6, 2018 Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) I'm quite new for this game. Bought it when devs added VR support. Before I've been plying almost 3 years Elite Dangeours in VR, But IL 2 BoS especially Kuban map is so well done that I can't go back to others sims I have Vive (steam vr app set SS 3.6) paired with my Gtx 1080Ti OC + i7 8700k 5Ghz +DDR4 3000 Mhz and Gametrix Jet Seat+x52 Pro hotas. Still learning and doing Campaign . Probably in MP I will have problem with spoting but hey I'm also Pimax 8K early backer so when it"s arrive I will join to MP servers. Flight safe guys. Edited January 6, 2018 by TWHYata_PL
dburne Posted January 6, 2018 Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) I'm quite new for this game. Bought it when devs added VR support. Before I've been plying almost 3 years Elite Dangeours in VR, But IL 2 BoS especially Kuban map is so well done that I can't go back to others sims I have Vive (steam vr app set SS 3.6) paired with my Gtx 1080Ti OC + i7 8700k 5Ghz +DDR4 3000 Mhz and Gametrix Jet Seat+x52 Pro hotas. Still learning and doing Campaign . Probably in MP I will have problem with spoting but hey I'm also Pimax 8K early backer so when it"s arrive I will join to MP servers. Flight safe guys. Welcome aboard! Nice rig you have there! Yes this sim in VR is a sight to behold, it is great. Edited January 6, 2018 by dburne
Kandiru Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 1:45 PM, Tomsk said: I use the DisplayPort for my monitor (no adapter my monitor accepts DisplayPort) and HDMI is for Rift GTX1080Ti, same as you with the Odyssey.
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