I went for a ride in the Mig-3 (in game)!

[Uriah]

I was trying to play the game when my 2 year old grandson decided he wanted to take over the joy stick.   I happened to be playing a mission of the scramble Mig-3 in BOM.  So to deal with the situation I just went into Autopilot.  I guess I was expecting just level straight flight but what happened is the AI took over the plane.  So, I just went for the ride.  I looked around with my TrackIR and noticed closely what the AI was doing with the controls and when it decided to shoot at an enemy plane.   It was fun just taking the ride.  I decided to do so at the beginning at take off just to see what the AI would decide to do.  AI did things totally different than I was doing.  It likely made better choices.  I noticed the constant use and change of throttle and prop pitch.  At my Virginia apartment I can do the same because I have a CH Throttle Quadrant.  But here in my Kansas City home, I can't do that so well because I only have a joy stick and TrackIR (which I brought back home with me).  It really makes me appreciate having throttle and prop pitch controlled in one hand.   Regardless,  it was fun and educational.  You might like to try it too.

[Guest deleted@50488]

A friend who recently got into IL-2 is really enjoying the Mig-3.

 

I confess I seldom take it for a ride, probably because it is mostly advantageous at higher altitudes, but t's a charm to use just for circuit practising.

 

Thx for sharing!

 

Enjoy your Christmas !!!

[Guest deleted@83466]

You know, I avoided the Mig-3 for a long time, because some of the guys I was flying with said it sucked.  Then the flight model revisions came about, and some convinced me to fly it.  It is surprisingly capable.   I'm not taking it over the Yak-1b, but I am tending to favor it over the Yak-1 s.69

Edited December 23, 2017 by Iceworm

[Finkeren]

The MiG-3 is obviously awesome. It should come as no surprise, I mean: just look at it <3

 

I wouldn’t use the AI as a guide on how to handle the engine though.

[Uriah]

It seems very odd to me that in the Mig-3 the prop pitch control is a small wheel that seems down right inconvenient to use while the throttle and mixture are side by side and easily operated with one hand.  And it did seen rather wild to me how much the AI was moving all three about like a concert pianist would play the piano.  Finkeren's statement about not useing the AI as a guide to handle the engine is comforting.

[Willy__]

 

 

It seems very odd to me that in the Mig-3 the prop pitch control is a small wheel that seems down right inconvenient to use while the throttle and mixture are side by side and easily operated with one hand.  And it did seen rather wild to me how much the AI was moving all three about like a concert pianist would play the piano.  Finkeren's statement about not useing the AI as a guide to handle the engine is comforting.

 

You dont need to change the prop pitch that much, I guess that why its in a odd position. When I'm flying the MiG I use a lot of throttle and mixture changes, but not so much about the prop pitch. 

[Uriah]

Why so much mixture change?  I see the AI do that too.  I thought changing the mixture was a thing to be done when you have a significant change in altitude.  But I see the AI constantly changing the mixture.

[Willy__]

Unlike other planes, changing the mixture on the MiG has a greater impact on the manifold pressure, thats why.

[216th_Jordan]

Unlike other planes, changing the mixture on the MiG has a greater impact on the manifold pressure, thats why.

Mig-3 hast auto rich at 50% and full boost at 100% mixture. (as it is a mechanical regulator it will not change stepwise but gradually) There is no sense in using mixture instead of throttle except for extremely low fuel consumption.

[Uriah]

I went back and took a look at the Lagg, LA-5 and Yak and they all had throttle and mixture side by side while the prop pitch was close by but still not part of a one hand operation.  I am thinking in regards of how to get the most out of the engine during a dog fight.   In the past I just set the mixture for good running at zero to 2K meters and leaned it out at higher altitude and controlled the manifold pressure by the prop pitch and throttle.  Now I am thinking I don't understand the relationship between these three and the manifold pressure.

[303_Kwiatek]

Enjoy BOM Mig3 cause IRL Mig wasnt such fast at low alt and was know as a brick in dogfight comparing to 109. VVS would like to had such Mig like we got actually in BOM

[Willy__]

Mig-3 hast auto rich at 50% and full boost at 100% mixture. (as it is a mechanical regulator it will not change stepwise but gradually) There is no sense in using mixture instead of throttle except for extremely low fuel consumption.

 

 

Changing the mixture from 100 to 50% in other planes you barely notice any changes in RPM and Manifold Pressure, but do that on the mig and the MP will fall off a lot.

 

I also do think that the MiG is way too fast at low alts, but thats for another topic...

Edited December 25, 2017 by 3./JG15_Staiger

[216th_Jordan]

Enjoy BOM Mig3 cause IRL Mig wasnt such fast at low alt and was know as a brick in dogfight comparing to 109. VVS would like to had such Mig like we got actually in BOM

Did you actually try dogfighting in it? because its a brick

[GridiroN]

I find the MiG has a good chance if it enters the engagement with an energy advantage, but once the enemy leaves your forward arc, you're pretty dead. 

 

I really end up wanting to take it in 1941 missions because the berezin's are lyf, but I cannot justify it's complete lack of maneuverability. I always go back to the Yak s69 even with gimped rockets pods under it's wings. 

 

As far as the MiG being too fast...well, on the deck, with it's boost on, it has 1350hp which is amongst the strongest in the simulator, so it actually ends up being faster down low than it is up high, and up high a 109 is still faster, soo...it's actual purpose is kind of moot. It ends up being a poor man's La5.

Edited December 25, 2017 by GridiroN

[Herne]

I find the MiG has a good chance if it enters the engagement with an energy advantage, but once the enemy leaves your forward arc, you're pretty dead. 

 

I really end up wanting to take it in 1941 missions because the berezin's are lyf, but I cannot justify it's complete lack of maneuverability. I always go back to the Yak s69 even with gimped rockets pods under it's wings. 

 

As far as the MiG being too fast...well, on the deck, with it's boost on, it has 1350hp which is amongst the strongest in the simulator, so it actually ends up being faster down low than it is up high, and up high a 109 is still faster, soo...it's actual purpose is kind of moot. It ends up being a poor man's La5.

109 F4's ATA starts to drop off quickly at alts over 6k. the mig 3's single stage supercharger optimised for 7k makes it a very capable high altitude fighter.

[Uriah]

The mission I am playing is a scramble so there is no high altitude flying.  The point is to disrupt the bombers as much as possible.  I think there are about four 109's.  As it is BOM they must be early, maybe E4s.  But I avoid engaging them and take on the 110s.  My point being the better ability of the 109 is not the issue at hand.  Rather, to take on those pesky 110's and to do so it is helpful to understand how best to use the mix of throttle, mixture and prop pitch.  And that I do not understand.

Edited December 25, 2017 by Uriah

[GridiroN]

109 F4's ATA starts to drop off quickly at alts over 6k. the mig 3's single stage supercharger optimised for 7k makes it a very capable high altitude fighter.

 

I'm not the best fighter pilot ever, but i've tried this (dogfought a 109 at like 8k, in long, wide battle) and the 109 blitzed me still.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

I'm not the best fighter pilot ever, but i've tried this (dogfought a 109 at like 8k, in long, wide battle) and the 109 blitzed me still.

 

The 109 F-4 is good at altitude as well, it doesn't lose that much speed from 6k to 9k. Also as the manifold pressure starts to drop, I noticed the time limit increases as well (makes sense since the engine isn't as stressed).

 

 

I need to test the MiG and see how it compares, would need to know the actual radiator settings used in the irl tests so it's more comparable to irl data, similar to how the devs pointed out with the Yak-1B.

Edited December 25, 2017 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[Uriah]

I wonder if a 'mission' could be made where a single plane is controlled by the AI and it follows the scripted instructions to climb to specific altitudes and speed as fast as it can without damaging the engine.

[Willy__]

 

 

Also as the manifold pressure starts to drop, I noticed the time limit increases as well (makes sense since the engine isn't as stressed).

 

I dont experience that. Yes the MP will drop, but the RPM's stay the same, and If I leave at combat power and forget about it the engine will blow after the time limit.

[Danziger]

Wasn't the general consensus something along the lines of the MiG, Yaks, and Lavochkins being overpowered and too maneuverable while the 109s and 190s are all underpowered and not maneuverable enough? Also lets not forget Soviet Stalinwood, Staluminium, and lazergunz...

[Willy__]

Oh come on. We're having a complete nice discussion here, please stop trying to bait into some bias accusation-conversation.

Edited December 25, 2017 by 3./JG15_Staiger

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

I dont experience that. Yes the MP will drop, but the RPM's stay the same, and If I leave at combat power and forget about it the engine will blow after the time limit.

It's still labelled as Emergency Power because it's 2700 RPM but it will take a bit longer to get damaged, from 1 min to around 2-3 mins over 6k. It may not seem as much but it would also increase the limits in the intermediate regimes that come in handy, like 1.37 and 1.39 ata.

[GridiroN]

Wasn't the general consensus something along the lines of the MiG, Yaks, and Lavochkins being overpowered and too maneuverable while the 109s and 190s are all underpowered and not maneuverable enough? Also lets not forget Soviet Stalinwood, Staluminium, and lazergunz...

 

Nope.... Everything is far closer to realism than it was before. None of the 109s I encounter have any issue turning inside MiGs, or Lavochkins. It'd take a really bad 109 pilot of get outturned by an La5, or LaGG, lol. 

 

The only plane that has the ability to outturn a 109 and isn't going slower than molasses in january when it's finishes is the Yak-1B. 

[Danziger]

Oh come on. We're having a complete nice discussion here, please stop trying to bait into some bias accusation-conversation.

I was only referencing one or two of the same old faces that always show up to spread conspiracy theories.

[Willy__]

I was only referencing one or two of the same old faces that always show up to spread conspiracy theories.

 

Let me guess... does it start with B and ends with a v ? 

[Danziger]

Let me guess... does it start with 3 and ends with a k ?

Fixed that for you

[Willy__]

You're the one who started, not me   

[Alexmarine]

You're the one who started, not me

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