Stalingrad's winter wonderland.

[taffy2jeffmorgan]

Hi. I got to fly for the first time last weekend and most things point to this being a great combat flight simulation. The flight characteristics of both the 109 and the Lagg will take some getting used to after years of flying  IL-2 with all its patches and mods and " Cliffs of Dover "  both tame in comparison.

 

One thing I was wondering is that will the end product follow the battle of Stalingrad [ Summer offensive July 1942 ]  summer/winter ground texture, The winter landscape is well created but can get a little boring !

 Which ever way, we are in for a treat when we get to fly the completed product.

 

 

Thanks. 

[GA_332]

Hopefully Q2/3-2014

[Krig]

Why are people so bored of snow? It's like green grass but it's white.

And snow will be something rare soon anyway with all the global warming and what not.

[Mogster]

I'm not bored with the snow but I am intrigued by 777s digital nature engine improvements. From that perspective I I'd like to see some in game screenies of snowless landscapes.

[Tone71]

 

Why are people so bored of snow? It's like green grass but it's white.

And snow will be something rare soon anyway with all the global warming and what not.

I agree. White's boring but green isn't? I like the snow, and it's well done in the game too.

[BigMotor]

Being a skier I can't get enough snow.

 

I especially like the way they rendered vehicle tracks in the white stuff.

[Cybermat47]

Why are people so bored of snow? It's like green grass but it's white.

And snow will be something rare soon anyway with all the global warming and what not.

I guess wit's because in winter you have just white and a bit of green, while in summer you have green, light green, dark green, brown, light brown, dark brown, and flowers.

[J4SCrisZeri]

Please, summer and spring, even autumn come with tons of gradients, tones and shades. new grass, dry grass, yellow corn fields, bushes, woods and BLUE rivers.

Thw winter map is ALL white with occasional frozen rivers (a mirage of new and interesting stuff whan I cross one!) and It' desperately boring me

I hope things will chenge in the final release, maybe with the consequences f war (dirt, towns in flames, smoke columns, Stalingrad itself...etc...)

Edited December 24, 2013 by J4Scriszeri

[IonicRipper]

Why are people so bored of snow? It's like green grass but it's white.

And snow will be something rare soon anyway with all the global warming and what not.

No signs of global warming in Canada this year. We already received over 90cm of snow since November!

[Fifi]

So long since i've seen snow...it kind of miss me sometime, so no boring time to me so far, with BOS snow map 

 

But to avoid the boring effect, obviously the best is to get different seasons map!...and plenty planes to fly! 

[IIN8II]

Im not bored with the snow at all. Looks too damn beautiful to me.

[Feathered_IV]

Can't say I'm in the least bit bored by the winter landscape either. Hell, it's only been five weeks. If I had a problem with it already I'd have to wonder if I was quite right in the head.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 I like the winter setting. It looks cold and lighting is so "wintery"

[siipperi]

No signs of global warming in Canada this year. We already received over 90cm of snow since November!

One of global warming's effects is increased precipitation and extream climate conditions.

 

 

But about the topic. I would love to see autumn scenery.

[Gort]

In other words, global warming creates extreme cold. Got it.

 

I like the scenario, the snow is different than other sims. Makes me feel the cold when entering the sim. They need to have a crunching sound as you walk through the snow to man up your airplane.

[Emgy]

S!

 

 I like the winter setting. It looks cold and lighting is so "wintery"

I had to play BoS to get the "white christmas" feeling because there's no snow in middle and south Norway... http://www.webcamsinnorway.com/webcams.php?viewcam=2214

 

And yes I've seen some cold winters and the lighting looks great. Also the nights with the moon and reflective snow.

Edited December 25, 2013 by Calvamos

[ShamrockOneFive]

I love the snow environment but it can get a bit boring...even IL-2 1946 it was always nice to transition to a nice green map after flying on a snowy one for a while.

[Vandal]

One of global warming's effects is increased precipitation and extream climate conditions.

 

 

But about the topic. I would love to see autumn scenery.

 

17 straight years of no increased warming and now global cooling is the new potential catastrophe.  It's all scientific welfare.  If they had real jobs and didn't depend on grants, this wouldn't even be an theory.

Edited December 26, 2013 by rlee

[SYN_Per]

Is that a fact?

[79_vRAF_Friendly_flyer]

I had to play BoS to get the "white christmas" feeling because there's no snow in middle and south Norway... http://www.webcamsinnorway.com/webcams.php?viewcam=2214

 

And yes I've seen some cold winters and the lighting looks great. Also the nights with the moon and reflective snow.

 

Yeah, bloody rotten storm and all. No snow in Oslo either.

[thx1138]

One of global warming's effects is increased precipitation and extream climate conditions.

 

 

 

 

Except for that pesky little fact of no warming for over the past 15 years. AGW is nothing more than made up science fiction for political gain.

 

Back to your regulary scheduled programming now lol

[ShamrockOneFive]

If you guys want to talk about climate change you may want to find another thread (and actually use data instead of talking points)... meanwhile if we want to talk about Stalingrad 1942-1943 its interesting to look at some baseline winter weather data. Wikipedia has some interesting information by city out there on average temperatures, precipitation, etc. by month. Stalingrad, now Volgograd has the usual section about three quarters of the way down: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volgograd

 

Some interesting bits about climate data for the region. Average high temperature during January is -3.5c, daily mean is -6.3c, average low is -9.2 and the record low is -32.6. From what I've read, temperatures during the battle dropped into the -25 to -30 degree range which, I'm not sure how many of you have experienced this kind of temperature, but its VERY cold. You notice your nose hairs freeze when stepping outside... which is very odd indeed. Not something I'd want to be out for very long in.

 

Also interesting is the average rainy and snowy days. Average rainy is 9 days and the average snowy is 20 days. My guess is that during the winter of 1943 there weren't any rainy days but I'd assume a fair bit of snow. Relative humidity is fairly high at 88% in January as well. Also not a lot of sun... 66.1 monthly mean hours of sunshine.

 

I guess I'm curious to see how the game engine will handle some of these things. Snow, snow fluries, the low temperatures on the engines performance (both good and bad), frosting on the windshield... all interesting bits and pieces for fighting in the winter. Summer conditions and a summer map would be different altogether.

[Georgio]

Considering this is quite a specific battle timescale stretching from Autumn to Spring it would be a little limiting to only have the Winter bit.

Jason and his merry band have given us a superb aperitif with the early access, I would be a little disapointed if the main course was anything less than a feast. In fact I would expect to have the whole six courses with the initial German dominance followed by the inevitable German isolation and eventual surrender of the sixth Army.

[siipperi]

Except for that pesky little fact of no warming for over the past 15 years. AGW is nothing more than made up science fiction for political gain.

 

Back to your regulary scheduled programming now lol

My answer:

 

 

 

Do you have a link to that study case I would like to read it. I have read something similar which makes great points but are normally just speaking about short periods of time and don't even try to see future scenes.

Generally when studying if global warmingis really the real thing we must understand that we can't just take to account short periods of time because there is a lot of different shorter periods of climate changes that we know less such as NAO. There is lot of shorter and more regional changes that normally affect to winds (in certain minor cases but this is normally effect of , precipitation and temperature. Then we must understand Sun's impact to our temperature. As far as I know we are living under more passive period of the sun which cools global temperature. But I won't go deeper and make fool of myself because I have studied only a little a bit astronomy and my understanding of it is limited.

Basically what I'm trying to say looking only a small picture doesn't tell the full truth and only effect of climate change isn't increased temperature. Temperature is supposed to get warmer which is totally normal, the problem is that we are increasing it with mainly fossil fuels and eutrophicating our water systems. You can be totally right that there is a lot of studies that have overestimitated the effect we are creating to climate.

Someone mentioned climate of cities. With that data you can't really study effect of climate change but you can do really interesting micro climate studies inside of cities.

 

I won't say that anyone who won't believe climate change is real is wrong because everyone can have an opinion but just because you think climate change is political claim and not believing it because of that is really strange. I would understand if someone is refering to pretty minor changes we are making and short study time in general.

This message isn't trying to offend anybody and I'm sorry if anyone is offended because of my rant.

 

 

 

Trying to write a little bit about the topic:

As far as I remember bos-team is using correct climate data for each day of the fight. Would be interesting to know how many measurement areas they have and where those are on the map.

Hopefully we see autumn or spring version of map. I really love autumn colors. Or springtime with melting snow and flooding rivers!

 

 

P.s. Sorry about off-topic Mods, but that was just too interesting subject to skip. And atleast it's somewhat related to our snowy topic.

[LukeFF]

Considering this is quite a specific battle timescale stretching from Autumn to Spring it would be a little limiting to only have the Winter bit.

Jason and his merry band have given us a superb aperitif with the early access, I would be a little disapointed if the main course was anything less than a feast. In fact I would expect to have the whole six courses with the initial German dominance followed by the inevitable German isolation and eventual surrender of the sixth Army.

 

Except that they've already said the timeframe is going to cover November '42 to February '43.

[piper]

~S~

 

Right now it is -37* wihout wind chill!

 

I fly in the snow like this all the time...talke to me about blindnes?

 

 

piper

[TyphoonOneB]

No snow in Australia so I'm happy with the snowy Stalingrad

[MadTommy]

I must admit the white/snow landscape is one of the factors that put me off this title a bit.

 

All the shots i've seen of the environment have snow covering everything... are there any terrain texture that are not 100% white?  Bombed areas? Wind blown areas? and such like that show other colours?  Juts curious.

Edited December 27, 2013 by MadTommy

[Feathered_IV]

Maybe wait for the actual game map, rather than the alpha test one we're currently flying. With regards to the amount of snow though, the devs have shown a great deal of restraint so far considering the Stalingrad encirclement was conducted during one of the coldest winters on record.

[YoYo]

Why are people so bored of snow? It's like green grass but it's white.

And snow will be something rare soon anyway with all the global warming and what not.

 

No, it isnt like a grass only - see - the snow covers all - squares, houses, roads, ice on rivers ect, without a snow You have more colours on the ground: many kind of green, browns, yellow area ect, so it isnt like a white map and just green grass only.

 

Here good example from IL-2 CoD with TF 4.0 Mod (summer/autumn):

 

 

 

In this case - in winter all map will be a white (perhaps, we will see it Today).

 

I agree with author, the only white its a little boring in more long time, but in BoS we will have a period of Operaton Uranus - and directly 19 November of 1942 (when the BoS will be) on Stalingrad and surrounding fell abundant snow so its correct. Just I hope in the future it will be a little bigger period, from summer 1942 as Fall Blau started.

Edited December 27, 2013 by YoYo

[ShamrockOneFive]

The thing I keep hearing about in terms of the future of this product is jumping forward to spring summer 1943 to places like the Kuban region or Kursk. So I would assume that we will either see a summer or fall Stalingrad map or a spring summer map from another region before too long. The number of additional flyable aircraft needed to make Kuban work for example is fairly small and Battle of Stalingrad gives us a solid base of types that would see additional variants added instead of entirely new aircraft - I would assume this would make production times on certain aircraft much shorter (i.e. the work to make a Bf109G-6 from a G-2 or a LaGG-3 Series 35 from a Series 29).

 

So I wouldn't sweat the winter map too much. It'll be great fun and we've seen the engine produces the colours, even if they are fairly monochromatic, beautifully.