Nvidia GTX1060 3GB upgrade

[Jabo_68*]

I am considering upgrading my GPU (Radeon HD8750) to a Nvidia GTX1060 3GB .  Is this a wise move considering the problems this game has been having with Nvidia cards?

[dburne]

I personally would go with a 1070 if you can, but am sure the 1060 will be fine as well.

 

Only Nvidia problem I am aware of with this game is with the older  700 series cards. I have not had any issues with this game and Nvidia cards, and have had it since early access days of the original BoS.

[BeastyBaiter]

I'm not aware of any issues with current nvidia cards, my 1080 TI hasn't given me any issues and I haven't heard of any popping up with other cards. Even so, I recommend the RX 580 4GB and 8GB over the GTX 1060 3GB and 6GB models respectively, but only if you can get them at comparable prices. That's a big if though, the miners love their AMD GPU's and so pricing is a bit screwy on them.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Current Nvidia cards have no issues. The GTX 1060 is a very good card for 1080p. 

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

Running on here and its great
GTX 1060 6GB runs IL2 @ 4K Ultra preset with all other options maxed out
40-45fps (30fps heavy combat)

(3GB version cannot run @ 4K in IL2 and can't run Ultra Preset with Terrain x4 @ 1080P (as this uses 3.605gb)

No issues with nvidia cards and this game
only GTX7xx under windows 10 does not work (but under win7 its fine)

Edited December 4, 2017 by =TBAS=Sshadow14

[Dakpilot]

There are instances where 3GB of Vram is currently getting very close to sub optimal, strongly recommend the 6GB option for peace of mind and to be able to take advantage of future upgrades to BoS series. Generally speaking Nvidia drivers have been better/more frequently updated for BoS, the only issue being GTX780ti and some GTX780 models however this seems to be a very specific card issue as the GTX780ti definitely seems to have a history of problems in many other games as well. The difference in price between 3 and 6 GB versions is very small when spread over the expected use you will get from it.

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Jabo_68*]

Thanks for the advice, guys.  I'll likely go with the 6GB version, as a safer bet then.  The 1070 is outside my budget unfortunately.   The RX580 is certainly an option though.  I'm running a 1080 monitor, i5 2500 8GB RAM, so I should be OK, right?

Edited December 4, 2017 by DJ-68*

[BeastyBaiter]

Yeah it should be ok for 1080p or 1440p. I used the RX480 8GB overclocked to RX 580 8GB spec to run BoS at max detail at 1440p. Minimum frame rate was well over 60 fps, though I don't remember what exactly. I think the averages were around 100 fps. The GTX 1060 6GB is similar to the RX480 8GB in DX11 (like BoS). There isn't any point in anything beyond the RX 580 or GTX 1060 6GB for you though, as the next bottleneck in the system is the CPU + RAM. Still, you should be good for about 100 fps with either GPU at max settings.

[CanadaOne]

I bought an EVGA 1060 3GB SC about two-months ago and I think it's great. A very noticeable improvement over my GTX950.

 

I used to get 20s and 30s and 40s in my FPS. Now it's pretty much locked at 60, which is the refresh rate of my monitor.

 

Apparently the 6GB is preferable, but no question the 3GB version works very well with BOX. I have no complaints at all.

[BeastyBaiter]

I'm sure it does, it's just the VRAM is a bit short. There isn't anything left for improved textures, which we know are coming soon-ish. It's one of those things where for $220, you can get a card good for a year, or for $250 you can get one good for 2-3 years. Spending the extra $30 makes a whole hell of a lot of sense.

[CanadaOne]

I'm sure it does, it's just the VRAM is a bit short. There isn't anything left for improved textures, which we know are coming soon-ish. It's one of those things where for $220, you can get a card good for a year, or for $250 you can get one good for 2-3 years. Spending the extra $30 makes a whole hell of a lot of sense.

 

I'm sure you are right.

 

At the time, though, the $50 difference (here) mattered, and one cannot always get what they want, but often you can get what they need.

[Jabo_68*]

Looks like I need to upgrade my CPU and RAM as well.  Any suggestions?

Edited December 5, 2017 by DJ-68*

[CanadaOne]

As a complete non-expert, I'd say stick with 8GB of RAM. Check out some YouTube videos on this question. Often as not, the difference between 8 and 16GB of RAM is single digit %.

[BeastyBaiter]

There is no difference between 8GB and 16GB until your system needs more than 8GB, at which point it's endless stutters and freezes. BoS gets close to the limit with windows 10, but doesn't exceed it. DCS 2.x will break that limit in a heartbeat though. Regardless, I don't think you need a new CPU just yet, not for BoS at least when playing at 1080p/1440p @ 60 fps.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Agreed, no need for a new CPU unless it’s being overwhelmed by other software.

[Dakpilot]

It should be fairly easy to see how much ram is being used running BoS in your typical usage, using task manager or other program, as said if you are not using more than 8gb an upgrade to 16gb will not help performance, having overhead is nice but it is not critical until it's critical

 

i5 2600 is still a decent performer in many aspects especially at 1080p paired with 1060,if you have a K version a modest overclock will give easy boost

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[CanadaOne]

 

i5 2600 is still a decent performer in many aspects especially at 1080p paired with 1060,if you have a K version a modest overclock will give easy boost

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

Agree 100%.

 

If you watch comparison videos between older CPUs like the i5-2500 and newer ones like the i5-6500, the difference is often incremental. My kid has my old game rig with an i5-2500/4GB DDR3/560ti in it and she wants it to be a bit faster, so I'm throwing in a GTX950 I have leftover from a build and I bought her a new SSD to replace the ancient HD. Those changes are going to give a nice boost. But I see no reason to change the CPU & MB, at a cost of hundreds of dollars, for what might be a less than noticeable performance gain. (I'll double up the RAM later.)

 

 

There's a guy on Youtube, "Tech Deals", and I think he's pretty smart. He compared an i5-2400 and an i5-6400 and the average frame rate in GTA V was 69 for the older CPU and 74 for the newer CPU.

 

If I was on a budget, I'd keep the i5-2500 and get the best video card I could with the savings.

[Jabo_68*]

OK then I'll just upgrade my GPU.  I'll be happy to just to get a consistent 60 fps on high/ultra settings.

Thanks everyone.

 

David

[BeastyBaiter]

The RX 580 8GB or GTX 1060 6GB should provide a solid 60 fps at absolute max detail (except maybe 2x AA) with that CPU and RAM at 1440p.

[Fishbed64]

AMD cards are still much more CPU hungry(cpu overhead in DX11) and overall Nvidia drivers and support is still better...i have several RX cards and GTX1060 in my PC this year,last shootout i did was less than month ago between Sapphire RX570 MINI and Gigabyte GTX1060 3gb MINI(which i have now) ,with my current CPU(i5 4440 @3,2ghz) GTX 1060 3gb was definitely faster than RX570 in IL2 BOS(i have even video from BOS with both cards which i upload to YT right now and post here)...so for you with your i5 2500 ,Nvidia GTX1060 is much better choice that also consume much less power than RX580 which is important if you also have some older PSU...

Edited December 9, 2017 by Fishbed64

[Fishbed64]

I'm sure it does, it's just the VRAM is a bit short. There isn't anything left for improved textures, which we know are coming soon-ish. It's one of those things where for $220, you can get a card good for a year, or for $250 you can get one good for 2-3 years. Spending the extra $30 makes a whole hell of a lot of sense.

This is strongly dependent on where you live,in my country right now cheapest GTX 1060 6gb cost almost 100$ more than cheap GTX 1060 3gb version,cheapest RX570 cost 60$ more than GTX1060 3gb...RX580s are pure stupidity for current prices in my country.

[Fishbed64]

There it is RX570 vs GTX1060 3gb CPU i5 4440 ,1080p res. HIGH settings with 4x AA, driver settings was default for both cards expect +25% power limit for RX570 so its hold max boost clock 1244mhz with no dips 

       

Edited December 9, 2017 by Fishbed64

[BeastyBaiter]

We're talking about the RX 580, not 570. The RX 570, in theory, is in competition with the GTX 1050 TI. Miners have messed up that pricing, but that's what it's supposed to be. Also, I had an RX 480 8GB only a few months ago, I know how it performs in BoX with both an i5-4690 (3.5-3.9 GHz) and R5 1600x (4.0 GHz).

[Fishbed64]

We're talking about the RX 580, not 570. The RX 570, in theory, is in competition with the GTX 1050 TI. Miners have messed up that pricing, but that's what it's supposed to be. Also, I had an RX 480 8GB only a few months ago, I know how it performs in BoX with both an i5-4690 (3.5-3.9 GHz) and R5 1600x (4.0 GHz).

You clearly dont know much about GPUs  ...RX570 is NOT GTX1050Ti competition, RX570 is much faster card, there is like 10% difference between RX570 and RX580,i also have not one but two different RX480s(reference and MSI Gaming 4gb model)...RX570 is rival for GTX1060 3gb model but in some DX11 games GTX 1060 is up to 20% faster...

both cards are good ,but overall Nvidia is better choice in this case,especially with slower CPU. 

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

and if the Game has physx (about 1/3 of the market) then the ATI card will look like crap and the game also

Physx games on ATI cards are crap.

[BeastyBaiter]

You clearly dont know much about GPUs  ...RX570 is NOT GTX1050Ti competition, RX570 is much faster card, there is like 10% difference between RX570 and RX580,i also have not one but two different RX480s(reference and MSI Gaming 4gb model)...RX570 is rival for GTX1060 3gb model but in some DX11 games GTX 1060 is up to 20% faster...

both cards are good ,but overall Nvidia is better choice in this case,especially with slower CPU. 

 

And you would still be wrong. As said, we are talking about the RX 580, not the 570. Stop trying to make it about the 570. Secondly, the MSRP of the RX 570 is about $170 USD, a little more than the 1050 TI but closer to it than the GTX 1060 3GB. Third, the MSRP on the RX 580 4GB is $200, the MSRP on the GTX 1060 3GB is also $200. That makes them the direct competitors. Now you would be hard pressed to find either the 570 or 580 anywhere near MSRP, but if you do, they are solid winners over their GTX 1050 TI and GTX 1060 rivals.

 

You really ought to watch that video you linked. He confirms everything I just posted in the first 45 seconds of the video.

 

Shadow: I'm pretty sure I've seen a game with physix enabled at some point in the last 20 years, but I honestly couldn't tell you what. It's been a dead technology for a long time, and so has ATI for that matter. They got bought out by AMD long ago.

Edited December 10, 2017 by BeastyBaiter

[Dakpilot]

Many current games use physx, but it is done on the CPU it does not matter AMD or Nvidia

 

Cheers, Dakpilot

[Fishbed64]

And you would still be wrong. As said, we are talking about the RX 580, not the 570. Stop trying to make it about the 570. Secondly, the MSRP of the RX 570 is about $170 USD, a little more than the 1050 TI but closer to it than the GTX 1060 3GB. Third, the MSRP on the RX 580 4GB is $200, the MSRP on the GTX 1060 3GB is also $200. That makes them the direct competitors. Now you would be hard pressed to find either the 570 or 580 anywhere near MSRP, but if you do, they are solid winners over their GTX 1050 TI and GTX 1060 rivals.

 

You really ought to watch that video you linked. He confirms everything I just posted in the first 45 seconds of the video.

 

Shadow: I'm pretty sure I've seen a game with physix enabled at some point in the last 20 years, but I honestly couldn't tell you what. It's been a dead technology for a long time, and so has ATI for that matter. They got bought out by AMD long ago.

 

We talking about performance, MSRP have absolutely nothing to do with that...  you are very delusional...RX 570 and 580 are right now more expensive than GTX1060 and with +-same performance (dependent on the game)they have much higher power consumption,so a don't see where they won in anything,right now...   

[BeastyBaiter]

A sensible person would actually read the post they are replying to before disputing it and calling the poster delusional.

 

 

And you would still be wrong. As said, we are talking about the RX 580, not the 570. Stop trying to make it about the 570. Secondly, the MSRP of the RX 570 is about $170 USD, a little more than the 1050 TI but closer to it than the GTX 1060 3GB. Third, the MSRP on the RX 580 4GB is $200, the MSRP on the GTX 1060 3GB is also $200. That makes them the direct competitors. Now you would be hard pressed to find either the 570 or 580 anywhere near MSRP, but if you do, they are solid winners over their GTX 1050 TI and GTX 1060 rivals.

 

You really ought to watch that video you linked. He confirms everything I just posted in the first 45 seconds of the video.

 

Shadow: I'm pretty sure I've seen a game with physix enabled at some point in the last 20 years, but I honestly couldn't tell you what. It's been a dead technology for a long time, and so has ATI for that matter. They got bought out by AMD long ago.

 

We talking about performance, MSRP have absolutely nothing to do with that...  you are very delusional...RX 570 and 580 are right now more expensive than GTX1060 and with +-same performance (dependent on the game)they have much higher power consumption,so a don't see where they won in anything,right now...