Momentary zoom view

[Valis]

How about a command that zooms the view for as long as the button is held down.

 

 

(I've tried programming this but for whatever reason BOS despises TARGET - works great in every other flight sim but BOS just will not play)

Edited November 28, 2017 by Valis

[Sokol1]

Press keypad Del (,) + Keypad # 8

[J2_Trupobaw]

Map zoom to axis...

[Royal_Flight]

I have a Thrustmaster FCS throttle (which is a great piece of kit by the way). It has a paddle on the back as a rudder control, which I don't need as I use rudder pedals.

So I've set the paddle up as an axis to control the zoom.

 

It has a centre detent which keeps the zoom off if you leave the paddle in the middle, but if you put pressure on one side it zooms in to full and the other way zooms out to full, for a wider field of view.

The centre is the default position.

 

Changing the curves lets you change the speed of the zoom effect, so it can either go straight in dead quickly or has a bit more control by pressing more gently, and changing the deadzone lets you set (to an extent) the limit of zoom.

 

It's a creative solution to the lack of a momentary zoom setting, although it only works with these sort of paddle switches. Or anything that has a spring-loaded centre detent. In theory the same effect could be gained with a twist joystick or something.

The advantage of the throttle is that the paddle is under your fingers all the time and allows the repurposing of an otherwise redundant control.

[Valis]

I have the same throttle and I tried to set up the rudder axis just as you suggested but the FOV in the centre point is much too narrow. Is there any way around this?

[Hoss]

How about a command that zooms the view for as long as the button is held down.

 

 

(I've tried programming this but for whatever reason BOS despises TARGET - works great in every other flight sim but BOS just will not play)

 I don't have that function mapped in TARGET, but i do have the map "O" function mapped that way, push the button and hold it to see the map, and when I let go I'm back in cockpit............... 

 

Hoss

[Valis]

 I don't have that function mapped in TARGET, but i do have the map "O" function mapped that way, push the button and hold it to see the map, and when I let go I'm back in cockpit............... 

 

Hoss

 

 

I tried exactly the same method for view-zoom (Hold=KP+, Release=KP*) but the zoom gets stuck at max, or doesn't respond at all, and I've tried introducing tiny delays between commands....etc. Works fine in every other sim.

Edited November 30, 2017 by Valis

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

It's a good idea! 

[Sokol1]

Guys, you are trying "reinvent the wheel" without need.

 

Instant zoom in (for maximum) whiled held keys already exist in the game, is Numpad Del + Numpad 8.

 

For some reason this command (and other similar "snap view") is not available in file "current.action" or Keybind for remap, for example for a more convenient joystick button.

 

So use your joystick software - or better Joy2Key that don't cause "collateral effect" like some joystick software - and set a joystick button for press this "NumpadDel + Numpad8"

 

For example the first stage of double stage trigger, press the first stage for zoom in to gunsight, the second for fire, release for zoom out for previous FOV.

[sniperton]

I remapped all my keys, so where is this "Numpad Del + Numpad 8" to be found?

[Hoss]

it's not in there that I can find, and you can't map Del + 8 in Target software, if there is a way I have not found it yet.  

[Sokol1]

Perhaps because my keyboard is in ABNT2 layout the names don't match yours, but mapping the keys for this "momentary Zoom"  in Joy2Key result this - that tested in game work as expected:

 

 

In this English layout is the keys highlight in red:

 

 

BTW - Keep pressed Numpad . and press other Numpad # keys to see other different "instant views".

 

Again, you don't find this commands names in "keybinds" - is not documented there, maybe due that "less keys blahblahblah".

Edited December 5, 2017 by Sokol1

[Royal_Flight]

I have the same throttle and I tried to set up the rudder axis just as you suggested but the FOV in the centre point is much too narrow. Is there any way around this?

Sorry for the delay, wasn't watching the thread.

 

If you mean that the view is too zoomed in, I think you can mess around with dead zones and curves to move where the slider thinks the centre point of the axis is.

Alternatively, you could lean forward a bit and then centre your TrackIR (if you have one) so when you're sitting in a comfortable position your FOV is a bit further back.

 

It doesn't bother me though as by setting up this axis in this way, you can move the slider outwards to get a wider viewpoint so I tend to push it one way to zoom in when I need to spot things properly, and slide it some way in the other direction when I'm scanning the sky so I can take more in.

My zoom is rarely still as I'm moving between focusing at a distance, watching the horizon and looking into the cockpit and having the axis under my hands helps that not become a burden, so the centre point doesn't bother me too much as I don't really have a 'default' position I leave the zoom in.

 

If that helps.

[Sokol1]

Attached a small track with this 'Momentary ZOOM view" - I am to lazy to make a video and upload for Youtube.

 

The instant "ZOOM to gunsight with return to previous position" views is done just be press and hold a joystick button that press the "Numpad . + Numpad 8" - no "juggling" with axis settings or "bewitchment" with TARGET's is need.

ZOOM view momentary.2017-12-05_19-32-37_00.zip

Edited December 5, 2017 by Sokol1

[303darro]

I have the same throttle and I tried to set up the rudder axis just as you suggested but the FOV in the centre point is much too narrow. Is there any way around this?

 

I'm fiddling with it too. The FCS HOTAS paddle seems perfect for this, but for some unknown reason when you let it go to default position, the zoom is not back to the same value (it's zoomed in quite a bit). So everytime I'm zooming with the paddle, I have to recenter the view with numpad5 (or mapped button) - it's really annoying and unintuitive. Is this some bug? Is there a way to modify it somehow?

[Royal_Flight]

I'm fiddling with it too. The FCS HOTAS paddle seems perfect for this, but for some unknown reason when you let it go to default position, the zoom is not back to the same value (it's zoomed in quite a bit). So everytime I'm zooming with the paddle, I have to recenter the view with numpad5 (or mapped button) - it's really annoying and unintuitive. Is this some bug? Is there a way to modify it somehow?

I haven't had this problem you describe, I'm not really sure what would be going on. It should go right back to the default view at the centre detent as there will be no input from the axis.

So, you're zooming in but it won't zoom you back out the whole way, is that what's going on?

Try looking in the axis curve setup window while moving the paddles to check where the game thinks the axis is. Then it might be a case of changing deadzones or altering curves to make sure that it's not registering an input when you're not touching it.

 

The paddles on the throttle are the best feature and they've ruined expensive flight gear for me, over Christmas I was considering treating myself to a Warthog throttle to go with the MS FFb2 stick I'd just picked up, but I'd miss the paddles too much for it to feel worth it.

[303darro]

So, you're zooming in but it won't zoom you back out the whole way, is that what's going on?

Try looking in the axis curve setup window while moving the paddles to check where the game thinks the axis is. Then it might be a case of changing deadzones or altering curves to make sure that it's not registering an input when you're not touching it.

 

Yes, it doesn't go the whole way back. More so, right at the moment I start zooming in (or out) it instantly jumps the FOV a bit up, so when I release the paddle it goes back to that already zoomed in state

I checked the axis input in options and it looks perfectly fine (HOTAS is brand new). Just to be sure, I added a little bit of deadzone (4%) but it doesn't change anything.

 

I recorded a short video with the issue:

 

I'm zooming in/out a few times and re-centering the view in between. For some another weird reason, usually I have to press the "center view" button 2-3 times, because it jumps back to that zoomed in state, resulted after using the paddle.

 

The paddles on the throttle are the best feature and they've ruined expensive flight gear for me, over Christmas I was considering treating myself to a Warthog throttle to go with the MS FFb2 stick I'd just picked up, but I'd miss the paddles too much for it to feel worth it.

 

Hehe, it's really cool, I agree IMO, this HOTAS is awesome in general, especially for the price. Except for that issue I'm having, it's super smooth and flying with it is so much better than my previous standalone joystick.

[Royal_Flight]

I'm not sure what to suggest really, that's not a problem I've had and I haven't been able to get on Il-2 in a few weeks so I can't currently check.

The way the controls are set up in this game is awkward to say the least.

When I get a chance to I'll dig about myself but for now I can't be any more helpful, sorry.

[303darro]

No problem mate, thanks for trying to help.

 

Hopefully maybe someone else run into this kind of problem and could share some insight.

 

Or perhaps some dev guys looking into these threads?

I'd really love to use that feature in a convenient way. Starting to like the game itself more and more too, after going through some manuals and videos.