Winter and other seasons of the Western front

[ShamrockOneFive]

During the Q&A, Jason talked about the winter map which is historically accurate but also doing a "green" map which tend to be more popular.

 

IMHO, I like the winter maps too but I've been wondering from a career/gameplay perspective if a fall or spring map would make more sense. Your thoughts?

Edited November 24, 2017 by ShamrockOneFive

[6./ZG26_Custard]

I hope we can have autumn, winter and spring maps.saying that, I wouldn't mind summer too.

[Field-Ops]

If they want to portray earlier clashes or later then I think either Fall or Spring would work better than summer. The map would have to be slightly relocated to the West if we wanted a historical playground in mid 1944.

[Gambit21]

During the Q&A, Jason talked about the winter map which is historically accurate but also doing a "green" map which tend to be more popular.

IMHO, I like the winter maps too but I've been wondering from a career/gameplay perspective if a fall or spring map would make more sense. Your thoughts?

My campaign will be built on the winter map - the end.

That's when the operations being represented happened - I doubt I'll ever load the spring map into the editor.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

The western front is infamous for its heavy rainfall in spring and autumn. I believe together with the new specially made effects, this will come in as quite thematic and immersive.

[Gambit21]

I do hope we get trees with snow on them this time - rather then green, completely snowless trees against the snowy ground.

[Uufflakke]

Just showing to get an impression for a 44-45 western Europen winter atmosphere.

 

 

 

 

[Juri_JS]

Fall = Market Garden + Battle of the Scheldt

 

Spring = Operation Veritable

 

Summer = ?

Edited November 24, 2017 by Juri_JS

[Danziger]

Just showing to get an impression for a 44-45 western Europen winter atmosphere.

 

 

 

 

That looks like winter Stalingrad map!

[ShamrockOneFive]

Fall = Market Garden + Battle of the Scheldt

 

Spring = Operation Veritable

 

Summer = ?

This is what I was thinking about too.

 

If the map covers the right areas and the team has time... an autumn and spring map would be great. I know Jason has committed only to the one but maybe they can do an extra one if there is time.

 

I'm glad we're getting some seasonal variations either way!

That looks like winter Stalingrad map!

Minus the bomb craters.., that's how it looks around here in the winter too! Edited November 24, 2017 by ShamrockOneFive

[Rjel]

I know it would be difficult to do maybe, but a transitional season map would be cool I think. One that would feature areas with snow on the ground in areas and places that still have the look of later autumn, leaves mostly down, browned grass areas. I don't think I've seen a map like that before.

[Voidhunger]

I know it would be difficult to do maybe, but a transitional season map would be cool I think. One that would feature areas with snow on the ground in areas and places that still have the look of later autumn, leaves mostly down, browned grass areas. I don't think I've seen a map like that before.

Im not good at English, but patchy snow is area mostly without snow, right? It would be good

 

From Shemrocks blog: (Jasons Q/A)

 

Seasons for Bodenplatte?

• Winter map is a must, probably with patchy snow

Edit: and btw its a nice blog. thanks Shamrock for doing this.

Edited November 24, 2017 by Voidhunger

[Rjel]

Im not good at English, but patchy snow is area mostly without snow, right? It would be good

 

From Shemrocks blog: (Jasons Q/A)

 

Seasons for Bodenplatte?

 

• Winter map is a must, probably with patchy snow

Edit: and btw its a nice blog. thanks Shamrock for doing this.

Yes that's what I meant.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

It’s great that they are trying to recreate a specific time period rather than the generic ‘winter’ map with everything covered in ice or snow.

[Gambit21]

Normal for this time period was snow and then more snow, with periods of respite of course.

So everything covered in snow is about right.

[Rjel]

Normal for this time period was snow and then more snow, with periods of respite of course.

So everything covered in snow is about right.

The question asked was if there would be other seasons too. I think a map set inbetwixt and between would be something new.

 

[Gambit21]

The question asked was if there would be other seasons too. I think a map set inbetwixt and between would be something new.

 

 

It would be at that.

 

With regard to my comments about snow on trees...I think it would just be nice for a change...representing the landscape after a very recent snow.

I have quite a few pictures from Y-29 during the period and often the trees are just as represented in the sim now.

I guess I just like the idea of flying around in a winter wonderland.  

It would be at that.

 

With regard to my comments about snow on trees...I think it would just be nice for a change...representing the landscape after a very recent snow.

I have quite a few pictures from Y-29 during the period and often the trees are just as represented in the sim now.

I guess I just like the idea of flying around in a winter wonderland.  

[ShamrockOneFive]

Im not good at English, but patchy snow is area mostly without snow, right? It would be good

 

From Shemrocks blog: (Jasons Q/A)

 

Seasons for Bodenplatte?

 

• Winter map is a must, probably with patchy snow

Edit: and btw its a nice blog. thanks Shamrock for doing this.

 

You're welcome! It was this comment from Jason that hadn't me thinking for sure.

 

 

The question asked was if there would be other seasons too. I think a map set inbetwixt and between would be something new.

 

 

A transitional map would be interesting. It may be an issue where the in between state doesn't last long and it's a lot of effort to change over.

 

A single snowstorm around here can take the entire area from Moscow Autumn to Moscow Winter in about 4-6 hours. So that change isn't as jarring as it might seem.

 

It would be at that.

 

With regard to my comments about snow on trees...I think it would just be nice for a change...representing the landscape after a very recent snow.

I have quite a few pictures from Y-29 during the period and often the trees are just as represented in the sim now.

I guess I just like the idea of flying around in a winter wonderland.  

 

It would be at that.

 

With regard to my comments about snow on trees...I think it would just be nice for a change...representing the landscape after a very recent snow.

I have quite a few pictures from Y-29 during the period and often the trees are just as represented in the sim now.

I guess I just like the idea of flying around in a winter wonderland.  

Winter wonderland is beautiful. It just doesn't last long or happen often in my experience. One good gust of wind and its all over.

 

You know this but some don't. January 1945 was one of the coldest and snowiest on record in Europe at the time. Indeed I've read articles by climatologists that several years of sustained warfare across the world and the incredible amounts of dust kicked up may have had a cooling effect that contributed to the winter. Regardless, this was a cold and snow filled one on the Weatern Front.

 

I'm exited to see it. But a "green" map as Jason says seems like a good idea. I just hope it's one that's historically useful too if at all possible.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Just found this in a Wikipedia entry:

 

In September 1944, Tempest units, based at forward airfields in England, supported Operation Market Garden, the airborne attempt to seize a bridgehead over the Rhine. On 21 September 1944, as the V-1 threat had receded, the Tempest squadrons were redeployed to the 2nd TAF, effectively trading places with the Mustang III squadrons of 122 Wing, which became part of the ADGB units deployed on bomber escort duties.[52] 122 Wing now consisted of 3 Sqn., 56 Sqn., 80 Sqn., 274 Sqn. (to March 1945), and 486(NZ)Sqn. From 1 October 1944 122 Wing was based at B.80 Volkel Air Base near Uden, in the Netherlands.

So if Tempests are at Volkel in September then I'd say it's fair to do a late summer, fall, winter setup probably all within the same map confines. The front lines appear to have been fairly stable here for a while so that's interesting.

[Kurfurst]

Actually I believe the choice of automn/winter tileset is because when Wacht am Rhein started, there was no snow yet, so, inititally no ‘white maps’. It only began to fall in very late December 1944, at Christmas or a bit afterwards even.

[EAF19_Marsh]

https://archive.org/details/WeatherEffects

 

Gives weather by day.