A plane is missing from the late war game.

[Royal_Flight]

ANOTHER 109 is the last thing we need

Agreed. So many more things needed instead.

 

Typhoon would be fun but I'd rather see a Mosquito - the ultimate Allied multirole twin-engines aircraft - and an equivalent such as the 410. Also maybe a C model unlock for the 88.

[Bullets]

As far as I am concerned before everything else this sim needs a hurry 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Actually what it needs it the ability to host on the fly from your own computer, a lite version of the Mission Editor, and about a half million more players.

 

Those three things would fix everything.

[Rjel]

Actually what it needs it the ability to host on the fly from your own computer, a lite version of the Mission Editor, and about a half million more players.

 

Those three things would fix everything.

Unfortunately, looking at some sister flight sim forums lately, there's still some negativity out there about this series. Some of it is pretty malicious. A lot of the rest of it is simple misinformation being spewed by some who don't know or don't care to learn the truth. It's still here to a degree I'm afraid. I don't know how you combat that. Maybe when they release the demo it will have the same effect the original IL-2 demo had on so many of us so long ago.

[Talisman]

I think the Hawker Tempest V is the right choice for now.  

The Hawker Tempest V is the aircraft the Hawker Typhoon should have been, but wasn't.  The Tempest superseded the Typhoon and flew alongside it.  The Tempest V is very often a forgotten aircraft of WWII, which is a shame.  I am delighted and over the moon that we will be getting the Tempest V   

The Tempest V also had the performance to hunt down the Me 262 and, amongst other things, was historically used for just that purpose.

With so many high performance LW aircraft, we need aircraft from the same technological time line to match each other.

In real life the Allies had air superiority and could get away with using superseded older aircraft types, but in our combat flight sim world there is no built in air superiority for the Allied aircraft types, because we are doing this for fun.  That is why technological time line aircraft matching is important, as well as other factors of course.  The developers have a delicate balance to maintain to meet customer expectation, LOL.

 

Happy landings,

 

56RAF_Talisman

[BlitzPig_EL]

Unfortunately, looking at some sister flight sim forums lately, there's still some negativity out there about this series. Some of it is pretty malicious. A lot of the rest of it is simple misinformation being spewed by some who don't know or don't care to learn the truth. It's still here to a degree I'm afraid. I don't know how you combat that. Maybe when they release the demo it will have the same effect the original IL-2 demo had on so many of us so long ago.

 

Indeed.  That P39 in the rain almost single handedly put the nail in the coffin of CFS2, and launched us all on an amazing journey that still is panning out in front of us.

[Venturi]

Am I right? Or am I right?

Edited November 26, 2017 by Venturi

[thebusdriver]

 

 

That P39 in the rain almost single handedly put the nail in the coffin of CFS2

 

???

[ShamrockOneFive]

???

He's talking about the P-39 mission that shipped with the original IL-2 demo.

 

It certainly got my attention.

[SeaW0lf]

Why when we are going to be having to fight against D9's and 262's would you want a Typhoon over a Tempest      I know people that fly red are used to having it hard but come on   

 

+1

[Field-Ops]

Indeed.  That P39 in the rain almost single handedly put the nail in the coffin of CFS2, and launched us all on an amazing journey that still is panning out in front of us.

Yes, hopefully this demo of IL-2: Great Battles will ship with a mission that is really engaging. I wonder if they will use one of the planes already released for the demo bird or make a new one. The only reason I see to make a new one is to not take away value from any one of their previous AC packs. But then again using a previously made AC will not add to any development time, which is an important commodity in these parts. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

He's talking about the P-39 mission that shipped with the original IL-2 demo.

 

It certainly got my attention.

 

 It's available at Mission4today...

 

http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=downloads&file=details&id=3564

 

 

Ahh... How far we have come...

[BlitzPig_EL]

 

[ShamrockOneFive]

Memories!

[wolfbojan189]

me 410  for me

[Cybermat47]

Que?

T-34? PPSh-41? B-24? Lancaster? IL-2?

Honestly: the right answer to that question is probably the LL Studebaker trucks supplied to the USSR, which made the Red Army a mobile force.

To be fair, he’s talking about the Western Front only.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

The typhoon looks better because of those four long barrel cannons

 

Was the tempest able to carry 16 rockets too??

[johncage]

Unfortunately, looking at some sister flight sim forums lately, there's still some negativity out there about this series. Some of it is pretty malicious. A lot of the rest of it is simple misinformation being spewed by some who don't know or don't care to learn the truth. It's still here to a degree I'm afraid. I don't know how you combat that. Maybe when they release the demo it will have the same effect the original IL-2 demo had on so many of us so long ago.

sour grapes dcs loyalists who can't accept that their sim and engine is inferior are a dying breed. once bodenplatte is out, i don't see dcs ww2 doing anyting other than fizzying out and the devs sheepishly hobbling back to their lane of expertise, ie modern jet fighters and helicopters in a modern war environment. meanwhile we may get that additional half million new players we always wanted

Edited November 27, 2017 by johncage

[ShamrockOneFive]

sour grapes dcs loyalists who can't accept that their sim and engine is inferior are a dying breed. once bodenplatte is out, i don't see dcs ww2 doing anyting other than fizzying out and the devs sheepishly hobbling back to their lane of expertise, ie modern jet fighters and helicopters in a modern war environment. meanwhile we may get that additional half million new players we always wanted

DCS still caters really well to people who want to push all of the buttons and really fly just one aircraft in incredible detail. They do some good things over there but they lack focus.

 

IL-2 does a far better job at offering an experience that is a complete theatre of operations in a well detailed and high fidelity fm and dm system. It's a much more consistent experience. Some folks are still learning that but I think more are coming around!

[Danziger]

Yes, hopefully this demo of IL-2: Great Battles will ship with a mission that is really engaging. I wonder if they will use one of the planes already released for the demo bird or make a new one. The only reason I see to make a new one is to not take away value from any one of their previous AC packs. But then again using a previously made AC will not add to any development time, which is an important commodity in these parts.

I imagine the demo will come with an Il-2. After all the game is called Il-2. Plus you can do a lot with it.

[Avimimus]

Why people think  there is no COST in producing something? READ the forums, you will see that if they could the developers would have added every single plane in existence at that time, but they cannot. They do not have a billion dollar budget.

 

The typhoon is a plane that likely someday we will see in game if the series continues to  do well enough..

 

Certainly, it is tens of thousands of dollars.

 

However, there is a bit of an argument that the Typhoon was more numerous (during BP) than many of the aircraft being modelled. The fact that the P-38 is being modelled (despite that the ones in the region were a handful of completely unarmed recon variants) while several squadrons of Typhoons are not being modelled as a logic to it.

 

However, I personally feel a bit lucky we are getting two British aircraft (developers from the U.S. would typically include one at most).

[Gambit21]

 However, I personally feel a bit lucky we are getting two British aircraft (developers from the U.S. would typically include one at most).

There's no "typical" to speak of - especially with regard to American developers and WWII sims.

Not sure what you're on about there.

[VeryOldMan]

Certainly, it is tens of thousands of dollars.

 

However, there is a bit of an argument that the Typhoon was more numerous (during BP) than many of the aircraft being modelled. The fact that the P-38 is being modelled (despite that the ones in the region were a handful of completely unarmed recon variants) while several squadrons of Typhoons are not being modelled as a logic to it.

 

However, I personally feel a bit lucky we are getting two British aircraft (developers from the U.S. would typically include one at most).

 

But if you go back to  the history of threads n this forum you will see the P38  has been among  if not the most requested or asked about where it could be  introduced  plane. The developers probably noticed that and considered that sicne there is no other plane that fills the  love of the P38 they would do it before the typhoon that can have its love partially filled by  a tempest.

 

That said, obviously I would love the typhoon as well, but what made me preorder BoBp within 7 seconds of the announcement  was readign P38 there ( seriously , I did nto even  waited to  end reading the rest of the sentence, I jumped into the store and preordered)

[SeaW0lf]

was readign P38 there ( seriously , I did nto even  waited to  end reading the rest of the sentence, I jumped into the store and preordered)

 

I imagine that a lot of people did the same  if I had any doubts they were pulverized when I saw the P-38L on the list (jaw dropping). And the "L" version is a critical detail. Besides I can only imagine cameras for recons later on. They caught everyone off guard with it. Together with the P-47, a darling in every simulator forum, they hit a grand slam. I mean the whole list.

[RickVic]

Typhoon, Mosquito, late Stuka, and THE 410. For me the Me 210 / 410 is the most sexy plane in the Luftwaffe. I wonder how this strange back firing mgs would work in a playable backseat

[Tomsk]

But if you go back to  the history of threads n this forum you will see the P38  has been among  if not the most requested or asked about where it could be  introduced  plane. The developers probably noticed that and considered that sicne there is no other plane that fills the  love of the P38 they would do it before the typhoon that can have its love partially filled by  a tempest.

 

The P-38 and the P-47 would also adapt easily to Pacific scenarios .. Would still love to see the pacific with those two.

[VeryOldMan]

The P-38 and the P-47 would also adapt easily to Pacific scenarios .. Would still love to see the pacific with those two.

That indeed  might help a lot (although I  am not a Pacific Connoisseur.. so I have no clue where the jug operated there).

[Tomsk]

Well it saw considerable use at the Battle of New Guinea, as per Hiromachi's excellent suggestion:

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/22652-il-2-battle-new-guinea/

[Field-Ops]

I'd be more interested in Razorback P-47 and P-38 G for pacific 

[Gambit21]

That indeed  might help a lot (although I  am not a Pacific Connoisseur.. so I have no clue where the jug operated there).

Pasted below - not my words.

 

 

The first P-47Ds to arrive in the Pacific theatre entered service with the 348th Fighter Group of the Fifth Air Force in June of 1943. They were initially operated out of Australia and were used on long-range missions to strike at Japanese targets in New Guinea. The 348th was followed by the 35th Group and at the beginning of 1944 by the 58th Group as well as the 35th Squadron of the 8th Group and the 9th FS of the 49th Group.

 

Soon after Saipan and Guam were taken, the 318th Group and the 508th group of the Seventh Air Force saw action in June 1944, having been the first to take delivery of the P-47N long-range version. They were followed by the Twentieth Air Force on Okinawa readying for the final assault on Japan--the 413th, 414th, and 507th Fighter Groups equipped with P-47Ns. The long-range P-47N began to reach the Pacific in 1945, and operated as a long-range escort for B-29 Superfortress bombers attacking the Japanese mainland from Saipan.

 

Several other groups were equipped with the Thunderbolt but saw little or no action, either because they were training units or else were formed after the war had ended--the 6th, 14th, 15th, 18th, 21st, 23rd, 51st, 53rd, 83rd, 84th, 85th, 87th, 326th, 327th, 337th, 338th, 370th, 407th, 408th, 479th, and 507th Fighter Groups.

 

The war in Europe took precedence over the conflict in the Pacific, and it was not until April of 1944 that the first P-47s reached the China-Burma-India (CBI) theatre. They initially equipped the 33rd, 81st and 80th Fighter Groups as well as the 5th and 6th Fighter Command Squadrons of the Tenth and 14th Air Forces.

[Dakpilot]

Not to forget the 16 squadrons of British P-47's operated in the far East from mid 44

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[CIA_Yankee_]

DCS still caters really well to people who want to push all of the buttons and really fly just one aircraft in incredible detail. They do some good things over there but they lack focus.

 

IL-2 does a far better job at offering an experience that is a complete theatre of operations in a well detailed and high fidelity fm and dm system. It's a much more consistent experience. Some folks are still learning that but I think more are coming around!

 

Agreed. I think some people still haven't gotten over the sting of the kerfuffles around the early days of BoS (unlocks, and so on), but the team has made a complete turnaround for those Dark Days (to be fair, I loved this sim back then too) and pretty much really all of the issues have been rectified while still retaining everything that made BoS a superlative sim from the start. So at this point, any hate directed at this sim is groundless and hopefully will continue to dissipate. 

 

I mean, anyone who remembers the tone of discourse on this forum from 2-3 years ago and compares it to today would obviously see how massively things have improved.

 

Beyond that, however, I think there will always be this element of competition between the fan bases. Regardless of any product's strengths and weaknesses, whenever two products come even close to competing, there will always be "Fans" who will fight tooth and nail to defend "their" chosen product and go to extraordinary lengths to sink the competition.

 

As it stands, when it comes to BoX and DCS, these are very different products with different focuses and business models. Even when both products have completed their stated roadmaps, we're looking at very different sims.

[Tomsk]

As it stands, when it comes to BoX and DCS, these are very different products with different focuses and business models. Even when both products have completed their stated roadmaps, we're looking at very different sims.

 

Agree completely. If what you want is basically a really in-depth simulation of a specific plane, with every system modelled in depth, then you can't beat DCS. You have to think of it as being like FSX, but with a little bit of combat capability. DCS is for people who love flying, and aircraft systems, but aren't really that fussed on the combat.

 

IL2 BoX, however, is perfect if you want a WWII combat flight sim. Simulating the full environment, and making you feel like you're actually involved in the battles of the period. IL2 BoX is for people who love WWII combat sims.

Edited November 28, 2017 by Tomsk

[hames123]

Que?

 

T-34? PPSh-41? B-24? Lancaster? IL-2?

 

Honestly: the right answer to that question is probably the LL Studebaker trucks supplied to the USSR, which made the Red Army a mobile force.

In the West. Please do read my comment carefully. I suppose the Landcaster and B-24 also belong on the list, but there s no denying that the Typhoon was important. The Germans hated it, and it was their intervention that prevented 7 full strength Panzer divisions from arriving in Normandy. Instead, 7 battered Panzer divisions arrive a few days late, and having lost almost all the soft skin vehicles they had made the journey with. The Typhoons also operated in ground attack missions to the last days of the war, so they really need to be in.

 

 

I think the Hawker Tempest V is the right choice for now.

The Hawker Tempest V is the aircraft the Hawker Typhoon should have been, but wasn't. The Tempest superseded the Typhoon and flew alongside it. The Tempest V is very often a forgotten aircraft of WWII, which is a shame. I am delighted and over the moon that we will be getting the Tempest V

The Tempest V also had the performance to hunt down the Me 262 and, amongst other things, was historically used for just that purpose.

With so many high performance LW aircraft, we need aircraft from the same technological time line to match each other.

In real life the Allies had air superiority and could get away with using superseded older aircraft types, but in our combat flight sim world there is no built in air superiority for the Allied aircraft types, because we are doing this for fun. That is why technological time line aircraft matching is important, as well as other factors of course. The developers have a delicate balance to maintain to meet customer expectation, LOL.

 

Happy landings,

 

56RAF_Talisman

This is true. Pretty much the only game that has the Tempest and is modern is SD44:Normandy, an RTS about the battle of Normandy. It is pretty good, and the planes all have working flight models and actually look great flying above the units on the ground. It has a Tempest fighter and some Tempests from ground attack, and lots of Typhoons. Edited November 29, 2017 by hames123