Wellcome FW 190 A8 !!

[ITAF_Rani]

Maybe a little bit early, but with the announcement of BOBP, I cannot resist..

So let' s talk about it...

 

Enjoy the high quality video

 

Edited November 22, 2017 by ITAF_Rani

[II/JG11_ATLAN_VR]

Beautiful bird

[Beazil]

Wait... I *thought* it was a D model we were getting. I gotta go back and read that last update again.

 

Re read. A8 and D. I have to lay down. Too much awesome all at once.

Edited November 22, 2017 by Beazil

[Gambit21]

Dora as well.

[Archie]

Loved the A8 in '46.Got shot down in it A LOT!

[r153]

Missing the A9    well that sux 

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

as long it can to be modified in BoBo as an F-8 WITH Panzerblitz rockets - i am happy

[CUJO_1970]

We need an A-9. Faster than A-8 with more powerful engine and it's a bona fide 1944 aircraft.

 

And unlike P-38L, it actually flew missions in Bodenplatte.

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

you cant have always the fastest and most powerfull...................ask the Royal Airforce about their Griffon Spits

 

the A-8 is ok - you need more power ?? fly D-9

[Gambit21]

You tell em Franky

I shouldn't poke fun at you r153...I get wanting the pinnacle of a design.

Like I said in the other thread....there's hope.

Who knows, if the collaboration efforts pan out.

 

Not sure how many cosmetic changes there between A8 - A9...not my area of knowledge really.

[r153]

you cant have always the fastest and most powerfull...................ask the Royal Airforce about their Griffon Spits

 

the A-8 is ok - you need more power ?? fly D-9

Good Anton flyers live by the roll rate of the Anton , Dora flying style is different  

[Voidhunger]

Its original or replica? Cockpit dashboard is awful

[Archie]

Its original or replica? Cockpit dashboard is awful

Flugwerk replica with Ash82 engine

[VeryOldMan]

You tell em Franky

I shouldn't poke fun at you r153...I get wanting the pinnacle of a design.

Like I said in the other thread....there's hope.

Who knows, if the collaboration efforts pan out.

 

Not sure how many cosmetic changes there between A8 - A9...not my area of knowledge really.

 

 

On  a large batch of the A9? None at all.. ( most did not even  used the 14 blade cooler).

 

The power difference is not  huge as well. 99.9% of the time if you cannot do the job in  an A8 you cannot do it in an A9 as well.

[GridiroN]

Maybe a little bit early, but with the announcement of BOBP, I cannot resist..

So let' s talk about it...

 

Enjoy the high quality video

 

 

Does this use an original BMW radial, or a Shetsov? I can't tell which way the prop is spinning.

Edited November 23, 2017 by GridiroN

[r153]

 

 

The power difference is not  huge as well. 99.9% of the time if you cannot do the job in  an A8 you cannot do it in an A9 as well.

 

Guessing that the 190 is energy fighter that needs to be in 350/450 range , power 2 weight matters  . so moving a brick "a8" into that envelope at lower speeds is alot harder then A9  and the top end was better in the a9 

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

why you think the BoBo A-8 will be a brick ?

forgett Olegs IL2 FM world please.......

[VeryOldMan]

Guessing that the 190 is energy fighter that needs to be in 350/450 range , power 2 weight matters  . so moving a brick "a8" into that envelope at lower speeds is alot harder then A9  and the top end was better in the a9 

The A9 was 30 kg  lighter...  basically irrelevant . The power to weight  was  on the same  ballpark. 

 

The old Il2 cannot be used a reliable reference. (It modeled the A8 as  with ALWAYS  carrying extra armored plates, mainly because the only 8s the soviets faced were  Jabo conversions)

 

The only major advantage of the A9 was that its sustained power was higher witha  little bit better compressor (not that in game we really fly much that high) , but the max combat power  was  just a tiny bit  higher.. not a game changer.

[CUJO_1970]

The TS powerplant was up to 300hp more powerful - it had a higher top speed, up to 20km/h faster, better climb rate and higher critical altitude than the A-8.

 

None of those things are insignificant, in fact they are quite critical.

[r153]

The A9 was 30 kg  lighter...  basically irrelevant . The power to weight  was  on the same  ballpark. 

 

The old Il2 cannot be used a reliable reference. (It modeled the A8 as  with ALWAYS  carrying extra armored plates, mainly because the only 8s the soviets faced were  Jabo conversions)

 

The only major advantage of the A9 was that its sustained power was higher witha  little bit better compressor (not that in game we really fly much that high) , but the max combat power  was  just a tiny bit  higher.. not a game changer.

 

How high flying are we talking here ? this is the western front  , we will have P 47's escorting bombers , so the combat will go higher then we see now .

 

Here's hoping we get a well modeled A8 then      i'll hold my breath for now  

Edited November 23, 2017 by r153

[II/JG11_ATLAN_VR]

Bombers.? There will be no B-17.B-24 or what ever!

[r153]

 

 

Bombers.? There will be no B-17.B-24 or what eve

 

looking to the future, i  image it will go there  

[II/JG11_ATLAN_VR]

I hope so but jasons reaction was impossible several times

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

Does this use an original BMW radial, or a Shetsov? I can't tell which way the prop is spinning.

 

It uses the Shvetsov, you can tell it has an intake at the top of the cowling, a bit ahead of where the mgs would be.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Who wants these imposter FWs that call themselves Dora? Just because they needed more fighters and had loads of production capacity for the inline engines...!

 

True FWs have radials, for Beschussfestigkeit, resilience, pure power, and the guzzle.

[r153]

Who wants these imposter FWs that call themselves Dora? Just because they needed more fighters and had loads of production capacity for the inline engines...!

 

True FWs have radials, for Beschussfestigkeit, resilience, pure power, and the guzzle.

 

[VeryOldMan]

How high flying are we talking here ? this is the western front  , we will have P 47's escorting bombers , so the combat will go higher then we see now .

 

Here's hoping we get a well modeled A8 then      i'll hold my breath for now  

What bombers? There is nothgin  justifying anything flying over 5 k (with 5K you can reach  terminal elevator authority already when trying to run away.. so no need of more than that to  boom)

The TS powerplant was up to 300hp more powerful - it had a higher top speed, up to 20km/h faster, better climb rate and higher critical altitude than the A-8.

 

None of those things are insignificant, in fact they are quite critical.

 

 

With emergency  power (C3 injection) the A8  had almost same power as the A9, although it could not keep it running for long. The 300 HP more are of unboosted  power (the A9  should NOT have C3 injection). As I said that makes difference up high, down low were  most of combat online happens the A8 is a close enough contender.

[VeryOldMan]

Compare  A8  speed http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/fw190-a8-25oct44.jpg

to A9 speed http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/Fw_190_410230_Nr1.pdf

 

At altitude the A9 was quite superior. Near the deck  the difference was  quite small.  Considering the lack of strategic bombers, most of fights in game will continue to be  under 3-4 K.

 

The A8 is competitive at that level. When they bring us the bombers, then  we  can ask for the A9 surely.

[r153]

What bombers? There is nothgin  justifying anything flying over 5 k (with 5K you can reach  terminal elevator authority already when trying to run away.. so no need of more than that to  boom)

 

 

With emergency  power (C3 injection) the A8  had almost same power as the A9, although it could not keep it running for long. The 300 HP more are of unboosted  power (the A9  should NOT have C3 injection). As I said that makes difference up high, down low were  most of combat online happens the A8 is a close enough contender.

 

Bombers on the Western front will go there with out a doubt  - they are all ready bringing the P47 into play, we all know they won't be flying below 5k for a start , some one needs to play top cover on the blue team . hell if 109's still lock up at 500 kph , we won't see many up there , if a P47 can just dive away at will 

 

sorry forgot all about the Dora 

Edited November 24, 2017 by r153

[ShamrockOneFive]

Bombers on the Western front will go there with out a doubt  - they are all ready bringing the P47 into play, we all know they won't be flying below 5k for a start , some one needs to play top cover on the blue team . hell if 109's still lock up at 500 kph , we won't see many up there , if a P47 can just dive away at will 

 

sorry forgot all about the Dora

 

During this time and flown by 9th AF units, many P-47s were flying at low altitudes on fighter bomber operations and they did quite well flying low too.

[r153]

During this time and flown by 9th AF units, many P-47s were flying at low altitudes on fighter bomber operations and they did quite well flying low too.

 

Yes that was the historical reality , but that won;t happen online 

[Legioneod]

Yes that was the historical reality , but that won;t happen online 

I imagine we'll see both things happen. I for one will be flying high most of the time but I'll also do ground attack, just depends on how I feel that day I guess.

[=RvE=Windmills]

Yes that was the historical reality , but that won;t happen online 

 

How do you imagine ground targets to be attacked exactly then? P47s free handing bombs from 20k?

[Jade_Monkey]

Yes that was the historical reality , but that won;t happen online

You are assuming some sort of rational behavior that doesnt always exist in MP.

 

Also, p47 went low for ground attack like others have said.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Yes that was the historical reality , but that won;t happen online

 

Yes, it absolutely will. I saw it with IL-2:1946 scenarios and we're going to see it here. Bombed up P-47s flying low altitude ground attack ops.

[EAF19_Marsh]

 

Yes that was the historical reality , but that won;t happen online

 

Why? There will be very few targets at high altitude given that the map and a/c set is almost all geared towards low altitude combat.

[r153]

 

 

How do you imagine ground targets to be attacked exactly then? P47s free handing bombs from 20k?

 

 

You will see P47's free hunting at high cover on MP servers that's the realty , it's not a bad thing , it what's P 47's do  ,  played on War Clouds for god know how long , that's what P 47's do , looks like a lot new people here have never flew with P47's before 

 

 

Yes, it absolutely will. I saw it with IL-2:1946 scenarios and we're going to see it here. Bombed up P-47s flying low altitude ground attack ops.

 

Some one with experience here  ,  low flying P47 's are just fast food for 190's 

[ShamrockOneFive]

You will see P47's free hunting at high cover on MP servers that's the realty , it's not a bad thing , it what's P 47's do  ,  played on War Clouds for god know how long , that's what P 47's do , looks like a lot new people here have never flew with P47's before 

 

 

Some one with experience here  ,  low flying P47 's are just fast food for 190's

 

Someone with experience here as well. Flew many of those kinds of missions. Flying fast and plotting avoidance routes helps as does top cover.

[Gambit21]

 

Some one with experience here  ,  low flying P47 's are just fast food for 190's

 

That's not what happened in real life at all.

You spend too much time typing, and not enough reading.

You're a good example of someone confused as to whether they should be asking questions or answering them.

 

I spent most of this evening pouring over research from the 352nd and 366th among others.

 

Jugs dealt with 109's and 190's on the deck all the time.

[r153]

That's not what happened in real life at all.

You spend too much time typing, and not enough reading.

You're a good example of someone confused as to whether they should be asking questions or answering them.

 

I spent most of this evening pouring over research from the 352nd and 366th among others.

 

Jugs dealt with 109's and 190's on the deck all the time.

 

A little 'foresight' we are talking online servers  - yes well aware of the historical facts  

 

"You spend too much time typing, and not enough reading"

 

I spent most of this evening pouring over research from the 352nd and 366th among others  

 

Good on yeah  - the subject is about , how this plane set will play out online & how the community will use them in realty  - keep up the good work   

Edited November 26, 2017 by r153