P-47D !!!

[Legioneod]

I know it's a while away but is anyone else super excited about the P-47 coming in the next expansion?

 

The Jug is my all time favorite aircraft and I can't wait to fly it. I pretty much gave up on the DCS P-47 but now that we are getting a new BoX expansion my dream is coming true to fly a P-47 in a modern flight sim!

 

I do have a few questions and concerns though, like what D variant are we getting? I hope for the D-30.

 

Also how will the damage model be with the Jug? The engine model is my main concern since the PW 2800 was a beast irl, I just hope it will be as durable in-game along with the P-47 itself.

[Gambit21]

Yep

Going to be my ride of choice, both for flying and building a scripted campaign around.

[Legioneod]

Yep

Going to be my ride of choice, both for flying and building a scripted campaign around.

Nice. I dont think I'll fly anything else unless my friend is on (he's a stang jockey). The Jug is great for pretty much anything, has a great bombload for a fighter and is a good dogfighter from the 1st hand accounts I've read.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I'm personally a Tempest fan but I see the two in a semi-similar light as being big, tough and mean fighters. The Tempest may be a little more sensitive and agile than the Jug but the Jug is of course a brilliant performer of its own and packs a heck of a punch.

 

It's going to be great to have these both!

[Gambit21]

It's really hard to beat if you have any interest in mud moving at all.

I'm really looking forward to it...not to mention those sexy 9th Airforce paint jobs.

I'm personally a Tempest fan but I see the two in a semi-similar light as being big, tough and mean fighters. The Tempest may be a little more sensitive and agile than the Jug but the Jug is of course a brilliant performer of its own and packs a heck of a punch.

 

It's going to be great to have these both!

 

I'm a fan as well...of the Typhoon too.

Beautiful aircraft.

[Pharoah]

I'm personally a Tempest fan but I see the two in a semi-similar light as being big, tough and mean fighters. The Tempest may be a little more sensitive and agile than the Jug but the Jug is of course a brilliant performer of its own and packs a heck of a punch.

 

It's going to be great to have these both!

 

This ^^

[Legioneod]

It's really hard to beat if you have any interest in mud moving at all.

I'm really looking forward to it...not to mention those sexy 9th Airforce paint jobs.

 

I'm a fan as well...of the Typhoon too.

Beautiful aircraft.

Yep, really like the blue cowling on the Jug.

[BlznSaddles]

Yeah this is the one I'm looking for.  Always loved the R 2800 engine and first hand pilot accounts of the P47 are very favorable.  I remember reading one account of Jug and the pilot was talking about using the service ceiling as a safety zone against enemy fighters.  He said he could see the 109's trying to climb up to him but stalling out that high.  Just an awesome plane.  

[Legioneod]

Yeah this is the one I'm looking for.  Always loved the R 2800 engine and first hand pilot accounts of the P47 are very favorable.  I remember reading one account of Jug and the pilot was talking about using the service ceiling as a safety zone against enemy fighters.  He said he could see the 109's trying to climb up to him but stalling out that high.  Just an awesome plane.  

Can't wait to see for myself. I'll be happy to finally have a good high alt fighter for the allied side.

[CanadaOne]

I'm far more interested in the P-38, but really, any plane at BOX levels of goodness is great to fly.

 

That said, the P-47 is going to be an awesome ground pounder.

[Legioneod]

I'm far more interested in the P-38, but really, any plane at BOX levels of goodness is great to fly.

 

That said, the P-47 is going to be an awesome ground pounder.

Yep, probably the best in the sim so far imo. It will also be King up high with its beats of an engine.

[Rolling_Thunder]

I'm actually looking forward to the K4. probably the best looking 109, and of course the p47.

[katdog5]

cant fing wait...Quentin Aanenson http://www.quentinaanenson.com/

 

this clip from one of the best documentaries of all time:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fx9f-ccJu4

 

If I recall correctly he ran into one of the guys he saved at a party in new orleans and was like oh yeah thats me.

 

epic

 

the full doc used to be online youtube, but i think its down

Edited November 20, 2017 by katdog5

[Archie]

My main worry is there's just not going to be enough hours in the day to fly all these awesome planes! I'm looking forward to the 47, but suspect my heart will go to the 38.

[Mad_Mikhael]

Can't wait. P-47 is my favourite, Tempest is right behind him. Dear Piston Lord, this expansion will be so good

[Finkeren]

Not really.

 

Not a great fan of late war in the first place.

 

The only plane in the announced set that really interests me is the P-38, that and the B-25 of course.

 

The Tempest could be fun, but I never particularly liked in in IL2-1946.

 

The Ardennes map is what really draws me into this.

[Bullets]

8x 50.cal are going to be destructive    I am glad we are getting some fast ground attackers with BoOB should make for some interesting missions! 

[Mysticpuma]

Yes, favourite aircraft ever. Just make sure you fly as a pair to get the best out of it's B'n'Z capability

[Uufflakke]

The Ardennes map is what really draws me into this.

 

The Ardennes will not be included on the map.

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/32255-discussion-bodenplatte-flying-circus-and-tank-crew-announcem/?p=533687

[HighStick]

Its a heavy beast but still fast, lots of firepower, big bomb load, hard to shoot down too...

Going to be one of my favorite a/c along with P-38...  

[=RvE=Windmills]

Does anyone know what exact models of P47 were present during the operation? It's hard to find even when the different models left the factory, let alone reached the frontline.

[BlitzPig_EL]

While we all drool about the P47's attack abilities, I think it should be pointed out that it's performance at altitude is going to come as a bit of a shock to some of our 109 flying members who are not used to having any sort of competition at the altitudes they normally like to fly at to be "safe".

 

[JG5_Zesphr]

I thought the tempest and p51 were decent high altitude planes as well?

[Bullets]

While we all drool about the P47's attack abilities, I think it should be pointed out that it's performance at altitude is going to come as a bit of a shock to some of our 109 flying members who are not used to having any sort of competition at the altitudes they normally like to fly at to be "safe".

 

 

And you thought the luftwhining was bad now.....haha     

[BlitzPig_EL]

The 51 certainly is.

 

Not really sure about the Tempest.

 

The 47's big advantage is that it is turbocharged, not mechanically supercharged, so it has seamless boost up to it's critical altitude, and if it's a model equipped with the Hamilton Standard "high activity" propeller it will have a really good rate of climb in the mid altitudes.

 

Have to remember that the reason the P51 became so famous is that it had the range to escort the bombers that the 47 lacked.  In the scenario we are going to have this won't matter much as the 47s won't be based in England, but really right on Germany's doorstep.

[Retnek]

Can't wait. P-47 is my favourite, Tempest is right behind him. Dear Piston Lord, this expansion will be so good

I fear the two new beauties will suffer like the fighterbombers already present. Until the the developers and mission builders tame the light AAA in it's present state they are additional cannon fodder.

[JG5_Zesphr]

The Tempest seems to be best at about 5500m so it'll be a decent high alt fighter 

[Dutchvdm]

Although my knowledge of American aircraft is a bit limited i'm quite fond of the P-47 and the P-38. Do we get a razorback or a Bubble canopy? The razorback was made until the D-20?.. I would guess the razorback's where faced out by the end of 44..?

 

And this thread needs more pictures. 

 

 

Edited November 20, 2017 by I./ZG1_Martijnvdm

[ElPerk]

The 51 certainly is.

 

Not really sure about the Tempest.

 

The 47's big advantage is that it is turbocharged, not mechanically supercharged, so it has seamless boost up to it's critical altitude, and if it's a model equipped with the Hamilton Standard "high activity" propeller it will have a really good rate of climb in the mid altitudes.

 

Have to remember that the reason the P51 became so famous is that it had the range to escort the bombers that the 47 lacked.  In the scenario we are going to have this won't matter much as the 47s won't be based in England, but really right on Germany's doorstep.

Wwiiaircraftperformance.org shows quite consistently that Tempest V gets best performance at around 6km, with 1st supercharger gear also providing very good performance below 3 km. Tempests were employed in both mid- and low-level missions. It's ridiculous at deck, able of hitting about 600km/h at sea level.

 

P-51D seems to generally perform at it's best at around 8km. P-47 goes even higher, with peak performance at around 9500m. I didn't compare climb times because someone else will probably produce a ridiculously detailed breakdown at some point and will destroy my numbers completely. 

 

I don't know what kind of dynamic this will create for MP servers. It's sort of weird. Of Allied planeset, P-47D and Tempest V both were heavily employed as strike aircraft after later 1944. While Tempest V does just fine at strike altitudes, the Jug seems to be at a sort of juxtaposition - it can either be utilized as a fighter-bomber down low where it's outperformed by Germans, or as a kick-ass high-altitude fighter at altitudes that do not necessarily function historically in a game that often emphasizes interdiction and bombing. And P-51Ds were also utilized as fighter-bombers, even though I have no idea how common this was during winter 1944-1945. 

 

Edited November 20, 2017 by ElPerk

[6./ZG26_Custard]

And this thread needs more pictures. 

 

More pictures of some of the aircraft we will receive and some we can dream of getting (Maybe one day!) all set with some appropriate music.  

 

[Legioneod]

While we all drool about the P47's attack abilities, I think it should be pointed out that it's performance at altitude is going to come as a bit of a shock to some of our 109 flying members who are not used to having any sort of competition at the altitudes they normally like to fly at to be "safe".

 

This is one of the things I'm most excited about, the Jug is one of the best high altitude fighters and become more maneuverable the higher it gets from what Ive read.

 

Not much can touch the Jug up top, it's real maneuverable and fast up high.

 

Also in response to other post, my bet is we will be getting a later variant of the Jug, probably a D-28 or D-30. A razorback could come later for mid war missions.

Edited November 20, 2017 by Legioneod

[Jade_Monkey]

Jason said bubble canopy for both P51 and P47.

[Monostripezebra]

This is one of the things I'm most excited about, the Jug is one of the best high altitude fighters and become more maneuverable the higher it gets from what Ive read.

 

Not much can touch the Jug up top, it's real maneuverable and fast up high.

 

Also in response to other post, my bet is we will be getting a later variant of the Jug, probably a D-28 or D-30. A razorback could come later for mid war missions.

 

naa.. there is a reason the Mustang took over that role from the jug. The P47 can dive and it brings you home with damage that a mustang would not.. but hoping for it to run rings around everyone else.. not really likely to happen.

[Legioneod]

naa.. there is a reason the Mustang took over that role from the jug. The P47 can dive and it brings you home with damage that a mustang would not.. but hoping for it to run rings around everyone else.. not really likely to happen.

Never said it was the best dogfighter but people seem to forget that it was first and foremost designed as a fighter and it as good at the role. It was the fastest aircraft in the US arsenal in WW2 (P-47M) and it was maneuverable at high altitudes. Down low it was vulnerable but up high is where it excelled.

 

The mustang took over the escort role from the Jug in Europe because it had better range but that doesn't mean t as a better high altitude aircraft.

 

Also, in the Pacific P-47s escorted B-29s to Japan up until the end of the war.

 

Am I saying that the Jug is the best allied aircraft, no but neither is the P-51. In highest scoring US ace in Europe flew a Jug, the Jug isnt a slouch when it comes to dogfighting.

[LukeFF]

Does anyone know what exact models of P47 were present during the operation? It's hard to find even when the different models left the factory, let alone reached the frontline.

 

It seems like mainly D-28s to D-30s, but there were some earlier models present as well, it seems. This website is a big help with determining that sort of thing.

Edited November 20, 2017 by LukeFF

[ZachariasX]

The Tempest seems to be best at about 5500m so it'll be a decent high alt fighter

 

Not at all. The Tempest V was very well liked from tree top up to 3500 meters. Above that it lost much of its competitivness. At 5000 meters many late war planes were fast as well and they didn‘t hit a glass ceiling there. Tempest pilots hatd having to fly escort for bombers and very seldom flew such missions.

 

AFAIR, typical mission parameters were flight to patrol area at about 10‘000 ft, then at 400 mph CAP along the designated waypoints at about 6000 ft.

[Pierre64]

Jason said bubble canopy for both P51 and P47.

Technically, the Malcolm hood was a bubble canopy...

[Finkeren]

Technically, the Malcolm hood was a bubble canopy...

No more than the standard Spitfire canopy was a bubble canopy.

[Heliopause]

[VesseL]

P-47, one of my favorite US plane, right after Brewster Buffalo. Im Super exited about it coming to this exellent sim. Happy times ahead, all those iconic planes.