You can't make a "flying circus" if you don't have Nieuports. It's not natural. :)

[Jaws2002]

That's right. The flying circus needs at least two little Noops, so everyone can have fun.

That lovley little Noop 28 was my love and joy for many years. So was the Noop 11.

The early fm kept me away from the Noop 17 for a while, but it became a real joy after the fm fix.

Hope you find a way to squeeze in those lovely French stunt planes.

[Archie]

Early days yet Jaws, I doubt the plane set is too fixed at this point. 

[Finkeren]

And right from the start they have named it “Flying Circus - part one”.

 

The rest will hopefully follow in short order, as soon as the major work of bringing the entire game engine up to date and update the map is done.

[SYN_Mike77]

And right from the start they have named it “Flying Circus - part one”.

 

The rest will hopefully follow in short order, as soon as the major work of bringing the entire game engine up to date and update the map is done.

Giddily looking ahead;  Part Two:  Bloody April.  Start in about March of '17 and running through mid to late summer.  Lots of good campaign ideas!

[Jaws2002]

Early days yet Jaws, I doubt the plane set is too fixed at this point.

 

Oh I know that.

 

This is thread is just me cheering for the awesome Nieuport fighters.

 

I doubt I'm the only Nieuport fanatic here.

[PatrickAWlson]

N17 in 1918?  Been watching too much of Flyboys?   - j/k

 

IMHO starting at the end of the war and working backwards makes the most sense for WWI.  You get the Americans in right away.  Some of the most iconic planes are in the 1918 set.  An offline campaign immediately makes sense - you are  a pilot starting in October 1917 flying til the end of the war.

 

Mike 77 has it down.  The second plane set gets you from early 1917 to FC1.  I hope they are not religious about 5 planes per side as the Allies need more and the Germans not so much.

Albatros D.II (Late)

Albatros D.III

Rumpler CIV

Nieuport 17

Nieuport 24 

SPAD VII (180 HP)

Sopwith Strutter

Sopwith Pup

Sopwith Triplane (Collector)

RE8

 

Then FC3 from late 1916 to Bloody April

Halberstadt DII (Collector)

Albatros D.II (Early)

Albatros C.V

DFW C.V

SPAD VII (150 HP)

Farman F.40 

Caudron G.4 (Collector)

DH2

FE2d

BE2e

 

Finally, the early years

Fokker E.III

Fokker E.IV

Albatros C.III

Aviatik C.I

Nieuport 11

Morane Saulnier L

Morane Saulnier N 

Voisin III

FE2b

BE2c

 

Somewhere in there make a late war two seater package.  The Salmson and Breguet for late war French recon and bombing.  Add an LVG CV for late war German recon and  an AEG as a German bomber.  Add the DH4 for a British bomber. 

Then a fighter package.  The N28, Sopwith Snipe, SSW D.IV, and other oddities.

 

Getting a bit ahead of myself, aren't I?

[Royal_Flight]

Getting a bit ahead of myself, aren't I?

Not at all... you haven't said anything I dislike. Here's hoping...

[Luftschiff]

[xvii-Dietrich]

Getting a bit ahead of myself, aren't I?

 

 

Ahem...

 

 

Your long and carefully planned list holds many a worthy and distinguished airframe.

 

However, I do think it is a bit dry.

 

Literally.

 

 

 

You need to get some water in there, Sir!

 

Apart from the W.12, HD.2 and Felixstowe from RoF, I also refer you to this list...

 

{...}  there are also a LOT of other classic seaplane types that never made it into RoF... Donnet-Denhaut-DD.8, FBA-H, Lohner-L, Macchi M5, Sopwith Baby, Friedrichshafen-FF33, Friedrichshafen-FF49, Short-184, ... etc. etc.. Some of these were produced in large quantities. For example, there were far more DD8 and FBA-H aircraft built than there ever were Felixstowes.  {...}

 

 

 

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

it took a while till the RoF planeset loked like as it looks now.......espacially the early war birds.

i would say, Patience and than see what will happen

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

@Pat finger crossed for your list of aeroplanes and PWCG carrying it in absence of career.

 

@Luftschiff great YOUTUBE channel featuring Rise of Flight episodes. Just hilarious!!

Edited November 20, 2017 by 307_Tomcat

[BMA_Hellbender]

I respectfully disagree.

 

The way the Nieuports were modeled in Rise of Flight made them anything but competitive in a late war scenario, which Flying Circus Volume I appears to be going for.

 

• The Nieuport 11 is a superb early war turnfighter, which shines against Eindeckers and Halberstadt D.IIs, but is quickly outgunned and outclassed by heavier Albatros fighters.
   
• The Nieuport 17 (in its three variants) is a rather anemic machine, lacking maneuverability, speed and firepower when pitted against an Albatros D.II or D.III. The Sopwith Pup holds its own much better in that regard.
   
• As for the Nieuport 28, while it's a fast and good climbing late war machine, the general consensus seems to be that it lacks sustained maneuverability due to high wing loading, which makes it a bit of a hit 'n run fighter. At least with the SPAD XIII the pilot has more horsepower and a steadier gunplatform at their disposal, and if the need arises, enough ruggedness to survive a bad merge. Don't get me wrong, the N.28 was my first love when RoF came out in 2009, but it's always played second fiddle to the SPAD, as it did in real life.

 

When we look at the rest of the planeset, every choice makes perfect sense to me.
 

- SPAD 13 C.1: Best energy fighter in the war

- Sopwith Dolphin: Most versatile Entente fighter, a good mix between speed and maneuverability. Flips easily on landing, sadly (get it? Dolphin, flipper)

- Sopwith Camel: Best Entente turn fighter

- RAF S.E.5a: Second best Entente energy fighter, with some added maneuverability compared to the SPAD

- Bristol Fighter: Greatest WWI fighting machine ever built and the scourge of any poor bastard who mistakes it for "just another two-seater". Serves two
 

- Albatros D.Va: Most all-round Axis fighter, very easy to fly

- Fokker Dr.1: Best turn fighter in the war

- Fokker DVII: Best high-altitude interceptor in the war (provided we get the proper overcompressed engine)

- Pfalz D.IIIa: Second best all-round Axis fighter, easy to fly and has a good dive

- Halberstadt CL.II: Close to being an Axis counterpart to the Bristol (provided we get the proper overcompressed engine)

Edited November 21, 2017 by Hellbender

[itsmecamille]

The initial plan makes sense to me. I bet that it's about the most popular planeset in RoF (and Jason would have had the data for that).

Personally I would have loved to start with the very early stuff: flying an E III by the seat of your pants would be perfect for VR, and then I love the Nieup 11. But it would be way more niche than a set with the Camel, SE5, Dr1 and Alb V, and the Nieup 17 doesn't fit well in there.

[PatrickAWlson]

 

Ahem...

 

 

Your long and carefully planned list holds many a worthy and distinguished airframe.

 

However, I do think it is a bit dry.

 

Literally.

 

 

 

You need to get some water in there, Sir!

 

Apart from the W.12, HD.2 and Felixstowe from RoF, I also refer you to this list...

 

 

 

 

 

I would see seaplanes and heavy bombers as individual plane releases.  Italian/Austrian front would be a good place to get in not only land based planes but a couple of sea planes too.  So many possibilities.