B109 G-6 ?

[Guest deleted@50488]

From a strictly non weapon-based point of view, so, taking into consideration only flight performance / characteristics, what would make the G-6 a valuable option to pick instead of the remaining models of the 109 presently available in IL-2 Battle of ?

 

Thx for any hints!

Edited November 18, 2017 by jcomm

[Finkeren]

Nothing. The entire point of designing the G6 in the first place was to up-gun it. The Early G6 has absolutely nothing on the G4 apart from that pair og 131s.

 

The only other reason I can think of is that it's the most-produced 109 and an iconic aircraft.

[Archie]

It will be a decent bomber hunter, not sure I would want to face an LA-5 FN in it!

[Luftschiff]

Aside from the weapons? Nothing.

[MrNoice]

sure... its even slower and heavier than the G4

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

2x 13mm MG131, 1x 30mm MK108, so much Oomph for overall virtually only little additional weight. Just bring 50 liters less fuel..  (Takeoff weight for G-6 was ~3150kg). You got the buldges for a bit more drag though. G4 might dash a bit quicker.

Edited November 18, 2017 by 2./JG51_Fenris_Wolf

[purK]

Deflection shooting with the 30mm will be worth it alone. 

[Guest deleted@50488]

Ok,

 

so it's mainly a "bellic" advantage, and not a "revolutionary" airframe or engine, liek the K-4 will be, as well as the G-14.

 

Thank you guys!

Edited November 18, 2017 by jcomm

[xvii-Dietrich]

Forget weapons, forget performance.

 

I'd go for the G-6 solely on the basis it was used by the Finnish Air force.

 

The FiAF operated over 100 x Bf 109 G-6s. I really hope one of the office paint-schemes for the aircraft is a Finnish one.

 

[Asgar]

Ok,

 

so it's mainly a "bellic" advantage, and not a "revolutionary" airframe or engine, liek the K-4 will be, as well as the G-14.

 

Thank you guys!

the K-4 is neither of these things, all the things on the K-4 have been on other versions before. the K-4 was merely an attempt to standardise between all the versions that were produced at the time, G-10, G-14, G-6/AS AM AMS etc.

[Guest deleted@50488]

the K-4 is neither of these things, all the things on the K-4 have been on other versions before. the K-4 was merely an attempt to standardise between all the versions that were produced at the time, G-10, G-14, G-6/AS AM AMS etc.

 

So, even the modified airframe was already common to other models. Ok, and the engine / fuel system with the Methanol injection was also not new ? I ask because I actually don't pay much attention to these details, but I did use the K-4 in another sim, actually in two sims before ( FSX included :-) ) and it's an aircraft I am really looking forward to test in IL2 BoB.

[707shap_Srbin]

I really hope one of the office paint-schemes for the aircraft is a Finnish one.

 

A little bit spoiler, tp heat up future DD

 

 

 

 

Edited November 19, 2017 by I./ZG1_Panzerbar

[Kurfurst]

So, even the modified airframe was already common to other models. Ok, and the engine / fuel system with the Methanol injection was also not new ? I ask because I actually don't pay much attention to these details, but I did use the K-4 in another sim, actually in two sims before ( FSX included :-) ) and it's an aircraft I am really looking forward to test in IL2 BoB.

 

Technically speaking, the airframe wasnt common. There are more than a thousand small changes on the 109K, and an equal number of changes effecting the DB 605D engine. The difference however is the details, such as steel leading edge slats, different generator, re-arranger telecom systems, dual purpose MW/fuel tank, 'built in' air supply for the MK 108 etc. Hence only one factory producing it while the others kept churning out upgraded G airframes, such as the G-10 that was a hybrid - G airframe with K internals. Sure, from the practical point of view, there was not that much difference in how they performed or fundamental differences like change of wing shape etc., and many of the improvements - such as taller tail, streamlined cowling, taller tailwheel, streamlined wing bulges - were first tested on, and indeed retrofitted to the G models. 

[Guest deleted@50488]

Technically speaking, the airframe wasnt common. There are more than a thousand small changes on the 109K, and an equal number of changes effecting the DB 605D engine. The difference however is the details, such as steel leading edge slats, different generator, re-arranger telecom systems, dual purpose MW/fuel tank, 'built in' air supply for the MK 108 etc. Hence only one factory producing it while the others kept churning out upgraded G airframes, such as the G-10 that was a hybrid - G airframe with K internals. Sure, from the practical point of view, there was not that much difference in how they performed or fundamental differences like change of wing shape etc., and many of the improvements - such as taller tail, streamlined cowling, taller tailwheel, streamlined wing bulges - were first tested on, and indeed retrofitted to the G models. 

 

Precious info!  Thx   

[Jaws2002]

In real life the 13mm machine guns were a big upgrade.

[MrNoice]

A little bit spoiler, tp heat up future DD

 

 

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I dont think they will add swastika skins ;D even though its a finnish skin

[BlitzPig_EL]

I agree, no swastika for the Finns.

 

It will be this...

 

 

 

Sadly.

[Lusekofte]

Well all I read about concerning G6 is late and early , what are we getting? Because there suppose to be a big difference

[Field-Ops]

We are supposed to get Early since mid-late 1943 is when the G6 was just showing up on the front. 

 

I wouldnt expect Mw-50, Erla Canopy, or larger tail / vertical stabilizer 

[Finkeren]

We are supposed to get Early since mid-late 1943 is when the G6 was just showing up on the front.

 

I wouldnt expect Mw-50, Erla Canopy, or larger tail / vertical stabilizer

It is an early (1943) G6. It’s recognizable by the long radio mast.

 

The things you mentioned will all come with the G14.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

In real life the 13mm machine guns were a big upgrade.

Very true.

 

Guys, we should not forget, we're not in War Thunder here where all kinds of MGs are useless. Supposedly the 13mm were finally useful guns and should easily take down fighters on their own.

[Kurfurst]

In real life the 13mm machine guns were a big upgrade.

 

Fun fact - the 13mm ones were also EXACTLY the same size as the 7.92mm MG 17s. It was an easy swap.

[A-E-Hartmann]

Messerschmitt made sure that the implemented and maintenance of weapons bort easy. Which is an advantage for the mechanics.

Even though the G-6 model is heavier than this predecessor it remains a very effective weapon in the hands of a seasoned pilot.
Once the "flight to the energy" acquired it is formidable.
For the 13mm these weapons have been very effective and give good results.

[Finkeren]

I honestly don’t understand why people talk about the upgraded armament on the G6 as if it is no big deal, yet some of those same people also complain endlessly about the armament of the 109 being too weak.

[Asgar]

Fun fact - the 13mm ones were also EXACTLY the same size as the 7.92mm MG 17s. It was an easy swap.

yes, they were exactly the same size and that's why they had to put the Beulen on the nose to fit them in 

[707shap_Srbin]

yes, they were exactly the same size and that's why they had to put the Beulen on the nose to fit them in 

MG itself was same size, but ammunition feeder  output element was larger. That required a Beule.

[Asgar]

MG itself was same size, but ammunition feeder  output element was larger. That required a Beule.

length yes, the same, but the reciever of the 131 is bulkier. and also, can you use an MG without the ammo feed? 

[707shap_Srbin]

I mean exactly that We are talking about same thing.

[VeryOldMan]

I honestly don’t understand why people talk about the upgraded armament on the G6 as if it is no big deal, yet some of those same people also complain endlessly about the armament of the 109 being too weak.

Simply because  a lot remember the even  larger deal of the elephant hunting machine gun  of 30 mm

 

Maybe later when BoB is released they might add  the Mk108 as a mod tot he G6.

[Voidhunger]

Simply because  a lot remember the even  larger deal of the elephant hunting machine gun  of 30 mm

 

Maybe later when BoB is released they might add  the Mk108 as a mod tot he G6.

There will be MK108 in the G6

[EAF19_Marsh]

The barrel lengths on the MG151s, does that mean the 15mm had a higher muzzle velocity?

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

 

 

The barrel lengths on the MG151s, does that mean the 15mm had a higher muzzle velocity?

 

Yes, but also due to smaller projectile, but same cartridge size.

[Finkeren]

The barrel lengths on the MG151s, does that mean the 15mm had a higher muzzle velocity?

Yes, and as a consequense the 15mm had superior armor penetration.

[VeryOldMan]

There will be MK108 in the G6

Well that alone is enough reason to buy it.   Now I wish I had the spare money to do it right now