Where are the bombers?

[SAG]

I hope that the next release of the game includes bombers, now that all the p51 and spitfire people will be satisfied (hopefully they will) I hope the game gets the financial leverage it needs and deserves to get what we all want, in my case that is bombers and deeper gameplay than just Bomb A or drop Xplane. hopefully Airmarshall will be a good step in the right direction

[PatrickAWlson]

Livai: if we don't get the Ju-262 I am not buying the game!!! 

[LukeFF]

My point exactly

 

The P-47: defining exactly what a radial-engined fighter should be. 

[EAF19_Marsh]

Tempest Mk.V

 

Armament

4 × 20 mm (.79 in) Mark II Hispano cannons, 200 rpg. Later models used Mark V Hispano Cannons.  

2 × 500 lb (227 kg) or 1,000 lb (454 kg) bombs

8 × 3 in (76.2 mm) RP-3 rockets (Possibly post-Second World War)

Provision for 2 × 45 gal (205 l) or 2 × 90 gal (409 l) drop tanks.

 

 

The 2TAF models over the Ardennes would all have Hispanno Vs, as these were introduced on the Series II; the Series I was out of production by then (and few were likely left, owing to the propensity for the early Sabres to break). Hopefully, we get a Series II has this has the better cannon, provision for rockets, bombs and tanks as well as the more powerful Sabre IIB.

 

Not sure about the bombs, but the tanks had little effect on performance and tended to be retained rather than dropped.

[56RAF_Roblex]

 

Hi, I am very disappointed not to include bomber planes at level ...

 

In that period of the war there was a good fan of bombers in both sides.

 

It is very disappointing that they focus on Jabo planes and fighters.

 

 It seems that to the users that we like to make our releases of bombs to 5000m or more, we are excluded from this new scenario ... it is a pity.

  regards

 

 

Now come on. Think this this through. 

 

Imagine that instead of giving us two or three fighters at $20 each they put all their development effort into building a B17 that they can only sell at £30.   

Bomber fans buy it and the fighter fans complain there are no new fighters.

Bomber fans complain that with the 9km visibility limit they can only use their B17 at low level.

Jason says, as he has said several times, that they are struggling to find a way to increase the visibility limit at all.

Complaints, fury, outrage, tantrums from both fighter & bomber fans.  Reduced income. Less money to spend on developing the game and new aircraft.

[707shap_Srbin]

Hope we could have Ar234B "Blitz" as german level-bomber. With KG76,it actually participated in Bodenplatte , along with Me262's of KG51.

[Feathered_IV]

If the long-time reason from developers ie: that building all those gunners positions is what stops them making more bombers is correct.  Then I would say please don't model them.  I never spend any significant amount of time in a turret anyway and I suspect most people don't either.  I'd rather have a flyable B-25 with just the pilot's cabin than no flyable B-25 at all. 

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

That would be so wrong. I dont know how many people use those positions actually but they are main part of the multicrew aspect that is supposed to be transferred to tanks in future. It would be a step back, particularly due to fact that even War Thunder made a decision to implement gunner positions - even though its very artificial and primitive in a way they did it, but still. Most of the people did not spend any significant time in Ju-52 either, is it a reason to never introduce DC-3 or Lisunov Li-2 ?  

[Brano]

Damn P-47 carries a higher bombload than Pe-2 xD

...and a naked chicks on engine cowling :D

[Lusekofte]

 

 

The P-47: defining exactly what a radial-engined fighter should be. 

Reluctantly buying this piece of pack of witch name I can think but not mention. The P 47 and P 38 somehow make it a little interesting. I cannot understand why they can make a two engined jet a 2 engined piston and keep out the Arado jet bomber witch had only one pilot. Just for the benefit of those who do not like dogfighting.

I think I will fly the 262 also, my guess and hope is that this is or can be chosen to be the bomber version of it. I really cannot see any other use for it in this setting 

[Trooper117]

I can't believe some people... if it's not one thing it's another. This time it's 'no bombers'... plus, whinges about 'they are leaving the eastern front'  ...

Now you know what it's like being at the other end of the stick mate... there are many of us that have missed the western front for quite some time, having to endure the eastern front and then what looked like the Pacific before this latest announcement.

 

I don't know if you have noticed chaps, but there are many new faces that have suddenly turned up, plus quite a few old faces that have returned to the forums recently, I wonder why that is?

Plus, on other aviation forums this is big news, and there are many that are saying they will now buy into the game... that's great news for the team.

 

I have wanted to go back to being an RAF flyer, plus I wanted to do it in the BoS world of aviation ever since this version of IL2 came out... yet I have bought everything the dev's have put out on the eastern front, hoping it would one day lead to the western front.

Well, now it has, and the boot is on the other foot guys... time to stop the lamenting and keep supporting, just like many of us 'Westies' have been doing since day one!

[Lusekofte]

 

 

2.  To remind those who might be disappointed, to remember that Jason hinted at a flyable B-25.

 

Not to this pack, I honestly think he has ambitions to do Pacific. Now when we have to wait for it, I hope it is worth waiting for. I do not talk about BOMidway , I talk the whole chiobang Guinea you name it we get it. I hope this will bring the money.

But I have a sound scepticism about the whole thing, now we get the best of the best fighters, Typhoon is obsolete after this pack together with just about everything else . I think the new customers do not want Wildcat , Typhoon, Beufighters, and B25´s .

You cannot go back in flight simulators, that is for us few witch do not bring money to the table 

[LuftManu]

I understand you guys. I fly both figthers and bombers but this drama is quite annoying.

 

Be happy with the things you have. I can say for sure that bombers will come... BOBp is not even out yet..

[Trooper117]

I understand you guys. I fly both figthers and bombers but this drama is quite annoying.

 

Be happy with the things you have. I can say for sure that bombers will come... BOBp is not even out yet..

 

Yes, people seem to forget that we have that gorgeous looking Kuban map, a new campaign system, new graphics tech and features etc, three new aircraft that many have raved about, all to come and be enjoyed  next month!...

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Hope we could have Ar234B "Blitz" as german level-bomber. With KG76,it actually participated in Bodenplatte , along with Me262's of KG51.

A bit off topic, the Arado was moer in action as a reconissence aircraft than a bomber (as it was pruposely designed to just do that). The conversations faced troubles like instability, too low performence (making them highly vulnerable to contemporary enemy fighters of the time), collapsing landing gears ect. Only a small portion of them were used in a bombing role in 1945 yet it seems to be the one it's most reknown for.

 

Still it seems some Arados were indeed in service as a bomber with III./KG76 during Bodenplatte (going by 'Bodenplatte: The Luftwaffe's Last Hope' John Manrho, Ron Pütz).

[Danziger]

I can't believe some people... if it's not one thing it's another. This time it's 'no bombers'... plus, whinges about 'they are leaving the eastern front' ...

Now you know what it's like being at the other end of the stick mate... there are many of us that have missed the western front for quite some time, having to endure the eastern front and then what looked like the Pacific before this latest announcement.

 

I don't know if you have noticed chaps, but there are many new faces that have suddenly turned up, plus quite a few old faces that have returned to the forums recently, I wonder why that is?

Plus, on other aviation forums this is big news, and there are many that are saying they will now buy into the game... that's great news for the team.

 

I have wanted to go back to being an RAF flyer, plus I wanted to do it in the BoS world of aviation ever since this version of IL2 came out... yet I have bought everything the dev's have put out on the eastern front, hoping it would one day lead to the western front.

Well, now it has, and the boot is on the other foot guys... time to stop the lamenting and keep supporting, just like many of us 'Westies' have been doing since day one!

This.

 

I loved the Eastern Front and hope the continued filling out of the maps and planes can be handled by the contractors. Since the Pacific couldn't be realized yet I think it is a great move to let the hot rod western fighter jocks have their turn.

 

It's something that has been asked for a lot over the years and this team listens to the fans. It's going to be awesome just like the other titles. It saddens me to see how easily people lose the faith.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Let me tell you a story about Thunderbolts being used as bombers...

 

Of the few veterans I've been around often in my life, most of them were from 1 GAvCa. They fought from the end of 1944 until the end of hostilities in Italy.

 

Flying ground attack sorties against heavily defended German targets as part of USAAF 350th FG, their statistics speak of their professionalism:

 

49 pilots were deployed in total but casualties meant that only 23 were flying after six months. With no rotations or reinforcements, the remaining pilots were flying two to three sorties a day to keep the unit going.

 

1 GAvCa flew only 5% of all XXII Tactical Air Command sorties. Officially, their actions amounted to 15% of vehicles destroyed, 28% of bridges destroyed, 36% of fuel depots hit and a whooping 85% of ammunition depots hit.

 

With its durability, firepower and payload, the P-47 is a fast Il-2. Once you learn to treat it right this heavy beauty will reward you immensely

[Lusekofte]

 

 

I can't believe some people..

 

Have you never seen disappointment .

 

Promised Pacific and got this. To me this is a 50% cut of hobby . If I was being a drama queen I say it is a big middle finger right in some faces. But I am not. I am saying I think this will backfire, and I am sceptic about there ever will be a Pacific theatre .

 

This is a money collection pack with absolutely no interest, and it replaced a pack that was of great interest. If you are happy for it, be my guest. But do not patronise me for disagreeing  

[LuftManu]

Have you never seen disappointment .

 

Promised Pacific and got this. To me this is a 50% cut of hobby . If I was being a drama queen I say it is a big middle finger right in some faces. But I am not. I am saying I think this will backfire, and I am sceptic about there ever will be a Pacific theatre .

 

This is a money collection pack with absolutely no interest, and it replaced a pack that was of great interest. If you are happy for it, be my guest. But do not patronise me for disagreeing  

"Promised Pacific and got this" So you wanted the Pacific or bombers right? Sorry but this is what we´ve got. I love Il-2 and flying WW2 planes. I bought everything because:

1. I want to support them

2. I enjoy flying even when my favourite plane is not here.

 

"big middle finger right in some faces" They never confirmed the Pacific was going to be 100% a go. Like in all industries "Everything is subject to change" and let me tell you that as for today 1GCS is the one that at least delivered what promised.

 

 "I think this will backfire" Why do you think that? 

 

" no interest... replaced a pack that was of great interest " For you

 

To sum up. You are angry and sad because they didn´t release your favourite planeset and theater, right?

Please, don´t take this personal. I am trying to figure out why this is happening.

 

I Suggest you one thing: Show Jason how many of you are willing to buy a bomber pack after the release of BOBP. If it is profiatble they will do it like they did with Ju 52, G6, La5FN... I am going to support it  because I like WW2 aircraft althoug I have my preferences.

Edited November 19, 2017 by LF_ManuV

[xvii-Dietrich]

Chaps, we have to stop fuelling the flames here.

Part of this stems from people the different meanings of the word "bomber". Insulting level-bomber pilots with  "Hahahahaha... here's a P51 with bombs. That's a bomber, ya' 8yo dramma queen!"  is not really going to help, is it?

To those who wanted a late-war level-bomber, or an Allied transport, or the Pacific, or a seaplane... I feel your pain. But the Pacific is not cancelled... merely postponed. There is a B-25 AI on its way... and, going by the Ju52 example, it might one day be made flyable. But it is a massive undertaking, so it will take time. The Bodenplatte planeset is different, sure, but it is a new IL2 expansion... the series continues. That is a good thing. And western front and late-war will bring in more pilots and that is also a good thing.

So, let's focus on the positive.

Let's expand Friday Night Bomber Flight to more nights. Let's have paradrop events. Let's build massive bomber airports and put them into our servers. Let's look ahead to the B-25. Let's build missions to support transports. Let's diversify and experiment with the P-38. Let's take the Bodenplatte map and design earlier missions with He-111s, Ju 87s, Spit.Vs and P-40s. Our toolset is expanding... let's be ingenious about using it.

Oh, and there is a brand-new A-20 bomber on its way; that is guaranteed.

 

[Danziger]

Jesus some of you guys are starting to outwhine the Luftwhiners...

[Rolling_Thunder]

Bombwhiners...

There are plenty of bombers in game already. An A-20 on the way.

There are many very generous folk in these forums that make this place very unique. However some of these threads make me shake my head in disbelief. "Me, me, me... where's my bomber, i hate you, im not spending any more money you've stolen my kidney" There's only so much the devs can do at once. Theres bombers already, there's bombers in the works. The RAF, USAAF guys/gals are getting their moment next at the expence of the USN Japanese. Jason has explained the reasons for this.

Jason has also expressed, in the past, a desire to encompass the whole of the air war in WW2. They cant do it all at once. Some folk will be disappointed at the announcement of every new expansion. I was pissed at the announcement of Kuban. I bought it eventually. Everybody knows the B25 will eventually be flyable yet some folk whine that they will have to pay for it "again". The devs can't win.

"But there's been bombers in every expansion its how things are done why change it now"

"But bodenplatte was an operation, you shouldnt call it "battle of". You should change the naming now."

These forums are full of the very best and some of the very worst of the flight sim community.

[BraveSirRobin]

I am saying I think this will backfire

 

They are simulating a bunch of the war’s most iconic aircraft. The chances that this will “backfire” are pretty close to zero.

[xvii-Dietrich]

Luftwhiners...

 

 

Bombwhiners...

 

 

 

 

I was actually trying to be positive about things. I didn't realise I was still coming across as so negative.

Yes, I agree with you both that we already do have level-bombers (He-111, Pe-2, Ju-88 and, soon, A-20).

Apologies for making a mess of things. It was not my intention to whine. I am sorry.

[Asgar]

The P-47: defining exactly what a radial-engined fighter should be. 

too big and too heavy?   

[Lusekofte]

Now come on. Think this this through. 

 

Imagine that instead of giving us two or three fighters at $20 each they put all their development effort into building a B17 that they can only sell at £30.   

Bomber fans buy it and the fighter fans complain there are no new fighters.

Bomber fans complain that with the 9km visibility limit they can only use their B17 at low level.

Jason says, as he has said several times, that they are struggling to find a way to increase the visibility limit at all.

Complaints, fury, outrage, tantrums from both fighter & bomber fans.  Reduced income. Less money to spend on developing the game and new aircraft.

 

yeah a real fighter pilots point of view, without the whole community this game will be nothing but a FPS game . Come on if you try to get your own pow thru, try to see others. In my point of view it would be easier to come to terms if Jason said he would only support Fighter jockeys point of view since they are in bigger numbers. 

But the logic fails, when a game get less interesting for one group, it tend to shift into something the other group do not like and numbers decrease all over the board. 

I am well aware of the fact that dogfighting wannabe aces is dominant in this game, but sometimes things do not work out the way you think, even when things goes your way. Look at COD , numbers of players decreased considerable when Bomber pilots started to abandon. 

There should be room for everyone, and in this pack it is not. 

Edited November 19, 2017 by 216th_LuseKofte

[Legioneod]

The answer for why there are no heavy bombers in any BoX titles is simple: the maps are not big enough. 

This is false imo. Ever played 1946? those maps were small and they still had some room for the heavies. Map size is not a legitimate excuse, they could always have air starts.

[Lusekofte]

"Promised Pacific and got this" So you wanted the Pacific or bombers right? Sorry but this is what we´ve got. I love Il-2 and flying WW2 planes. I bought everything because:

1. I want to support them

2. I enjoy flying even when my favourite plane is not here.

 

"big middle finger right in some faces" They never confirmed the Pacific was going to be 100% a go. Like in all industries "Everything is subject to change" and let me tell you that as for today 1GCS is the one that at least delivered what promised.

 

 "I think this will backfire" Why do you think that? 

 

" no interest... replaced a pack that was of great interest " For you

 

To sum up. You are angry and sad because they didn´t release your favourite planeset and theater, right?

Please, don´t take this personal. I am trying to figure out why this is happening.

 

I Suggest you one thing: Show Jason how many of you are willing to buy a bomber pack after the release of BOBP. If it is profiatble they will do it like they did with Ju 52, G6, La5FN... I am going to support it  because I like WW2 aircraft althoug I have my preferences.

I said in all my post, well most that I will buy this pack, and I will try out some of the planes. I admit a curiosity on how they will make the 262, Tempest, P 47 and P 38. I probably buy 3 or 4 of this pack and donate them. Like I have done with all other packs and collector planes. But I think this is a strategy that is going to fail, this is why I strongly advice against it. I might be wrong, hope I am wrong is better to say. But I will end my posting concerning this , since it referred to as whining. 

It is not, it is called caring for a hobby and enthusiasm for it. The patronising tone of Rolling thunder is really not bothering me. I simply disagree on the path

[Legioneod]

I said in all my post, well most that I will buy this pack, and I will try out some of the planes. I admit a curiosity on how they will make the 262, Tempest, P 47 and P 38. I probably buy 3 or 4 of this pack and donate them. Like I have done with all other packs and collector planes. But I think this is a strategy that is going to fail, this is why I strongly advice against it. I might be wrong, hope I am wrong is better to say. But I will end my posting concerning this , since it referred to as whining. 

It is not, it is called caring for a hobby and enthusiasm for it. The patronising tone of Rolling thunder is really not bothering me. I simply disagree on the path

 

Idk, I think this pack will be extremely successful despite not having level bombers. Its a move to the western theater which many people want, myself included. Bombers ill come at a later date just gotta give it time.

 

I do have my own concerns as well though, like whether or not the Jug will meet my expectations.

 

At least with a move to the western theater they don't have to use as many resources making new aircraft, they can use some of the axis aircraft from the eastern front as well even if they may be a little outdated.

Edited November 19, 2017 by Legioneod

[Gambit21]

Chaps, we have to stop fuelling the flames here.

Part of this stems from people the different meanings of the word "bomber". Insulting level-bomber pilots with  "Hahahahaha... here's a P51 with bombs. That's a bomber, ya' 8yo dramma queen!"  is not really going to help, is it?

 

I missed that post somehow.

[Lusekofte]

 

 

Idk, I think this pack will be extremely successful despite not having level bombers

 

I think so too, for the time being. But the customers you gain by this game , do not want to go back in time. They wont fly Wildcats and Dauntless. I think there is no going back from this, and then what next?  

[Warpig]

I think so too, for the time being. But the customers you gain by this game , do not want to go back in time. They wont fly Wildcats and Dauntless. I think there is no going back from this, and then what next?  

You're wrong. As a fighter jock, it's not only about flying the latest planes. It's about the matchups. Whether it's 1942 or 1944-45 doesn't matter. The earlier planes will always carry merit.

 

Under your logic, nobody playing this game should ever have reason to be interested in WWI planes, because they've already been preceded by WWII planes. But as you can clearly tell, that is not the case.

 

I think you're just desperately reaching to justify your position. I for one, will still be just as excited to fly a Wildcat if they come later down the road.

Edited November 19, 2017 by Warpig

[Rolling_Thunder]

 

 

The patronising tone of Rolling thunder is really not bothering me.

 

Let me assure you, I am not trying to be patronizing. I am trying to see it from everybody's point of view. The devs are not going to please everybody with every release. No amount of complaining is going to change the fact that Bodenplatte is next. The store is open and the money is flowing. You either accept it or you continue on your fruitless path of tantrums and banging your head against a wall. I tried that with Kuban. It doesn't work. The next path is set. 

[Rolling_Thunder]

 

 

But the customers you gain by this game , do not want to go back in time. They wont fly Wildcats and Dauntless. I think there is no going back from this, and then what next?

 

After BoBP I would still buy a Midway as will many others. Then that will be up to the servers I would think, if you're talking about MP. Nobody would chose to fly a wildcat against a K4 or D9 and no server worth it's salt would have such a matchup. 

[Stig]

I think so too, for the time being. But the customers you gain by this game , do not want to go back in time. They wont fly Wildcats and Dauntless. I think there is no going back from this, and then what next?  

 

That may be right, Luse, but those customers will have their perfect dogfight playground and getting it, they will have helped fund future expansions in this series; so that us that are looking forward to Wildcats and Dauntless's may actually get to fly them later on. There's no guarantee that the PTO will happen, but then there never was.

 

 

OTOH, five years ago I had reconciled myself that a modded Cliffs of Dover was the last WWII flightsim that I was going to see.     

[ATAG_Flare]

I mean, I love bombers just as much as the rest of us, but couldn't the He-111 from the Kuban expansion maybe be used on the west front? Sure, it's a slightly older model so many would probably complain about the historical accuracy, but if you really wanted to bomb you could use it.

 

The Allies though, really should have gotten a B-26 or a Mosquito.

[Lusekofte]

 

 

That may be right, Luse, but those customers will have their perfect dogfight playground and getting it,

 

You know, this is actually a good point, thank you.

 

I will buy this pack x 3 and donate 3 . I will test the 262 , P 47 , P 38 and Tempest. My disappointment is lied to rest and one should face the facts and hope for more later on. And now I am finished with this.

Sorry Rolling Thunder, I got a bit carried away.

 

I really do not have a wish for more packs and planes, I wish for a pack where the planes we have got upgraded avionics , bomb aimer interface and a standard Hotas setup in control interfaces.  

[216th_Jordan]

Damn P-47 carries a higher bombload than Pe-2 xD

 

Damn, P-47 even weighs more than Pe-2

[Legioneod]

Damn, P-47 even weighs more than Pe-2

Not exactly, but it is close. Jug is around 2000 lbs lighter

 

Its crazy how fast the Jug was for its size, one of the fastest aircraft in the US arsenal if not the fastest. The P-47m had a top speed of around 470 mph.

Edited November 19, 2017 by Legioneod

[BraveSirRobin]

I think so too, for the time being. But the customers you gain by this game , do not want to go back in time. They wont fly Wildcats and Dauntless. I think there is no going back from this, and then what next?

 

Is that why you only play jet simulators?