No Mosquito or Typhoon - NOT Moaning though

[BOO]

Before i start, this is not going to diminsih my enjoyment nor am i overly angst ridden about it. Todays announcement was good news in my book. 

 

Just curious to wonder why two aircraft types that would be very much around and playing important roles in the time frame and theatre have not been included from the outset given the air support nature of things  (away from the Defence of Reich and strategic bombing) at that point. 

 

Same goes for the 410 and Blitz but I'm guessing here data is scarce on top of anything else..

[Warpig]

BoB has the Tempest Mk.V. That's even better than the Typhoon.

[=RvE=Windmills]

Wouldn't be too crazy to imagine these as premium planes being added later, I suspect they were already tight on resources so some omissions had to be made.

 

Not too critical since the 110G2 can be used as a substitute for the 410, probably the A20B can be used as a twin engine for the allies until that time. Also both sides have plenty of carrying capacity on their single engines to make for decent ground pounding until some more machines are added.

[Jade_Monkey]

The planeset is based on the actual operation Bodenplatte, not just the timeframe.

 

I do hope they are able to create other planes for the period as collectors planes eventually.

[BOO]

BoB has the Tempest Mk.V. That's even better than the Typhoon.

 

True but they had very different roles in main. Would be nice to have the choice. But point taken

 

Wouldn't be too crazy to imagine these as premium planes being added later, I suspect they were already tight on resources so some omissions had to be made.

 

Not too critical since the 110G2 can be used as a substitute for the 410, probably the A20B can be used as a twin engine for the allies until that time. Also both sides have plenty of carrying capacity on their single engines to make for decent ground pounding until some more machines are added.

 

The A20 is not a Mosquito on any terms and wasn't around I don't think but again, point taken, with the GA singles capability its not like the reds will be disadvantaged by not having the Mossie!!

 

The planeset is based on the actual operation Bodenplatte, not just the timeframe.

 

I do hope they are able to create other planes for the period as collectors planes eventually.

 

You cant prop up an entire expansion on the action of a single day so I'm also hoping this too. 

[busdriver]

The FB Mk VI Mosquito is what I'm waiting for...not holding my breath however. 

Edited November 17, 2017 by busdriver

[HandyNasty]

We have Collector planes like yak1b, La5FN.... Mosquito is a very very suitable choice for a collector plane in the timeframe of Bodenplatte

[Cpt_Cool]

Interesting. what would you remove from the current offering to fit the mossie into the 8+2 lineup?

[BOO]

Interesting. what would you remove from the current offering to fit the mossie into the 8+2 lineup?

 

Personally the Spitfire as I'm bored to death of Spitfires. But I can see your point - the plane set is well balanced so given the restrains of the 8 +2 there probably isn't much you could drop. 

[Luger1969]

Lets hope for the future then. When Bok was announced if i remember correctly from very early Jason said that he would like to do the g6 and fn. We are at the end of the bok cycle and these are coming soon.

 

I wiki"d bodenplatte and the typhoon was very prominent on bases attacked.

 

I must say with that exception the planeset looks spoton. Regarding bombers (lanc and b25 -17 also present) i appreciate difficulties to bring to the sim.

 

Lets hope for the and a repeat of the fn/g6.

 

I vote for a collector mossie plus a typhoon.

[mogge]

I vote for a collector mossie plus a typhoon.

 

+1 collector mossie.

[busdriver]

Interesting. what would you remove from the current offering to fit the mossie into the 8+2 lineup?

 

Nothing at all or perhaps the P-38. The Mosquito is really the only airplane that "blows my skirt up." Perhaps think of it as a Ju-52 collector item. 

[Cpt_Cool]

Personally the Spitfire as I'm bored to death of Spitfires. But I can see your point - the plane set is well balanced so given the restrains of the 8 +2 there probably isn't much you could drop. 

 

I hear ya. i hope they get the mossie in a collector aircraft.

[EAF19_Marsh]

Mosquito a good bet for collector's aircraft if this plan rolls.

 

With Ar-234 as the match-up...

[HBPencil]

Without the Tiffie in the game I wonder if the devs will do what was done in '46 and have bombs and RPs as options for the Tempest, which was cleared to use them although they never did except for a handful of bomb drops by one squadron at the very end of the war.

[BOO]

Without the Tiffie in the game I wonder if the devs will do what was done in '46 and have bombs and RPs as options for the Tempest, which was cleared to use them although they never did except for a handful of bomb drops by one squadron at the very end of the war.

 

judging by the extra bonus images posted id say "yes"

[CUJO_1970]

I'm sure the developers will add new aircraft as time and resources permit.

[CanadaOne]

Nothing at all or perhaps the P-38. The Mosquito is really the only airplane that "blows my skirt up." Perhaps think of it as a Ju-52 collector item. 

 

I hope the Mosquito, if we get one, comes with the 4000lb chunk o' goodness.

 

[HBPencil]

judging by the extra bonus images posted id say "yes"

Interesting, thanks... I can't view the announcement page (overloaded page error) so all I know is what ShamrockOneFive posted on his site and what I can pick up in the various threads here.

[BOO]

Interesting, thanks... I can't view the announcement page (overloaded page error) so all I know is what ShamrockOneFive posted on his site and what I can pick up in the various threads here.

 

ah, It was a tempest with the rocket rails....

[Alexmarine]

Bodenplatte will be a feast for fighter-bombers/Jabo. The A-8 (with highly probable F-8 mod.) and the D-9 will probably be the main Jabo strenght for the LW, maybe even the 262. On the allied side I think that all the plane will be able to mount ground attack ordnances (I am not sure on the P-38...)

[=362nd_FS=RoflSeal]

Bodenplatte will be a feast for fighter-bombers/Jabo. The A-8 (with highly probable F-8 mod.) and the D-9 will probably be the main Jabo strenght for the LW, maybe even the 262. On the allied side I think that all the plane will be able to mount ground attack ordnances (I am not sure on the P-38...)

Oh P-38 will have a ton of ground ordnance available

[Alexmarine]

Oh P-38 will have a ton of ground ordnance available

Yeah, stupid me that I forgot that I even read about it

[JG5_Zesphr]

As much as I love the tiffy, the tempest is more than a fair plane to have instead but I wholly agree I do want a mossie VI or XVI. The 410 would be a good counter or even the 190G to give both dedicated attacker aircraft. 

[Livai]

The planeset is based on the actual operation Bodenplatte, not just the timeframe.

 

Operation Bodenplatte is based on the airfields what were attacked and on the planes what each attacked airfield had placed on the ground at this time, moment, timeframe where the attack started.

 

There were B-17 Bombers, Avro Lancaster and Havilland Mosquito on the ground at this time, moment, timeframe............................I am talking concrete about the airfields B.60 and B.67

[EAF19_Marsh]

 

Without the Tiffie in the game I wonder if the devs will do what was done in '46 and have bombs and RPs as options for the Tempest, which was cleared to use them although they never did except for a handful of bomb drops by one squadron at the very end of the war.

 

They were cleared for bombs and RPs from late Series 1 but there was never a great reason to carry them as their role was low level air superiority, not dedicated CAS.

 

[HappyHaddock]

About the only thing that could tempt me out of the cockpit of a sopwith camel might be the wooden wonder of WWII.

 

This week has already brought news that the camel should make it into the IL2 series, all this speculation that a mossie might one day make it as well is getting a bit too much to cope with... next somebody will mention anti-submarine missions over the Norwegians fyords and I'll lose all sense of self control!

 

I know it won't happen soon but then many have been saying for years that ROF2 wouldn't happen at all.... I live in hope that all good things come to those who wait. 

[VesseL]

I dont understand why the game model is always the 8+2+mapx2. I could accept some variations and names too. They are doing great job, im more than happy thou.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 18, 2017 by VesseL

[Rjel]

I hope the Mosquito, if we get one, comes with the 4000lb chunk o' goodness.

 

 

But please, please give us the 8 gun nosed Mosquito too. What a brute.

[Wulf]

I think a realistic representation of this period of the war is simply inconceivable without the Mosquito.  I'm fairly confident it will be added later but a reassuring word from the devs would be nice.

 

Oh, and the Typhoon as well.  Absolutely needed.

Edited November 18, 2017 by Wulf

[Lusekofte]

 

 

I do hope they are able to create other planes for the period as collectors planes eventually.

If they could do that they would have had recourses to build pacific , do not kid yourself, they make hot rods for recruiting WT people and the few DCS WW2 flyers out there, and at the same time give those nagging for it here a treat. I think this is the easies less time consuming thing they could do. But what next? There is no next worth mentioning after this last stand of Luftwaffe.

In my opinion this pack represent nothing that I value in a simulator/ game , but yet I can understand why they did it. I just will have a year off , personally .

I do hope this will be a success, so the Pacific can be a reality. Still got over simulators to enjoy

[JG5_Zesphr]

-snip-

 

If I get what you're saying I agree, I also think these packs are to tap into the DCS and WT player base to hopefully get a few more players to allow them to get the time and money to make the pacific a reality. 

 

that being said I actually wanted 1944/45 after BoK so it's a win win in my case at least 

[Lusekofte]

 

 

that being said I actually wanted 1944/45 after BoK so it's a win win in my case at least 

 

I knew we eventually would get there, but have you asked yourself , what next after a climax? for us men it is usually a nap . at least when you turned 50. My wife say she wake up by it, but what ever. If this is what you longed for. Is the rest worth waiting for?

[PainGod85]

Yeah, stupid me that I forgot that I even read about it

 

P-38L has dive flaps, which means Christmas Tree launchers - no more than 10 rockets.

[JG5_Zesphr]

I knew we eventually would get there, but have you asked yourself , what next after a climax? for us men it is usually a nap . at least when you turned 50. My wife say she wake up by it, but what ever. If this is what you longed for. Is the rest worth waiting for?

Some way of putting it but ofc, the pacific theatre is still one of interest to me for family reasons plus the whole aircraft carrier landing and take offs are something I can't wait to try 

[=RvE=Windmills]

P-38L has dive flaps, which means Christmas Tree launchers - no more than 10 rockets.

 

The possibility of zero length rails wasn't retained? Wasn't that a feature before the tree launchers?

[busdriver]

The possibility of zero length rails wasn't retained? Wasn't that a feature before the tree launchers?

 

Referencing Jerry Scutt's Lockeed P-38 Lightning pages 31-32. It says the zero-length launchers were tested on a single L-1 (serial 44-2490) but due to the wiring complexity this arrangement was not adopted. The upper picture that RoflSeal posted is the example tested.

 

The "Christmas tree"  with ten rounds was a late war modification and according to Scutt's only the 49th FG in the Pacific used it operationally. And when they did, they didn't load any 20mm ammo due to weight and balance. Eventually 1,000 kits of this ten round load were manufactured.

 

The more common arrangement was the M-10 triple tube launchers compatible with the J. The caption in one of the photos mentions the labor intensive effort to attach the launchers...and that they're pretty draggy...attached close to the centerline of the airplane (inboard of where external fuel tanks would attach).

[Hoots]

If they could do that they would have had recourses to build pacific , do not kid yourself, they make hot rods for recruiting WT people and the few DCS WW2 flyers out there, and at the same time give those nagging for it here a treat. I think this is the easies less time consuming thing they could do. But what next? There is no next worth mentioning after this last stand of Luftwaffe.

In my opinion this pack represent nothing that I value in a simulator/ game , but yet I can understand why they did it. I just will have a year off , personally .

I do hope this will be a success, so the Pacific can be a reality. Still got over simulators to enjoy

Any chance you could take a year off from complaining about this announcement...

[Pharoah]

I would so purchase the Mosquito as a collectors a/c. There's so much potential with that a/c. I'm hoping the western european map covers some sort of sea (north?) that could make anti shipping strikes possible. 

 

This: 

Edited November 19, 2017 by [ASOR]Pharoah

[CUJO_1970]

The Mosquito, for me at least, is the most interesting British aircraft. Would love to see it included in the sim.

 

I believe it will be eventually, it's just a matter of time and resources.