109 guns

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

33 minutes ago, Solty said:

To me, the current performance of 20mm is overmodeled. There is almost no difference between MG151 and MK108 in power. Both guns need one or 2 shots to completely cripple a P-40 and I have lost wings from both of them with 2 to 4 shots.

 

Maybe you should check out this report. It basically shows how the shvak the hispano and the 150/20 perform in comparison. It should become obvious that the Minen certainly isn´t overmodelled

Regarding your opinion on the Damage of Minengeschoss to P-40. From my experience I can say that this is far from true. P-40 take a rediculous amount of hits before going down

 

 

Regarding your experience from getting hit from behind and taking engine damage, I would recommend you fly Axis for a bit. You will notice that pretty much every hit hitting your fuselage will result in engine failure.

 

Edited June 28, 2018 by =EXPEND=SchwarzeDreizehn

[Ehret]

52 minutes ago, =EXPEND=SchwarzeDreizehn said:

Maybe you should check out this report. It basically shows how the shvak the hispano and the 150/20 perform in comparison. It should become obvious that the Minen certainly isn´t overmodelled

 

The major advantage of German aero-cannons is they are efficient for their weight and could be mounted in such small frames like the 109, not that they offer highest damage per single round, necessarily.

 

Considering the Hispano it shots heavy rounds at high velocity - the momentum alone could seriously damage a spar but those cannons are heavy. The MG108 is not much heavier than the Hispano for an example. No one can claim that G6/G14 are lacking in firepower. For earlier models this could be argued but excellent power-loading needed a compromise somewhere. (and you can mount gun-pods if the punch is more preferable)

Edited June 28, 2018 by Ehret

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

Have you read the report I posted? Do you understand the physical concept of energy?

15 minutes ago, Ehret said:

he major advantage of German aero-cannons is they are efficient for their weight and could be mounted in such small frames like the 109, not that they offer highest damage per single round, necessarily.

 

Because exactly the opposite of what you say is true

[Velxra]

The going "word on the street" for german pilots is to always take the 15's versus the 20's because the 15s actually shoot down planes and are not nerfed.

Edited June 28, 2018 by Geronimo553

[Ehret]

35 minutes ago, =EXPEND=SchwarzeDreizehn said:

Have you read the report I posted? Do you understand the physical concept of energy?

 

Because exactly the opposite of what you say is true

 

So... you claim that the MG151/20 is heavier than the Hispano 20mm?

 

And for the energy it's not everything - you dismiss momentum and fragmentation yet those have major effects especially for high mass high velocity rounds like Hispano's.

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

 oops no I was just referring to the second part of your paragraph.

 

Please look at the report. Look at the source that is cited. The guy in the original report

http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm

specifically states, that he uses a combination of momentum and chemical energy to derive his damage number

MG gets a damage score of 206, Hispano gets a score of 201. Which isn´t much, but claiming it had an advantage because of it is probably wrong.

 

So basically all reports at hand claim that MG and Hispano are about equal with the MG being a little better.

 

That is beside the point however since your argument was that the main advantage of the German MG151 is the weight and the fact that momentum wasn´t accountd for. So if you read the report you see that momentum has been accounted for actually.

The argument about the MG151 having only one clear advantage over the Hispano, which is it´s weight is probably true. But it was clearly superior to the SHvak in all aspects.

 

And this just isn´t reflected in the game at all if you look at the report that Ivy made

 

 

Edited June 28, 2018 by =EXPEND=SchwarzeDreizehn

[150GCT_Veltro]

 

[Velxra]

Any further information on the topic in these past few months? Have we noticed any changes in the damage model in recent updates? Do newer planes have better damage models? etc etc

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Geronimo553 said:

Any further information on the topic in these past few months? Have we noticed any changes in the damage model in recent updates? Do newer planes have better damage models? etc etc

 

Do you read the patch notes and DDs?

[wonders9]

On 6/28/2018 at 10:23 PM, 150GCT_Veltro said:

 

 

Does anyone know the exact original source of the video? I mean, from which libary or whatever was it obtained? I have only seen people claim it was an Mk108 test.

[150GCT_Veltro]

[wonders9]

Thanks for the additional info.

[150GCT_Veltro]

More here:

 

19 minutes ago, JG4_RuckZuck said:

https://imgur.com/gallery/HkGqW?fbclid=IwAR1Mg6HrKlPdBz-hlx3V_2fvw9o3KIsopNRnBWzc3d9mZT4ZUD8pvffxRm8

 

A series of British 1945 tests assessing the lethality of the German 3cm cannon shells against aircraft.

[wonders9]

On 4/4/2018 at 8:56 AM, Operatsiya_Ivy said:

Ammunition is probably the thing the developers got wrong the most. While the game is perfectly playable, a lot of fun and well "balanced"***, they got 20mm ammo belts and damage values wrong. Mainly focusing on Axis ammunition because i have not a lot of knowledge about russian ammunition except for their 20, 23 and 37mm weapons. Feel free to correct me if i am mistaken:

 

• Minengeschosse are not modelled and act as normal HE.
• German 20mm Belt should be M-M-HEI-HEI-API and not AP-HE-HE
• Minengeschosse have more than twice as much destructive energy than the russian 20mm HE (108066 vs. 39920 joules). Yet in game they are nearly identical.

 

 

So the in-game AP-HE-HE belt of the MG151/20 seems strange, and so does it that the belt cannot be customised like those of some other aircraft cannons.

[JG27*PapaFly]

On 11/28/2018 at 10:26 AM, 150GCT_Veltro said:

While looking at the video I realized that, apart from the catastrophic structural damage to the fuselage, the explosion severed the elevator controls. The stick was pulled initially, and you see the elevator drop after the explosion.