Remembrance Day

[6./ZG26_Custard]

Lets not forget those who have served or are serving [around the world] and remember those who are no longer with us.

 

 

 

[Boomerang]

 

[HagarTheHorrible]

Did remembrance last Sunday.

 

Personally I'm rather glad I no longer have to be the pillock marching and standing

for a couple of hours in best dress, shiny boots and polished brasses. It looked bloomin cold and quite frankly I don't really go with all the religious sentimentality. I support the poppy, even as corrupted, debased and politically fractual as it has become in recent years.

 

A moments quiet personal reflection and thought for those who did their duty.

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

If all goes to plan.

Looks like 2018 will be the last ww1 remembrance day which is good.
i think 100 years of morning is enough.

Not like people in 50 years even gonna care (if humans still alive)
 

[HagarTheHorrible]

If all goes to plan.

Looks like 2018 will be the last ww1 remembrance day which is good.

i think 100 years of morning is enough.

Not like people in 50 years even gonna care (if humans still alive)

 

As an interesting aside. When referring to "The War", most people I would have known would automatically have understood exactly what you meant, i.e WW2, no question, no debate "The War" referred to WW2.

 

I had a family , parents and their daughter, who was probably 14 or 15, in at my work. They had picked up a couple of second hand books and in chatting to them I'd told them that the books had come from the library of Lord Woolton, who had been Minister for Food during the War. To my surprise and, I think the surprise of her parents, the daughter asked "Which War ?". I was, to say the least a little stunned, the biggest reference point for most people of my, or my parents generation, was "The War" yet for her, her frame of reference was the Syrian war, the Second World War just didn't come into it.

 

Here in the UK most references to rememberance seem to focus around WW1, now that no one of that generation, who had direct experience, is left and that era becomes increasingly historic, and alien, to present day Britions I wonder if the themes of rememberance will increasingly shift to remembering those from the next generation, or WW2 and as those people pass away so will the appetite for rememberance spectacle disapate, as maybe it should. As the years go by rememberance seems to become more and more political and driven by the cultural norms and needs of today rather than simply taking a couple of moments out of busy lives to stop and think about those who died or were injured selflessly serving their country. I suspect the coming generations will either see it as a tool to use in their arguments or, they will increasingly wonder what all the fuss was about, in an increasingly narcissistic way, and why we remember people's suffering from 100 years ago and not the suffering of people who are alive today ( but might not be tomorrow).

Edited November 12, 2017 by HagarTheHorrible

[56RAF_Roblex]

I suspect the coming generations will either see it as a tool to use in their arguments or, they will increasingly wonder what all the fuss was about, in an increasingly narcissistic way, and why we remember people's suffering from 100 years ago and not the suffering of people who are alive today ( but might not be tomorrow).

 

 

Do you think any of the combatants of WW1 gave even one minutes thought per year to the people that died stopping Napoleon in the early 1800s?   How about the WW2 combatants and the Crimean War losses less than 100 years earlier?   That is not a criticism,  nor is it a call for us earlier generations to forget the lessons,  I am just saying it might be unfair to criticise todays youth for not feeling particularly connected to something that happened over 100 years ago. 

Edited November 13, 2017 by 56RAF_Roblex

[6./ZG26_Custard]

 

 

I am just saying it might be unfair to criticise todays youth for not feeling particularly connected to something that happened over 100 years ago. 

 

I just think that certain events should not be forgotten, particularly when WWI caused approximately 17 million deaths and 23 million wounded. WWII was killing on a truly horrendous scale,60 million people killed when the population was around 2.6 billion.

 

It beggars belief that we have certain "individuals" in the media and other groups now saying that Remembrance day and the poppy are symbols of racism.

 

There are some in academia that wish to erase points in history that don't "fit" into their own narrative. Unfortunately, it looks like they are well on their way to doing so.

[Pajeka]

I just think that certain events should not be forgotten, particularly when WWI caused approximately 17 million deaths and 23 million wounded. WWII was killing on a truly horrendous scale,60 million people killed when the population was around 2.6 billion.

 

It beggars belief that we have certain "individuals" in the media and other groups now saying that Remembrance day and the poppy are symbols of racism.

 

There are some in academia that wish to erase points in history that don't "fit" into their own narrative. Unfortunately, it looks like they are well on their way to doing so.

+1

[HagarTheHorrible]

Do you think any of the combatants of WW1 gave even one minutes thought per year to the people that died stopping Napoleon in the early 1800s?   How about the WW2 combatants and the Crimean War losses less than 100 years earlier?   That is not a criticism,  nor is it a call for us earlier generations to forget the lessons,  I am just saying it might be unfair to criticise todays youth for not feeling particularly connected to something that happened over 100 years ago. 

 

WW1 and 2 were uniquely different to any other wars that Britain was involved in.  It wasn't just that they were filmed, but also that nearly everyone felt it's effects to some extent or another,  even I'm old enough to remember walking past fenced off bomb sites in London, nearly thirty years after the war finished.  Most wars involve very few, there is no deep common experience to bind the combatants to the rest of the nation.  It's one of the reasons why most people know very little and care even less about the various conflicts British troops have been involved in since.

 

I do agree that as time passes both wars become less and less relevant to an increasingly diverse population, many of whom have little if any connection to events 70 years or more ago.

 

I was a little saddened, listening to a radio program phone in, the question asked was, "Who are you remembering ?".  One caller said he was remembering his Uncle, a Bomber pilot, "but he only attacked targets (sic, Military) so their wasn't a moral issue". I felt sad that he thought it necessary to qualify his expression of remembrance, thus also damming the majority, relegating their sacrifice as in some way tainted and maybe not deserving of the same respect.

[MiloMorai]

Had 3 grand uncles out of 8 who participated in WW1 who didn't come home and named after a WW2 aircrew member who didn't come home.

[DD_Arthur]

@Hagar; Went to Lympstone on Sunday for their remembrance service.  Been going for five years or so now.  Always a mix of emotions and always a thrill to have the Camp Commandant fussing over everyone afterwards!

 

They make big thing of the cadets these days and I know that for the kids its a great opportunity to extend their horizons and do exciting and demanding things that our modern, risk-averse society sometimes frown upon but as I get older I find the sight of children in military uniform increasingly......well, nauseating frankly. 

 

There are some in academia that wish to erase points in history that don't "fit" into their own narrative. Unfortunately, it looks like they are well on their way to doing so.

 

? 

 

  Not sure about academia doing this Custard.  Seems to me the manipulation of the historical record has always been the perogative of our politicians and their friends in the media. 

Edited November 14, 2017 by DD_Arthur

[6./ZG26_Custard]

  Not sure about academia doing this Custard.  Seems to me the manipulation of the historical record has always been the perogative of our politicians and their friends in the media. 

I should of extended further, to include media etc.

 

EDIT:

 

One such example from academia distorting history:

 

GCSE students are to be taught that some of our nation’s earliest inhabitants were Africans who arrived here long before the English.

 

The course will be offered to thousands of history students throughout England from September.

 

Its creators claim the course addresses the ‘white male-dominated’ view of history – but it has outraged some of Britain’s most eminent thinkers.

Booker and Nobel prize-winning novelist V.S. Naipaul said: ‘Once again political correctness is distorting our history and the education of our children.’

And historian Sir Roy Strong, author of The Story Of Britain, said: ‘This stands history on its head, projecting back on to the past something that isn’t true.’

The ‘Africans in Britain’ quotation is the opening line of a key book on the course reading list and refers to a Roman legion of North Africans briefly stationed on Hadrian’s Wall in the 3rd Century, before the arrival of Anglo-Saxons.

Up to 500 ‘Aurelian’ Moors – named in honour of Emperor Marcus Aurelius, popularised in the film Gladiator – manned a fort near Carlisle.

But there is no evidence they ever settled there.

Offered by the Oxford and Cambridge examination board (OCR) and approved for use in schools, the course literature states: ‘This course will enable students to learn how the movement of people – European, African, Asian – to and from these islands has shaped the story of this nation for thousands of years.

‘The history of migration is the story of Britain: in 1984, Peter Fryer wrote, “There were Africans in Britain before the English came.” ’

The course  is– Migration To Britain c. 1,000 to c. 2010 – was created with academics from the Black and Asian Studies Association.

Eminent military historian and author Antony Beevor said: ‘Migration is a very valid area to study, but if it’s a question of rewriting history to bolster the morale of certain sections of the population, rather than a scrupulous attitude towards facts, then that is a total distortion and it’s outrageous.’

 

Sir Roy Strong said: ‘The only Africans who came here were a few with the Romans who came and then left! I find it disturbing that our children should be taught something that is clearly designed to feed into contemporary problems rather than tell our island’s story properly.’

 

V. S. Naipaul added: ‘This absurd supposition of Africans inhabiting Britain before the English only goes to show how our once esteemed centres of learning, Oxford and Cambridge, have been insidiously eroded by a dangerous dogma.

 

http://www.therealafrican.com/tag/migration-to-britain-c-1000-to-c-2010/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/12091770/New-history-GCSE-course-on-migration-branded-disturbing-and-dangerous.html

Edited November 14, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Custard

[DD_Arthur]

One such example from academia distorting history:

 

http://www.therealafrican.com/tag/migration-to-britain-c-1000-to-c-2010/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/12091770/New-history-GCSE-course-on-migration-branded-disturbing-and-dangerous.html

 

I have feeling you are helping to prove my point here Custard.  Shock-horror news from the Daily Telegraph's website?

 

How old is this story?  The links within these articles seem to go back to January 2016.  Notice there are no direct quotes from anyone or anything about what is actually in the OCR history syllabus.

 

All our national newspapers have a whole host of talking heads that they can ring up and give them "quotes" that can be adapted to whatever story they feel like punting out there that will appeal to the prejudicies of their readers.  

The reward for people like V.S. Naipal and Sir Roy Strong?  Well they get their own new books serialised by these papers, they get invited to write articles for these papers and they receive a very generous fee for doing so!

 

Nearly all these sort of stories are a half-truth at best but generally a complete distortion of the facts to fit in with that days news agenda.

 

The reality?  Here's the OCR's website;

 

http://www.ocr.org.uk/qualifications/by-subject/history/

 

If you click on the GCSE link you will be able to download the detailed specification for their history syllabus.

 

Have a good look, tell me what you think.

[6./ZG26_Custard]

I have feeling you are helping to prove my point here Custard.  Shock-horror news from the Daily Telegraph's website?

 

How old is this story?  The links within these articles seem to go back to January 2016.  Notice there are no direct quotes from anyone or anything about what is actually in the OCR history syllabus.

 

All our national newspapers have a whole host of talking heads that they can ring up and give them "quotes" that can be adapted to whatever story they feel like punting out there that will appeal to the prejudicies of their readers.  

The reward for people like V.S. Naipal and Sir Roy Strong?  Well they get their own new books serialised by these papers, they get invited to write articles for these papers and they receive a very generous fee for doing so!

 

Nearly all these sort of stories are a half-truth at best but generally a complete distortion of the facts to fit in with that days news agenda.

 

The reality?  Here's the OCR's website;

 

http://www.ocr.org.uk/qualifications/by-subject/history/

 

If you click on the GCSE link you will be able to download the detailed specification for their history syllabus.

 

Have a good look, tell me what you think.

Arthur,

You don’t have a point to prove because to a large degree, I am in agreement with you. I will never “ever” fully trust what MSM churn out. Most news and articles always have a “sensationalist” twist to draw people in and maintain one particular narrative or the other.

 

If we believed everything the “papers” or media told us, all Brexit voters are “apparently” xenophobic bigots; Trump is literally Hitler and the Poppy is a symbol of racism. We are also lead to believe that Lola Olufemi is the poster girl for the campaign to decolonise the Cambridge University “English” literature reading list. We would also have to accept and believe that the founders of Kings College, London, Sir Frederick Mott  and Sir Henry Maudsley have had their portraits removed  and replaced with  a "wall of diversity" amid pressure from students.

 

Do I trust what media is telling me? Not really.

 

I am however more likely to accept direct quotations from fairly respected people in their fields, one is Booker and Nobel prize-winner V.S. Naipau, and the two others are fairly eminent  historians. While I fully accept that there is possibly some form of advantage or compensation for getting quotes, I don’t think they would necessarily outright lie, as that would leave them open to legal action and possible jeopardise their careers .  I will also add that I appreciate that the views they expressed are theirs.

 

The course was included from September last year and the “news” articles came out in 2017 and 2016 respectively.

 

I’ll take a look at OCR's website.

 

Here is the Delivery guide for the course if you would like to take a look.

http://www.ocr.org.uk/Images/281633-migration-to-britain-c.1000-to-c.2010-delivery-guide.pdf

[coconut]

In that clip I could see, maybe, one person who wasn't white. Weren't people from the colonies enrolled and killed in this war? Doesn't look very fair to me.

I understand that many people don't feel involved or concerned by this display of stiff upper-class white people looking patriotic.

 

I agree that it's important to keep remembering what happened, and more importantly what made that possible. But it's not really happening. If it were, we would be celebrating pacifism, not patriotism.

[DD_Arthur]

I am however more likely to accept direct quotations from fairly respected people in their fields, one is Booker and Nobel prize-winner V.S. Naipau, and the two others are fairly eminent  historians. While I fully accept that there is possibly some form of advantage or compensation for getting quotes, I don’t think they would necessarily outright lie, as that would leave them open to legal action and possible jeopardise their careers .  I will also add that I appreciate that the views they expressed are theirs.

 

 OK, fair enough.   Remember, these papers and especially their websites have a vast amount of space to fill and therefore have a huge hunger for any old flannel quality journalism to er,  press those buttons amongst their readership.

 

Lets face it; people like having their buttons pressed!

 

So here's how this one works;

 

Sometime in late 2015 the OCR announce a new history GCSE curriculum in line with the directives of the education secretary of the time - one Michael Gove, I believe - to run with the new GCSE system he's announced.

 

  A freelance journalist with their eye on the main chance runs through this new curriculum with a fine tooth comb as they know from experience they'll always be a nugget in this sort of thing which can be artfully carved into a 'story' that is bound to appeal to certain newspapers. 

 

 Aha!!  What do they find in the recommended reading list of this new curriculum?  A book entitled "Staying Power - The history of black people in Britain".  It was written in 1984 - by a Marxist - and has been recognised as a seminal work on the subject.

 

It's opening line is indeed  "There were Africans in Britain before the English came here."     This is a simple statement of fact.  The earliest use of the term 'english' is around 890.  The Romans by then were not long gone so much as long assimilated.  In fact,  heres a bit of the book;

 

 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Staying-Power-History-Britain-Political/dp/074533072X

 

Do you see how this is going to work yet?

 

Without telling any actual lies our intrepid freelance journo can construct a story that will basically imply our kids will be taught that Africans settled this country before "brits".  This story will then be touted to the usual likely takers for this sort of stuff.  In this case it seems the Mail on Sunday went for it.  

 

The MoS sub-editor will clean it up a bit and then reach for the MoS's little black book of talking heads and give a few a call.  Now this is the interesting bit;   the sub-editor will ring, say,  V.S. Naipul and ask him to comment on a story they will be running about the OCR's new history GCSE,  he'll mention that one of the set books contains a claim that Africans were here, etc, etc....

 

V.S. Naipul will give him a few interesting - but in a broader context - completely meaningless sentences which the subbie can add as authoritative quotes into the story.  The whole thing will then be run past the duty lawyer and if he gives it the green light it will appear as a great, button-pressing story on an inside page.  It will then be lifted by the website and then lifted by countless other websites.

 

Did I say interesting bit?  Well, both the sub-editor and the talking heads in the MoS's little black book will understand that they are taking part in a legally choreographed charade where no one may be accused of lying or the whole story is in effect a libel.  If they are challanged they know the paper will release their full quote which as said above is meaningless as it can be legally construed in any way you like and they can hold their heads high.  It's got deniability.  And at the end of the day its a story about nothing that has filled some useful space and earned our freelancer a couple of grand,  our talking heads a little more useful exposure and the target audience is enjoying being outraged.

 

Everyones a winner!  It's one of the ancient arts of mass-circulation newspapers fined tuned for the internet age.

 

I take it you've noticed by now that there's no mention of Romans - black or otherwise - in the OCR's history syllabus?

[6./ZG26_Custard]

In that clip I could see, maybe, one person who wasn't white. Weren't people from the colonies enrolled and killed in this war? Doesn't look very fair to me.

I understand that many people don't feel involved or concerned by this display of stiff upper-class white people looking patriotic.

 

I agree that it's important to keep remembering what happened, and more importantly what made that possible. But it's not really happening. If it were, we would be celebrating pacifism, not patriotism.

Remembrance Sunday in the UK is not about jingoistic patriotism, its about remembering fallen service men and women. I would like to think that anyone in their right mind would want to avoid war. Unfortunately, its something human beings  have been propagating for millennia.

 

@DD_Arthur

 

Regarding your quote about Peter Fryer.

 

Without a doubt Peter Fryer is the indirect focal point of the "news" piece. He was indeed a Marxist writer and journalist and a member of a Trotskist organisation.I'm sure his book has been recognised as a "seminal" work by many socialist and communist organisation. Right leaning newspapers are, without a doubt going to pick up on that.  

 

I can only assume that because it was in the recommended reading list  (in the course) and has been dismissed by some other "academics."  This was what was obviously  latched onto.

 

The same can be said for our left leaning "news" papers, with the Trump, Brexit, Racism narrative.  

 

I will add that there is a notion (In Fryers book) that Britain has been a massive multicultural melting pot for hundreds or thousands of years. This just doesn't  seem to hold true.

 

 https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22530134.300-ancient-invaders-transformed-britain-but-not-its-dna/?cmpid=RSS%252525257CNSNS%252525257C2012-GLOBAL%252525257Cgenetics

 

Its only over the last 60 years or so that we have become much more multicultural (in Britain). With a rapid increase of non-indigenous people taking place in the early 90s.

 

Getting back to your point, yes sensationalist (outrage) news from the left and the right sells. Do I buy into it hook line and sinker, no.  

 

 

Edit: I did notice no mention of Romans.

Edited November 14, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Custard

[6./ZG26_Custard]

Therefore they (Anglo-saxons) are 'non-indigenous' as you say invaders from 1500 years ago.

The same argument can be made for north american Indian tribes, they "migrated" from Asia via a frozen land bridge into the Americas. We call them indigenous people. 

 

If you want to talk about "true" Britons then we could argue that the welsh are the indigenous people of Britain but they are/were Insular Celts.

 

Britain is a European country. The genetic make up of England remained fairly constant for around 1800 years with the "English" being predominately from Germanic and danish stock, linked with a cultural identity. This really only changed with the Norman invasion. The Celts were part of Hallstatt culture and a wider Indo-European people in Iron-Age Europe. European people were the predominate, Caucasian population demographic in "Europe" until only recently. We are now seeing massive immigration into Europe from the middle east and north Africa. This of course will change the democratic of Europe forever.

 

EDIT: whether that is a good or a bad thing remains to be seen?

Edited November 14, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Custard

[6./ZG26_Custard]

So ultimately you believe that Europeans and British are essentially the same, that's nice, I agree; but you really are scared of the non-Caucasians aren't you? To go back to the earlier media points, don't believe everything you read about non-Caucasians, some may actually just be normal humans and some of those British Caucasians may be nasty pieces of work.

 

Why are you so quick to assume what scares me?  If you want to use ad hominem attacks go right ahead, but You assume far too much. YOU have no real idea what I think.

 

I have already stated that I don't believe everything I read. It also seems that are you insinuating that I don't think non-Caucasians are normal humans?

 

Again, you really are assuming far too much. 

 

I mean I could assume that you have been brainwashed into thinking a Socialist/Marxist Utopia is the ultimate answer to the worlds problems but I could be wrong?

See what happens when people assume? 

 

Edit:

 

(And you mean demographic not democratic?)

  Yes, thanks for correcting me.  

Edited November 14, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Custard

[6./ZG26_Custard]

It was your ' for ever' and ' whether a good or bad thing' that implied to me that these people somehow held a threat to you.

Well, you are wrong.

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

Lol we are all the same not just UK and EU (Race is a social Construct that does not really exist other than what we make it)
Its not something real like Species classification or Genera.

There is remembering something for the right reasons (Social and Technological Advancements)  and then there is keeping a memory alive just so people have a reason to complain about the past and something to feel sad about so they get sympathy for it or worse try to get $$

These days most of the money from poppies sold and things is for profit anyways as not many soldiers left if any who need payouts and pensions.
 

[HagarTheHorrible]

Good grief    

[6./ZG26_Custard]

Lol we are all the same not just UK and EU (Race is a social Construct that does not really exist other than what we make it)

Its not something real like Species classification or Genera.

http://time.com/91081/what-science-says-about-race-and-genetics/

[DD_Arthur]

Without a doubt Peter Fryer is the indirect focal point of the "news" piece. He was indeed a Marxist writer and journalist and a member of a Trotskist organisation.I'm sure his book has been recognised as a "seminal" work by many socialist and communist organisation. Right leaning newspapers are, without a doubt going to pick up on that.  

 

I can only assume that because it was in the recommended reading list  (in the course) and has been dismissed by some other "academics."  This was what was obviously  latched onto.

 

The same can be said for our left leaning "news" papers, with the Trump, Brexit, Racism narrative.  

 

I will add that there is a notion (In Fryers book) that Britain has been a massive multicultural melting pot for hundreds or thousands of years. This just doesn't  seem to hold true.

 

I believe Peter Fryer was a pretty interesting character in his own right.  Actually his book was recognised as a seminal, indeed pioneering work by the British black community.  Remember the date of publication?  At the time this was the first study in depth of the subject in an academic and non-polemical way.

 

It certainly has not been dismissed by other academics.  What was latched onto by our journo friend was the marxist affiliation and the attention grabbing first line.  That was his story - and money in the bank - right there

 

Is there a notion in Fryer's book that "Britain has been a massive melting pot for hundreds or thousands of years"?   I have not read the book but judging by his preface I'd say unlikely.

 

As I seem to receive most of my news from Eddie Mair these days and live in sleepy old Devon I seem to be at a loss as to what this 'Racism narrative' is.  However, I can't help noticing that in the UK we only have two national newspapers that could conceivably be called left leaning and the Trump, Brexit narrative is in all our press at the moment and will no doubt continue to be for the foreseeable future! 

 

Did I say I live in Devon?  Full disclosure; in my personal experience in this part of the country all the people I've met who voted for Brexit are xenophobic bigots   

[6./ZG26_Custard]

@DD_Arthur,

 

I trust no main steam media or news outlet, that includes BBC etc. They all have one particular "narrative" or another to push.

 

I will admit, I am anti-collectivist and would probably consider myself as somewhat centrist. I was born and lived in London for many years. From personal experience I have seen massive change in London, in a relatively short time span with a huge demographic shift.

 

I voted for Brexit, not because I'm a xenophobic bigot but because I didn't want to be part of  the superstate that Europe is trying to become. It's more or less there, just needs it's Army and an integrated nuclear defence system (I think they want France's?) While I support controlled immigration, I don't support mass, unfettered immigration.

 

I'm just about old enough to remember Britain before we joined the "common market."  We were told back then that we were just signing into a common trade deal. I don't remember the UK agreeing to become part of the "United States Of Europe." That doesn't mean I'm anti-Europe per se, the UK is a European country after all. 

 

For the record, most of the folks I know who voted Brexit are not xenophobic bigots, are there some out there? No doubt.

 

I have also met and know some fantastic people that voted remain. Saying that I have also met remain voters who are rather unpleasant people who happily sneer that all Brexit voters are uneducated, stupid and racist.   

[unreasonable]

This happens every year. 

 

This is worth a read: http://www.chronicle.com/article/Is-Everything-Political-/45993

[Holtzauge]

I would prefer remembering the fallen without the politics: Kinda cheap to mix in some type of agenda into these type of occasions......

 

On Brexit: As I Swede I'm sorry to see the UK go. Sweden and the UK often had the same stance in the EU so we will miss you. Would have preferred to have you help steer the boat from the inside. With the UK gone France will become even more dominant than before.TBH I worry about the outcome of the negotiations: The Germans will probably true to form want to be pragmatic but I'm afraid that the dominant voice in the EU will jump at the chance to get back at their arch "enemy".

[6./ZG26_Custard]

i dont believe news theyre intended to make you lose your faith in humanity and desensitivize you so in your all mightyness you allow bad things to happen for real

News and media definitely guides (and creates) narrative, I really don't think any of them can be trusted.

 

2 Minutes of Hate

 

 

 

Screaming at the sky

 

[youtbe] 

[/youtbe]

 

 

It's our job to control what people think

 

 

 

We couldn't help her any more than we have

 

[6./ZG26_Custard]

The thing is custard, you seem to exhibit so much of what you claim to stand against.

 

Deary me Pinko.....Really? 

 

Sorry my world view doesn't fit yours.

 

 

Edit: Just so you have an idea what I stand against, to stop you second guessing.

 

Collectivism

Communism

Marxism

Nazis

Identity Politics 

The "United States of Europe"

Globalism

Intersectionality

3rd wave of feminism 

Post modernism

"social justice"

equality of outcome (instead of equality of opportunity)

ridiculous ideologies

 

Hopefully that helps?

Edited November 18, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Custard

[DD_Arthur]

I had to look up 'Intersectionality' and '3rd wave of feminism'.

 

Blimey Custard, it must be exhausting standing against all this stuff.  Wouldn't it be easier to lean a little?

[6./ZG26_Custard]

 

 

Blimey Custard, it must be exhausting standing against all this stuff.  Wouldn't it be easier to lean a little?

 

I do have a rest now and again 

[6./ZG26_Emil]

I do have a rest now and again 

 

Consider this a dressing down Custard! Not every 'male' is red blooded & masculine, this is 2017 for god's sake,  we have to accomodate the most fragile creatures to show our sensitive side these days. Personally I blame GM crops and estrogen in the water but I digress

[6./ZG26_Emil]

OK I've thought this over and regret to say I'm Putin you on report Custard

[6./ZG26_Custard]

 

 

Personally I blame GM crops and estrogen in the water but I digress

 

Don't forget Soy products!

 

 

OK I've thought this over and regret to say I'm Putin you on report Custard

[6./ZG26_Custard]

 

 

i daydream on richard gere caramel eyes