Question about the BF109G4

[No.332.Animal_NO]

Hi all! I am interested in buying the Kuban pack, but am unsure about whether the G4 is worth it. As far as I have found out in my online research, it is excactly identical to the G2 except for being fitted with a better radio system.

 

Can any of you shed any light on whether it performs better than the G2 or not?

 

Ideally, I am hoping for a G6 model in the future at some point, as it was the next big upgrade of the 109 series after G2.

 

Thanks,

Sigurd (Norway)

[curiousGamblerr]

The G6 is in development. I think we can expect it early 2018, not sure exactly but its definitely on the way.

 

The major difference between G2 and G4 in game is that the G4 can use 1.42 ATA (emergency power), while the G2 is limited to 1.3 (combat). The G4 is heavier and has wing bulges for the bigger landing gear, however, so while it performs better than G2 during the short period it can use emergency power, it performs worse in combat power. It also has slightly  less visibility given the thicker canopy bars.

 

In short, I don't think the Kuban pack is worth it just for the G4. You're better off waiting for the G6, which will be standalone. The Kuban pack as a whole, however, is full of awesome planes, if you're interested in things like the Hs129, Bf110G2, A-20, P-39 and Spitfire.

Edited October 23, 2017 by 19//curiousGamblerr

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Kuban package is definitely worth it for the other stuff you get. The map is a beauty, and you get models that were not present before in the Hs-129, Spitfire, Airacobra, Boston and Yak-7B

[No.332.Animal_NO]

Yes, the Spit is also something I want I don't see the Airacobra anywhere in the store pages, but if that's included it definetly is something I want. I know the map is gorgeous, I do fly it regulary on War Thunder (Dont scold me now!).

 

Should I then interpret that the BoS 109G2 is the one that was delivered with "faulty" engines from factory? I did read that those G2s were limited in manifoil pressure to prevent engine failure until the factory rectified the problems for the second batch of planes...

 

Good to know that the G6 is coming, do you know if 1C has plans for later war models, such as the 109G10 or the Spit MkIX?

 

 

Edit: Ok now I see the P39 in the store page... Forest and trees...

Edited October 23, 2017 by [VI]Animal_Mother

[Jizzo]

 

 

It also has slightly  less visibility given the thicker canopy bars.

 

Exactly the same canopy, you are mixing it up with the F and earlier ones, bro. 

[curiousGamblerr]

Exactly the same canopy, you are mixing it up with the F and earlier ones, bro. 

 

Oh yeah, I rarely fly the G2 these days so you're probably right. You're certainly more of a 109 expert than me!

[No.332.Animal_NO]

I also prefer the F4 - as long as you keep your energy up it's better than the G2 in most regards. It can even turnfight if you know your plane. The F2 is also interesting, just finished the single player campaign in that one!

[FTC_Riksen]

The G2 is overall a better plane than the G4. It climbs better and it is a little bit lighter. The G4, however, offers a boost, even if for a few seconds, that can be very usefull for those scenarios where u need a slight increase in power to point ur nose at the enemy. If you prefer turn fighting however, the F4 is the plane to go

[-WILD-AlbinoHA5E]

Let's do some Mythbusting, shall we.

 

• The G-4 is unchanged over the G-2 except for, and nothing else but, the heavy duty landing gear  and radio set
• The weight penalty is roughly exactly 20kg. That's a less than 1% weight increase
• The drag penalty is roughly exactly 13kph at MSL
• The maximum speed at sea level changed from 530 to 517 at 1.3ata for 30 Minutes.
• However: you can cheat the game a little by flying at 85% Throttle Position, which gives you a better rate of climb than G-2, and at 90% Throttle Position you have a 5 Minute Setting that is better at everything than the G-2.

I think the G-4 would make even more sense with more complex Ground Modelling, where the G-2 would be absolutely horrific once Bombs are fitted.

[Irgendjemand]

Roughly or exactly? Just kidding:)

[-WILD-AlbinoHA5E]

Approximate precision.

Edited October 26, 2017 by -WILD-AlbinoHA5E

[Dutchvdm]

Let's do some Mythbusting, shall we.

 

• The G-4 is unchanged over the G-2 except for, and nothing else but, the heavy duty landing gear  and radio set
• The weight penalty is roughly exactly 20kg. That's a less than 1% weight increase
• The drag penalty is roughly exactly 13kph at MSL
• The maximum speed at sea level changed from 530 to 517 at 1.3ata for 30 Minutes.
• However: you can cheat the game a little by flying at 85% Throttle Position, which gives you a better rate of climb than G-2, and at 90% Throttle Position you have a 5 Minute Setting that is better at everything than the G-2.

I think the G-4 would make even more sense with more complex Ground Modelling, where the G-2 would be absolutely horrific once Bombs are fitted.

 

You forgot the tailwheel, but you are right. The differences are smaller then most want you too believe.

 

Grt M

[-WILD-AlbinoHA5E]

 

 

You forgot the tailwheel

It's part of the Landing Gear last I checked.

[Dutchvdm]

It's part of the Landing Gear last I checked.

 

That's true, but i think it's fair to mention both the bulges on the wing for the bigger wheels and the non retractable landing gear. 

 

Grt M

[-WILD-AlbinoHA5E]

Now you got me confused.

[Dutchvdm]

Now you got me confused.

 

The G-4 has a bulge on each wing to accommodate the landing gear, and it doesn't have a retractable tail-wheel any more. 

 

Grt M

[-WILD-AlbinoHA5E]

The G-4 has a bulge on each wing to accommodate the landing gear, and it doesn't have a retractable tail-wheel any more. 

 

Grt M

I know, you just called the Tailwheel a Landing Gear.

[Dutchvdm]

I know, you just called the Tailwheel a Landing Gear.

 

Oops my bad... 

[ACG_KaiLae]

I was going to dig into this some, but I was wondering: Shouldn't the change in the landing gear be somewhat noticeable? The new gear should be an improvement over what the G2, but as far as I know, there seems to be no difference?

[Willy__]

 

 

I was going to dig into this some, but I was wondering: Shouldn't the change in the landing gear be somewhat noticeable? The new gear should be an improvement over what the G2, but as far as I know, there seems to be no difference?

 

It is. The G4 is noticeable easier (and stable) to taxi, take-off and land compared to the others 109s due to the bigger wheels. 

[GridiroN]

One thing that was brought to my attention that I was not aware of, is that DB605 planes are fitted with a superior propellor than the F's 601. I find F has a tendency to lagg/helicopter itself in some situations. The G series do not do this. The G series are also significantly more stable doing vertical maneuvers, probably because of the superior propellor with thicker blades.