How about Bf 109G2 have emergency engine power?

[drahn81]

How about Bf 109G2 have emergency engine power?

There were historically G2 had emergency engine power late version.

There are spitfire already in now.

German figter need some change I think.

[Dutchvdm]

It would be a cool modification for the late 1943 scenario. So is:

 

• Bf-109 F-4 with 1941 limitation for the Moscow campaign
• Bf-110 E-2 with DB-601N engine
• Bf-109 E-7 with DB601aa engine

The list is long if you do some digging. 

 

Grt M

[MrNoice]

yeah its cool but would make the bad g4 obsolete ^^

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

yeah its cool but would make the bad g4 obsolete ^^

 

 

Well, if the Ground Modelling receives further improvements the G-4 will be a far more valid JaBo Option. 

[ShamrockOneFive]

We're talking about the 1.42 ATA on the G-2? Seems like a reasonable feature to add given that they can now do those engine modifications. I haven't heard but I'd guess that they would like to be able to offer that kind of modification on a few aircraft now that they can do it. I'm also guessing that they can't just plug and play values and just make it happen quickly. So maybe we'll see it when they have some time to sort it out.

 

yeah its cool but would make the bad g4 obsolete ^^

 

Only true for multiplayer.

[MrNoice]

We're talking about the 1.42 ATA on the G-2? Seems like a reasonable feature to add given that they can now do those engine modifications. I haven't heard but I'd guess that they would like to be able to offer that kind of modification on a few aircraft now that they can do it. I'm also guessing that they can't just plug and play values and just make it happen quickly. So maybe we'll see it when they have some time to sort it out.

 

 

Only true for multiplayer.

 

since the g2 got the same engine like the g4 without restriction... it would be an easy copy and paste and add it as modification thats it. ^^

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

since the g2 got the same engine like the g4 without restriction... it would be an easy copy and paste and add it as modification thats it. ^^

I'm no expert, but I'd be willing to bet that doing that on the real thing would be less complicated than doing it in this game.

[MrNoice]

why ? since there is the same engine in the game without limitation

[GridiroN]

How about Bf 109G2 have emergency engine power?

There were historically G2 had emergency engine power late version.

There are spitfire already in now.

German figter need some change I think.

 

The Spitfire Russia got is the worst version, from a collection of hand-me-downs from the RAF that were already obsolete and completely uncompetitive by the time Russia got them. 

 

Why would Russia getting Spitfires which are inferior to the 109 F2 be a reason the 109 G2 should get an upgrade?

[Finkeren]

The Spitfire Mk.V is not really up to snuff against any of the faster German fighters.

 

The La-5FN is the threat the Axis pilots need to look out for.

[ShamrockOneFive]

why ? since there is the same engine in the game without limitation

 

Unless you're a programmer with intimate knowledge of the Digital Nature Engine, assume everything is more complex than it appears to be. But... let's assume for a moment that it is fairly easy to do on its own. Game development tends to run on strict timelines with a lot of dependencies. If you take a programmer off one task and put them on another task it means you can disrupt the flow. The actual doing might be easy but it may require opening up code and then following procedures to make sure that you haven't caused a problem while doing something simple. I've seen as much happen in similarly complex projects.

 

It's never as easy as it seems from the outside.

 

I fully agree that a G-2 with unrestricted engine can be an option. It's now possible in the game engine and it fits the historical timeline for the G-2 (which it did not previously). I'm sure they will do it when there is time to do it.

The Spitfire Mk.V is not really up to snuff against any of the faster German fighters.

 

The La-5FN is the threat the Axis pilots need to look out for.

 

Agreed. The Spitfire V is fantastically fun to have in the series and a historical fit too... But its not fully competitive and a bit out of date relative to the other fighters for the Kuban era. It'll be a dangerous opponent but not one holding all of the cards.

Edited October 16, 2017 by ShamrockOneFive

[SCG_OpticFlow]

It would be a cool modification for the late 1943 scenario. So is:

 

• Bf-109 F-4 with 1941 limitation for the Moscow campaign
• Bf-110 E-2 with DB-601N engine
• Bf-109 E-7 with DB601aa engine

The list is long if you do some digging. 

 

Grt M

 

E7 with the improved engine would be awesome!

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

What, from a DEV point of view, would be the advantage in sales, time or taking development cycles away from other things to do this? Just playing devil's advocate here.........

Edited October 17, 2017 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[[TWB]dillon_biz]

What, from a DEV point of view, would be the advantage in sales, time or taking development cycles away from other things to do this? Just playing devil's advocate here.........

I imagine because it's not quite a large logical leap to assume that it's simply a matter of copy and pasting engine parameter numbers from the G4 to the G2.

 

Of course having zero knowledge of how the engine is simulated that assumption could be way off.

 

If it's a matter of copy/pasting numbers I don't see why they couldn't go the same route of the M-82F mod for the La-5.

[Finkeren]

I imagine because it's not quite a large logical leap to assume that it's simply a matter of copy and pasting engine parameter numbers from the G4 to the G2.

 

Of course having zero knowledge of how the engine is simulated that assumption could be way off.

 

If it's a matter of copy/pasting numbers I don't see why they couldn't go the same route of the M-82F mod for the La-5.

The difference is, that adding the M-82F to the La-5 was simply a matter of removing the time limit on boosted mode.

 

Adding 1.42 ATA to the G2 would mean adding more power to the aircraft, the effect of which then has to be tested and verified. You can’t rely on the G4 code either, because while the airframes are very similar, they are not identical.

 

It’s not a ton of work, but it is a lot more work than adding the M-82F.

[FuriousMeow]

since the g2 got the same engine like the g4 without restriction... it would be an easy copy and paste and add it as modification thats it. ^^

 

That's not how it works.

[MrNoice]

it is ? its the same engine just without the throttle lock so its 100% how it works...

so the g4 has the db 605a with 1.42ata

and the g2 has the same db605a but with a lock at 1.32 ata. so you think the devs have to make a whole new code for something that is 100% already ingame?

[Field-Ops]

Doesn't matter if you think its easy or not. They already said after adding the LA5-F mod that adding engine mods to planes already released is not planned any longer.

[ShamrockOneFive]

it is ? its the same engine just without the throttle lock so its 100% how it works...

so the g4 has the db 605a with 1.42ata

and the g2 has the same db605a but with a lock at 1.32 ata. so you think the devs have to make a whole new code for something that is 100% already ingame?

 

Those are the outcomes but its all driven by complex code running in the background. We don't see it but their programmers sure do.

Doesn't matter if you think its easy or not. They already said after adding the LA5-F mod that adding engine mods to planes already released is not planned any longer.

 

If I remember the statement. They meant "for now" ... once Kuban is done then I'd say all bets are off. I wouldn't get my hopes up any time soon but I think its certainly possible but not within the IL-2: Battle of Kuban release timeline.

[Finkeren]

it is ? its the same engine just without the throttle lock so its 100% how it works...

so the g4 has the db 605a with 1.42ata

and the g2 has the same db605a but with a lock at 1.32 ata. so you think the devs have to make a whole new code for something that is 100% already ingame?

Of course they don’t have to remake the FM from scratch, but no matter how you square it, it is still more work than adding the M-82F.

[Luftschiff]

As a developer, by Jove: ALWAYS assume changes are harder and more complex than they seem - especially in a complex simulation where many effects are systemically derived. There are knock-on effects on absolutely anything you do, and testing them isn't straightforward. Add on top of that the fact they are essentially patching a live product where a runaway bug or balance issue might wreak havoc for weeks before they can free resources to fix it, and you have a situation you don't want to approach without careful planning. 

 

Most notably though, their team is very small and most roles are not interchangeable. Even if this was a task that would take someone half a day (and believe me, it isn't) it would still mean putting on hold tasks that are underway and set to take weeks - with dependencies from other groups. I can go on, but I shouldn't have to - the TL;DR is:  A G4 engine mod might come at some point, and I'd welcome it, but making games is bloody hard. Never assume it isn't.

[Kurfurst]

I do not fully get why we would need a fully rated G-2. That is essentially the G-4 we already have.

 

Historically the only difference between the two was the G-4 having a VHF radio set and nothing else* - and the radio set makes no difference in game, unlike in real life where it provided a clearer transmission and for a better range. 

 

* albeit the G-4 has a non-retractable larger tail wheel, this wasn't specific to the G-4 series but a modification in late 1942 during its production run that also effected later production G-2s. So in practice any remaining G-2s that were uprated in the second half of 1943 for the full engine ratings were also very likely to contain this tail wheel modification as well, just like G-4s.

[Jizzo]

I do not fully get why we would need a fully rated G-2. That is essentially the G-4 we already have.

 

Historically the only difference between the two was the G-4 having a VHF radio set and nothing else* - and the radio set makes no difference in game, unlike in real life where it provided a clearer transmission and for a better range. 

 

* albeit the G-4 has a non-retractable larger tail wheel, this wasn't specific to the G-4 series but a modification in late 1942 during its production run that also effected later production G-2s. So in practice any remaining G-2s that were uprated in the second half of 1943 for the full engine ratings were also very likely to contain this tail wheel modification as well, just like G-4s.

You forgot the bulges on the wings for the bigger low pressure tires, which i believe causes a not insignificant speed loss, compared to the clean G2.

 

Which later even gets worse with the MG131 bulges on the G6.

 

Don't get me wrong, i do prefer the G4 and later will prefer the G6 over anything else, so i don't really mind having an full power G2 anyway.

Edited October 18, 2017 by [TWB]Jizzo

[Jade_Monkey]

Keep feeding the troll.

[Lemon]

hi all, i got bos bom bok and  i would gladly pay for the g2 without engine limitation as a collector plane , because all other 109 (including the g6 to come) or 190 seem to be a performance downgrade (speed and climb rate) so not worth to buy any of those to me.

 

good day (and sorry if English mistakes in my comment)

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

In short, it is neither necessary nor likely.

 

Start thinking about what you want to put on your wish list for the Pacific folks 'cause this is not happening anytime soon. Looking forward, moving on.....