Any chance for jet aircraft?

[Voidhunger]

I have always had the opinion that the devs don't like creating "uber planes" , Back in ROF they never made the Sopwith Snipe & Siemens-Schuckert D.IV even though they were two very highly requested aircraft and would have made great competitors. I feel it will be the same for the BOX series, the chance of ever seeing a late version 109 / spit & jet aircraft is very small.. Early war / poor performance aircraft can be fun sure (I loved ROF) but I for one crave some performance from the aircraft in this sim, also I think having some iconic better performing aircraft in the BOX series would bring in a load new players. It would be interesting to compare the sales of BOK (premium) to BOS/BOM just because it had the Spitfire..

If I remember correctly Sopwith snipe was considered being build but community wanted two seaters.

[Ala13_pienoir]

Korea is very interesting I think it was the last dog air war

These airplanes, although to reaction, still worked with the same clocks in cabin

The speed of these aircraft turns the noble art of air combat to another level much more demanding with the pilot

Although the heat-guided missiles already existed, they were so rudimentary that it was very easy to evade them.

The combat ended always with dog face and looking for the opponent's six.

At the moment I am satisfied that they take midway and the war embarked

Edited October 10, 2017 by E69_pienoir

[opeth357opeth367]

Good luck with trying to fit that in Multiplayer!

 

Yes, I know MP is not everything, but in single player you would still need the relevant things to shoot at, (and then be shot up by as you land).

 

You can shoot the same things that you shoot with a piston engine aircraft.. Fighers, bombers.. even ground targets.. Nothing of "relevant".

On the contrary I read about the kill ratio equal to 10:1 appoximately for the Me262... 

Also I have never heard of a duel between two jet fighter in ww2 so far.. but I must admit that I don't know about. 

Edited October 10, 2017 by grayfox357grayfox357

[Sandinourcoffee6]

The me262 would be a really hard plane to make and to get the FM correct,I really want too see Africa campaign in this sim,good FPS because of the terrain and lots of scope

[CanadaOne]

I get what you mean. Personally I disagree. The value for me in a WW2 combat flight sim is absolutely in creating historical or historically plausible scenarios. The planes themselves hold little value to me, if there is no historically fitting map to fly them on and a set of matching plane types to fly alongside and against.

 

True dat. But the problem of including planes that don't fit the time period is solved by simply not using them.

 

That there is an Me 262 available in the game is "historically meaningful" only so far as the person using the sim decides to fly it or against it. If it is not used, then it doesn't matter if it is there or not.

 

For my part, though, I would love to have a BOX quality Me 262. As well as a Hurricane, and a P-38, and an IL-10, and a... and a... and a ...

[opeth357opeth367]

True dat. But the problem of including planes that don't fit the time period is solved by simply not using them.

 

That there is an Me 262 available in the game is "historically meaningful" only so far as the person using the sim decides to fly it or against it. If it is not used, then it doesn't matter if it is there or not.

 

For my part, though, I would love to have a BOX quality Me 262. As well as a Hurricane, and a P-38, and an IL-10, and a... and a... and a ...

 

This is exactly what I tried to say    

If I could buy it and use it, It would be great. Nothing else.

I would be happy. Everyone who wouldn't buy it would be happy too. And also Studios would be happy too... Because, in the end, I'd like to see how many skeptic people in this forum would resist to buy it...   

[Aap]

I would prefer to see planes that fit with the existing ones to add depth to the air war or extend the time frame step by step rather than having a jet that does not work together with the rest of the game.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Looking at DCS teaches a valuable lesson on why releasing aircraft without context is a terrible idea.

[Bullets]

Looking at DCS teaches a valuable lesson on why releasing aircraft without context is a terrible idea.

 

Elaborate? 

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Despite having a pretty solid backbone of aircraft produced from 1965 until 1992 which lends itself to great Cold War scenarios, beyond that there is no context.

 

There are two Korea jets with no map or contemporary aircraft for example, that doesn't do much for gameplay. Though one can take off, shoot and land these aircraft, you cannot have many single single or multiplayer scenario that use these aircraft, thus limiting their usability and dollar/hour ratio.

[Livai]

Doesn't include the next Pacific theatre already jets????

Edited October 10, 2017 by Livai

[OrLoK]

Looking at DCS teaches a valuable lesson on why releasing aircraft without context is a terrible idea.

I also dont understand this.

 

Im fine with the DCS model.

 

I prefer BoX to DCS for other reasons (damage model,VR performance, ww2 etc etc etc) but if BoX wasn't around I'd be in DCS.

[Blooddawn1942]

A premium aircraft, that is slightly out of the timeframe, as the FW-190 was for BoS, is no issue and no immersion killer. But I have my doubts, that any aircraft from 44 or 45 would make any sense in the given theaters we have so far.

I would really love if the series will get there some day. But releasing fitting maps and aircrafts is the way to go. It's a real strongpoint of the new il-2 franchise.

[Royal_Flight]

I only know one game about afghan, 9th company, based on movie with the same title, really fun game and movie

Had no idea there was a game but the film is brilliant.

 

Looking at DCS teaches a valuable lesson on why releasing aircraft without context is a terrible idea.

This is true. The DCS devs have created an open-world and allowed third-parties to fill it with random content, which is cool and I love the way everything functions in such detail.

But it works as a sandbox, where broadly similar types of aircraft can match up and face off in arena-style combat.

 

The problem with their model is that no one team or person is driving so there's no obvious direction of travel. That's how we end up with two Korean-era jets and nowhere that makes sense to use them, or the whole WWII thing with only one out of four aircraft types fitting the theatre, needing to do a separate map for them and then charging for an assets pack so there's something more convincing to shoot at than BTR-80s and M2 IFVs.

 

Added to which, the models are so detailed that the rate of release is quite slow and the prices are higher. So once you've worked out how to use the MiG-21, say, then every mission becomes a variation on 'MiG-21 does X'.

 

The way we have a full theatre with maps and assets and skins and ten aircraft of various types per release cycle, not counting bonus ones released outside of this schedule like the Yak-1b or Ju-52, lends itself so much better to a thriving multiplayer scene and a good singleplayer experience via story-driven campaigns courtesy of the community.

There is also the space for the devs to fix issues (the patronising unlock system), add content (Ju-52, or the new 109G-6/La-5FN), correct innacuracies (Fw-190 roll rate) or redesign whole areas of the sim world to make it better across the board (the flight model changes, whatever the new surprise we've been promised is).

I'd be wary of moving away from this model towards 'add X plane for the sake of it' as I don't think it would be healthy for the wider world that BoX seeks to create and has been hugely successful in providing to date.

Also helps avoid the risk of accidentally or deliberately introducing a pay2win dynamic.

Edited October 10, 2017 by Royal_Flight

[Guest deleted@30725]

I'd rather they fix and finish the current game than start wrestling with jet physics.

[pilotpierre]

I think “Fogotten Battles” the Russian Finland conflict was one of the best theatre releases of the original IL2. I can still remember the pleasure of flying the Brewster Buffalo, the Fokker mit der skis and the Hurricane against the early Russian fighters and bombers.

 

I would reall like to see the present devs version of that conflict.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Elaborate? 

 

IMHO, the biggest problem with DCS is that they are releasing content in a kind of "almost anything goes" fashion. It's ok with the Caucasus hypothetical battleground scenario with all modern stuff but then they went for Korea and World War II... and its great to have those planes but they have no context yet. They are individual aircraft that you have to fly over Georgia and the Black Sea or over Nevada. For World War II they finally have a Normandy scenario but only one aircraft currently fits that scenario. So you have Spitfire IX's fighting Bf109K-4s and FW190D-9s months before they should be. Its not well planned. I know there are reasons for that... but its still that series issue.

 

What the IL-2 series by 1CGS has done extremely well is provide the whole battle. You get the map, the supporting objects, and 10 aircraft that more or less fit that scenario either perfectly or almost. If 1CGS decide to throw a Me262 into the mix I hope they do it along with the entire scenario that supports it.

[blitze]

I think “Fogotten Battles” the Russian Finland conflict was one of the best theatre releases of the original IL2. I can still remember the pleasure of flying the Brewster Buffalo, the Fokker mit der skis and the Hurricane against the early Russian fighters and bombers.

 

I would reall like to see the present devs version of that conflict.

Ah, Forgotten Battles, much fun flying over the lovely Finnish countryside getting smacked by over zealous Soviet Ace AI.  Learned a lot from that one and was a good introduction to the History of that area.  Might have to have a Hurricane after all if that conflict was reworked by the current Il2 team. ))

 

Jets - Korea - recent research from declassified documents show a very different picture to the air war than we were led to believe in the West.  The large bomber losses from the UN Forces aka USA were catastrophic as were other losses.  Similar to the cover up of NATO losses in Serbia during the 90's.  The plane set would be very interesting as well not just the Jets but also prop aircraft used.  Further developments from both the WW2 Eastern Front airframes and Late war US Pacific Airframes.

 

Would be a very interesting scenario if using declassified info for the campaigns from both sides and recent research based on such.  Not to mention a timely reminder as to why the North Koreans do what they do.

[Rolling_Thunder]

IMHO, the biggest problem with DCS is that they are releasing content in a kind of "almost anything goes" fashion. It's ok with the Caucasus hypothetical battleground scenario with all modern stuff but then they went for Korea and World War II... and its great to have those planes but they have no context yet. They are individual aircraft that you have to fly over Georgia and the Black Sea or over Nevada. For World War II they finally have a Normandy scenario but only one aircraft currently fits that scenario. So you have Spitfire IX's fighting Bf109K-4s and FW190D-9s months before they should be. Its not well planned. I know there are reasons for that... but its still that series issue.

I remember the dlc campaign for the mig 15 and sabre. The "relic" campaign? You played the role of a aircraft collector that became a mercinary doing jobs for the mob? Something along those lines. It just seemed rediculous. Theres no doubt they produce great aircraft but for me there needs to be the theatre. For me there needs to be the history. The sabre v mig 15 war was korea. Take them out of korea and one may aswell be flying fsx. Digital combat simulator? Nah, its just an air show simulator.

[=SIM=Ruttley]

I'd actually love to see them have a go at Korea after the PTO thing is finished.

[Bullets]

This won't happen for a very long time.

 

Eat your hat good sir!      

[[I./JG62]steppa]

[Voidhunger]

[Blooddawn1942]

[Gambit21]

Elaborate? 

 

Pretty simple.

See the DCS thread for elaboration.