Any chance for jet aircraft?

[opeth357opeth367]

Hi guys, 

i am a new player of BoS and I simply love the gameplay and the flight model also, expecially of axis aircrafts.

Am I the only one who hope in a jet aircraft release? Is there any chance to fly a wonderful Me 262 and/or its counterparts in next years with this wonderful sim? Is there any news about it?   

 

Thanks to everyone in advance.

[Finkeren]

This won't happen for a very long time, for the reason that jet aircraft are completely outside the timeframe of this sim.

 

We know that the next two titles at least will cover the PTO, so no jet aircraft there either.

 

At the absolute most optimistic we'd be looking at three years before you could potentially get your wish.

 

My advice is: Enjoy what we have instead of dreaming about something that likely won't happen.

[Bullets]

I would assume the devs have considered it... And I would be surprised if they didn't wan't to at some point in time..  Gloucester Meteor / P80 / Me 262 would all be good choices. Maybe a Jet aircraft expansion??? No map or other features just a "dlc" aircraft pack... we are talking way in the future as they still have kuban to finish and then midway to make... 

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Not really. I think most on here prefer the Mid-War Scenarios, 41-43. I mean, what frame would you have to fly the 262 in? What Series of Engagements would suit having a 262?

 

What part of Major Air Action was the 262 Part of? 

 

The Problem with late war Scenarios is that the Luftwaffe was essentially a By-Stander, no fuel and absolute American Air Superiority in the West make any Scenario in that time Fram rather Difficult. 

Most Air Battles had been fought and lost. 

 

This isn't DCS where the Devs just basically Vomit out new Types without Context. 

[Inkophile]

Maybe we can get a sequel: Po-2: Korea where we can get a whole myriad of fancy jets (basically all of them for the Allies though )

[InProgress]

DCS has jets

[coconut]

Han once expressed interest for going to Korea after PTO. He's not in charge of project direction, so there's a big chance this will not come to be, but the interest may well be there. I can imagine the Russian market showing interest for the mig 15.

Personally I'm not too interested in flying German jets. They weren't really ready for prime time, were they?

[Hoss]

Korea would be a good theater.............. but wouldn't want it to be like DCS where you only have three planes that took part in it........... Mig-15, F-86 and P-51..............  and no map of Korea.............  it would need F-80, F-84, F-86, Corsair, F9F Panther, Skyraider, and Carriers................. got to have Carriers...................   No one has really done this theater proper consideration except IL2 1946............  if you have HSFX you can get some of my old coop campaigns off of M4T on the Korea map. 

 

Cheers

 

Hoss

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

Korea is too onesided - beside the MiG- Sabre stuff IMHO

 

Lets go Six Day War .....will NEVER happen, i know

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

It started with WW1 biplanes ,now it's WW2 era tractors, so next move would be Jets, for sure I'm interested in first Jets era conflicts... Korea, Vietnam ! Great stuff for sure.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

This conversation comes around from time to time, but its an interesting one to dream about in my opinion.

 

Personally, boooo to any jets, I'm less interested in anything after about 1944, it just gets too fast and 'good'.

 

But 'Hurrah!' for Invasion of Poland, Battle of France, or... Spanish civil war!

100% with you. Operation X and Legion Condor could be a tremendous theater. People just don't know it. The Spanish Civil War seems to be almost completely absent from bit a few minds, yet it was a Prototype for what was to come. 

 

But because it is forgotten, and people are afraid of what they don't already like, it probably won't happen. 

 

People are just so goddamn conservative, you'd want to drive a Nail through their thick skulls sometimes. They just get stuck in their thinking, like a needle at the end of a Record Disc, like a Horse in the deep Mud of Selfcongratulation and Complacancy. 

Edited October 9, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus-Mann

[Finkeren]

I honestly think France 1939-40 would be a great setting for an installment of this sim. The battle of France itself was a pretty damn brutal affair in the air. Almost 3500 aircraft destroyed in just 46 days.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I honestly think France 1939-40 would be a great setting for an installment of this sim. The battle of France itself was a pretty damn brutal affair in the air. Almost 3500 aircraft destroyed in just 46 days.

In general there is just so much stuff that would be cool, but most likely never happen. 

 

Poland/Warsaw in 39 and 45

Leningrad Siege

France/Ardennes/´Bastogne

Spain

Murmansk

Finnland

Burma/Thailand

 

And so many more. 

[Alexmarine]

I honestly think France 1939-40 would be a great setting for an installment of this sim. The battle of France itself was a pretty damn brutal affair in the air. Almost 3500 aircraft destroyed in just 46 days.

Yes to a Battle of France setting. Lots of interesting planes and option: early war planes for both the RAF and the LW plus the not so much represented Armée de l'Air with several interesting planes...

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

The Entire Area of Arnhem, Dunkirk, Ardennes and Bastoge, as well as Aachen are in a 330x360km Rectangle. And that is good for a whole number of Important Theatres. 

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

It's true that there are many interesting biplanes made between wars which were never depicted but used in the beginning of second war. Unfortunately there is so slim chance to fly for example whole PZLs family planes.

Spanish conflict would be fine too.

Edited October 9, 2017 by 307_Tomcat

[Inkophile]

France would really be interesting. Been reading more and more about the air battles over there, and they were vicious! Definitely comparable to the autumn of 1940 Battle of Britain (i.e. the first half of The Blitz).

 

Has an incredible number of different partaking airplanes too, so they'd could easily spit out three modules just for the Battle of France and we'd still have plenty of planes to go through. Especially on the French-British side.

[CanadaOne]

If they build an Me 262, I will buy an Me 262.

 

I don't give a cat's tuckus if they don't fit the time frame perfectly, I just want more excellent planes like the ones they have built already because flying is fun.

 

More planes!  

[Dennis_Nedry]

I was just thinking about how awesome this game would be in Korea! One can dream!

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Korea later on would be nice but I'm with Pinko and Klaus: an expansion set in 1940 or earlier would be amazing.

 

France, Spain, Finland, Mongolia, China, you name it. The combat there is personal à la Rise of Flight but with the deadly speeds and armaments of Il-2.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I'm sure if we see a Me262 it will fit the scenario. Berlin or some sort of Ruhr campaign with late war aircraft (Tempest! :D) would be magnificent all around.

[THERION]

I hope they will not develop any jets for now - they better stick on props, in my opinion. And as others on topic already

said, there are some more theatres and battles which won't necessary need jets.

 

The Me 262 was a nice plane indeed, but they came in only for a really short period and not decisive at all.

 

If one day the dev team decides to go further with their series of battles and consider doing the Korean theatre - OR -

and that would be really amazing, creating the Israel battles (6 day / Yom Kippur), then I would consider jets OK.

 

But for now, I think they will be quite busy with their next project on pacific theatre - there are a lot of planes involved.

 

Just throwing in the Me 262 without respecting the correct and historical time frame (just for fun) would be an immersion

killer (well for me at least) and they would step into the path of DCS. They provide very good modules, yes, and I have

some - but there is nearly no coherence in my opinion.

 

Cheers

Edited October 9, 2017 by Therion

[Bullets]

This sim can be so much more than just "historical battles simulator" I don't see the point of limiting aircraft production... like canadaone said "more planes", there is literally no negative to the sim by having more aircraft for us to fly...  Being honest when I fly multiplayer most of the time I don't really care about where I am flying and even less so if what I am flying ever flew there (I respect that a lot of people do and I certainly do sometimes as well.) I care much more about equal matched playing fields plane wise for pilots to choose from.   Singleplayer / career is a different story, I love playing the character I have created and flying my daily missions in a historically accurate squadron with its accurate plane set.     

 

That being said, the devs have so many other options open to them other than just building these battle scenarios and making more use of the amazing tech they have created. Jet era aircraft / early war aircraft, even developing a gliding sim would be amazing.  Someone earlier said go to DCS if i want jets however I refuse, there is no current software around that simulates the sensation of flight as well as BOX / ROF and that is down to our devs amazing work..

This was just a big ramble but I don't understand why people try to limit this sims production to "time and place" constraints 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Gladiators with 112 Squadron in the desert.

 

Gladiators over Malta.

 

More biplanes, no jets.

[Royal_Flight]

A Spanish Civil War release would be brilliant. A lot of scope for aircraft too going from biplanes in the early days to the more advanced Italian, German and Soviet types.

And some of the work has already been done as we have a Stuka, 109 and Heinkel, and an I-16, all of which would take comparatively less work to roll back to their earlier versions than it would take to add new aircraft completely.

 

Would certainly make for an interesting type of combat, with top-tier biplanes against early monoplanes.

 

Early-war/Battle of France could also be brilliant, although with a great variety of countries involved in one side vs the Luftwaffe (and maybe Regia Aeronautica) on the other, there might be too many aircraft to choose from for allies while axis just get early versions of existing aircraft.

 

The RAF alone could fill a varied set of five aircraft (Spit Ia, Hurricane I, Gloster Gladiator, Fairey Battle and Bristol Blenheim), as could the French (Bloch 152, Hawk 75, Dewotine D.520, Potez 633 and DB-7 - which we'll have thinks to Kuban).

Add the Dutch and Polish designs and there's loads to choose from.

 

Against that there's the standard line-up of Stukas, 109s, 110s, 111s, 88s, maybe an Hs-123 or Do-17 for something new? As well as the Ju-52.

Factor in the Italians and there's maybe a Cr.42, G.50, Br.20...

In addition, now the British and axis sets are starting to resemble CloD and BoX ends up in almost direct competition, probably not wise or healthy for either game.

 

If we're not going to North Africa because Team Fusion are taking CloD there then maybe unlikely BoX will go to France.

 

Just a thought, although I do agree that early war holds much more interest than late war.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Pinko, I think Royal Flight means that since now Cliffs of Dover has regained official supoort again, the 1C bosses would not want to have two developer teams developing the same theatre in two flight simulators.

[Royal_Flight]

Pinko, I think Royal Flight means that since now Cliffs of Dover has regained official supoort again, the 1C bosses would not want to have two developer teams developing the same theatre in two flight simulators.

Yeah, that's my point exactly. If they both start doing similar theatres, the flame wars will be intense, let alone anything else.

And as they're both under the 1C heading, there's no sense in trying to poach from a playerbase that you're catering to yourself to begin with.

 

I don't have enough experience of CloD to debate the relative merits of it and BoX but from a business perspective I doubt we'll get to France in 1940 at least.

 

Spanish Civil War would be a good theatre though, especially with 777's Rise of Flight experience with biplanes.

 

Or... combine biplanes with the carrier experience we'll all get from Midway and go to Malta.

Sea Gladiator, Swordfish, Albacore. Add a Fulmar and Sea Hurricane and fly against Cr.42, SM.79, MC.200, Ju-88 and Ju-87R...

 

We certainly aren't short of options for where to go next, that's for sure.

Edited October 9, 2017 by Royal_Flight

[Jade_Monkey]

I hope we move towards more powerful prop planes before going to jets or going backwards.

 

Im thinking of P47, P51, P38, B25, B24, B17 and all equivalent planes from other nations.

 

Also with the recent technology changes i hope there is a way to add 4 engine bombers. The optimizations since the game initially launched have been incredible, i have a feeling it's a lot more achievable now.

[Royal_Flight]

I always got the impression that the problem with four-engines heavies was in building them; the complexity of making them work, the detail required, the AI and the sheer time it would cost the dev team, and that was what was keeping them from implementing them.

 

So hopefully, with third-party companies now creating content on a trial basis (Po-2/Li-2), if the next instalments sell well enough to bring in a bit more money for the team and allow for a higher budget, I don't think there's any technical reason that we can't end up with heavies.

That's just an extrapolation and may not be accurate, but that's what I get out of what has been said about this subject by devs before.

 

The only other issue is map sizes, with enough fuel for a round trip from southern England to central Germany there might be limited physical space to get airborne and reach altitude before running out of map. Or rely on air-starts which is a contentious subject, to put it mildly.

And, if people's sense of teamwork is sufficiently well-developed to allow this to work in multiplayer... which some days seems not to be the case.

 

But if these hurdles can be overcome, or at least a creative way around them can be found, then I thoroughly support the idea. A raid deep behind enemy lines in a Lancaster guided by Mosquitos while being hunted by He-219 or Bf-110 nightfighters, or a combat box of B-17s escorted by P-47 and P-51s against Fw-190D and Me-410s, that would be really something.

 

Even Hawker Tempest and Spitfire mk XIV chasing V-1s, or He-177s would be great.

Edited October 9, 2017 by Royal_Flight

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

The Entire Area of Arnhem, Dunkirk, Ardennes and Bastoge, as well as Aachen are in a 330x360km Rectangle. And that is good for a whole number of Important Theatres.

Finally, something we agree on.

 

Your map suggestion could be used for scenarios throughout the war - late war included.

 

It's is also relatively easy to build a tactical air war planeset with single engine fighters and a multitude of twin engine types. Frankly it'd be more interesting than the high altitude alternative with four engines anyway. Heavies are not going to be made any time soon, the developers have stated this point blank and it's not up for debate.

 

The DEVS won't poach from CLOD but I'd love to see them go after the Normandy crowd. The focus there is almost purely tactical in nature and gameplay would complement what we have been doing "in the East," quite nicely but with a planeset for the Western crowd. You could do two installments of your map; one early and one late plus Normandy then either go back East or go mid-war Med and pickup some interesting AC there as well.

Edited October 9, 2017 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[OrLoK]

Id prefer more oddities as collector planes, be it biplanes or early jets etc etc.

 

That way the devs dont need to create content and can leave it to us lot and server hosts to include them or not in missions etc.

 

I just love flying. Ymmv.

 

 

Edit: id also hapilly buy fictional "generic" maps.

Edited October 9, 2017 by OrLoK

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

True oddities may be the realm of third parties if the current experiment is a success. It is pretty clear the DEV's have plenty of interest in dropping onsey/twoseys on us where they are able. I'm sure it helps smooth the cash flow valleys, slightly, between major releases.

 

Edit: fantasy maps are probably the realm of third parties as well, I suspect. The team seems rather focused on historical accuracy for the most part. I'd be willing to make allowances for Pacific maps including, as Gambit has suggested, shrinking the maps ocean expanses to get land masses and islands closer together.

Edited October 9, 2017 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[=WH=PangolinWranglin]

I'd quite like to see either Korea or an early war Chinese scenario. I'll buy pretty much any scenario and probably most of the collector planes. 

[opeth357opeth367]

My advice is: Enjoy what we have instead of dreaming about something that likely won't happen.

 

Firstly thanks a lot for your consideration  

Of course I agree with you that we are talking about an already excellent product, but I don't find a reason for which we have to stop to dream: if i had thought so, probably I still would have played with FS2000...

And I have to be clear: I've never wanted a gift from Studios, I would pay for this, of course!     ... and to my mind many customers would do the same.

 

 

This won't happen for a very long time, for the reason that jet aircraft are completely outside the timeframe of this sim.

 

 

Jokes apart, I'm also sure that I am not the only one who prefer to have another (and so completely different) aircraft to fly more then a detailed historical recostruction of the battles.

Yes, it might be a rough point of view, but how could we forget the success of Il2 1946? Maybe some campaigns were simply invented, but personally I had a lot of fun with it for so many years, thanks to the possibility to choice between a lot of flyable aircraft.

 

Of course It would be stupid to ask for a F-106, but we are talking about aircrafts (Meteor / P80 / Me 262) that, even though with negligible effects, have seen the battlefield in the end of WW2.

[Finkeren]

I get what you mean. Personally I disagree. The value for me in a WW2 combat flight sim is absolutely in creating historical or historically plausible scenarios. The planes themselves hold little value to me, if there is no historically fitting map to fly them on and a set of matching plane types to fly alongside and against.

[Royal_Flight]

Also, while we're speculating and suggesting... Korea could have a lot of scope for a theatre release in two parts.

First features a map of the south with a late piston-engine plane set and the second a map of the north with early jets.

So, earlier and later in the war.

 

Potentially using aircraft like Hawker Sea Fury, Seafire mk.46, F-51, A-1 Skyraider and A-26 for UN vs maybe Yak-9, La-7, Il-10, An-2 and Tu-4 (I think North Korea used them, might be wrong) for the first set.

 

The second set could feature F-80, Gloster Meteor, F-86, vs Yak-15, MiG-9, MiG-15.

Additional jets can be suggested by others who know more than me as that's as far as my knowledge of the Korean War goes.

 

This way, like BoK and BoS, we get two releases which compliment each other but can be separated by mission designers if needs be so the older aircraft can be used without the whole thing becoming a turkey shoot online.

A piston-engine scenario so everyone's on equal terms rather than F-51s being chased around by MiG-15s the whole time.

 

Also allows about a year's worth of high-performance piston aircraft to enjoy while the second set is in development, and then jets come as a logical progression from that.

 

And then some servers combine the two for variety, with jet fighters dunking it out while the piston-engined aircraft fly off carriers and land bases to carry out ground strikes.

 

Pros: includes carriers, includes tactical air war, variety of nations involved on both sides so everyone should have something (UK/Commonwealth, US, South Korea, France and Soviet Union, North Korea and China), high-performance piston engines, uses some further advancements of existing aircraft we have (less development work), in many ways is a logical continuation of where the series is going.

 

Cons: jets could take a lot of work, needs new maps and assets, maybe unfamiliar theatre to most, no idea what addition of jets might do to gameplay, might be hard to get a variety of aircraft types (pistons - multiple roles, jets - only fighters).

 

Thoughts? Or anything I've missed?

[InProgress]

My dream game is Soviet invasion of Afghanistan :D always wanted to fly Mi17 or Mi24 <3 it would be so awesome, I think it's more like dcs thing but they don't make cool single player :/ also love mig15 but I wish there would be actually afghan map with campaign/carrier.

 

That's kind of problem in gaming industry, we keep getting ww2 game with east or west front, no one cares about africa, early war 39-41, greece etc. Italy, Hungary, Finland, non existing in ww2, just germans. How many games will be about this damn normandy? :| I really don't understand people asking for it, how many times can same thing be made? While il2 I would love to see frace (tho this should be as cliffs of dover dlc) poland, Mediterranean, east india etc. It goes for all kind of games not only fly sims, there can be so much stories to tell and new experiences if game will take place in Afghanistan during Soviet union, Falkland war or more less know events. I only know one game about afghan, 9th company, based on movie with the same title, really fun game and movie

Edited October 10, 2017 by InProgress

[opeth357opeth367]

My dream game is Soviet invasion of Afghanistan :D always wanted to fly Mi17 or Mi24 <3 it would be so awesome, I think it's more like dcs thing but they don't make cool single player :/ also love mig15 but I wish there would be actually afghan map with campaign/carrier.

 

That's kind of problem in gaming industry, we keep getting ww2 game with east or west front, no one cares about africa, early war 39-41, greece etc. Italy, Hungary, Finland, non existing in ww2, just germans. How many games will be about this damn normandy? :| I really don't understand people asking for it, how many times can same thing be made? While il2 I would love to see frace (tho this should be as cliffs of dover dlc) poland, Mediterranean, east india etc. It goes for all kind of games not only fly sims, there can be so much stories to tell and new experiences if game will take place in Afghanistan during Soviet union, Falkland war or more less know events. I only know one game about afghan, 9th company, based on movie with the same title, really fun game and movie

 

Very very interesting point

I get what you mean. Personally I disagree. The value for me in a WW2 combat flight sim is absolutely in creating historical or historically plausible scenarios. The planes themselves hold little value to me, if there is no historically fitting map to fly them on and a set of matching plane types to fly alongside and against.

 

Ok: without dreaming a new title or inventing a false scenario, a Me 262 sold like a Collector plane could make everyone happy. If you want it, buy it.

[SCG_OpticFlow]

100% with you. Operation X and Legion Condor could be a tremendous theater. People just don't know it. The Spanish Civil War seems to be almost completely absent from bit a few minds, yet it was a Prototype for what was to come. 

 

But because it is forgotten, and people are afraid of what they don't already like, it probably won't happen. 

 

People are just so goddamn conservative, you'd want to drive a Nail through their thick skulls sometimes. They just get stuck in their thinking, like a needle at the end of a Record Disc, like a Horse in the deep Mud of Selfcongratulation and Complacancy. 

 

We even have some of the planes for the Spanish Civil War (with some modifications) -- The Bf109, He111, Ju87, Ju52 and I-16.

 

Spain would make a beautiful location to fly on...

[Bullets]

I have always had the opinion that the devs don't like creating "uber planes"   ,  Back in ROF they never made the Sopwith Snipe & Siemens-Schuckert D.IV even though they were two very highly requested aircraft and would have made great competitors.   I feel it will be the same for the BOX series,  the chance of ever seeing a late version 109 / spit & jet aircraft is very small.. Early war / poor performance aircraft can be fun sure (I loved ROF) but I for one crave some performance from the aircraft in this sim, also I think having some iconic better performing aircraft in the BOX series would bring in a load new players. It would be interesting to compare the sales of BOK (premium) to BOS/BOM just because it had the Spitfire..