Let's talk about the G6

[Willy__]

I think the standart 20mm gunpods, the Glass headrest, some 50 and 250kg bombs and i Hope a mk108 motorkanone

[6./ZG26_Custard]

 

 

i Hope a mk108 motorkanone

Keeping fingers crossed for this. 

[Voidhunger]

Keeping fingers crossed for this.

Yeah me too!

[Irgendjemand]

MK108 - Will pretty much be the only thing that wil make flying it worthwhile i guess.

[Asgar]

MK108 - Will pretty much be the only thing that wil make flying it worthwhile i guess.

and you say Klaus is talking just [Edited]. I don't agree with him, but you're not one bit better than him in that regard

Edited October 8, 2017 by Bearcat

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Governments =/= people

Democracy: People=Government 

MK108 - Will pretty much be the only thing that wil make flying it worthwhile i guess.

Nope. We may get some Radio Navigation in it as well. And that would make it slightly more Comfortable to fly.

 

Well, the G-6 Engine Limits will likely remain unchnged.

 

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/me109/BF109_G-2-4-6_Bedienungsvorschrift_June43.pdf

Edited October 5, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus-Mann

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

For those who can't see the point or advantage of the G-6, try a different perspective

 

Wartime aircraft are built based on the needs of the front and previous combat experience.

 

As we enter 1943, a major trend in aircraft design is improved survivability compared to 1941 designs. The varied measures (rear gunners, better turrets, more armour, structural reinforcements, etc.) make aircraft somewhat heavier, but a few extra km/h are not worth losing the airframe and crew and the results show it.

 

With aircraft becoming more dangerous to attack and more resistant to the weaponry used, some previously effective ammunition types lose their usefulness. Namely, rifle calibre machine guns now can't really do much on their own and aircraft armed with them need to rely solely on their only cannon with limited ammunition to do any significant damage.

 

As a response, designers on both side take the hint, and the newer Yakovlev and Messerschmitt fighters replace their cowling light weapons for heavy machine guns. The Focke-Wulf and Lavochkin bureaus were less obsessed with light aircraft, and their newer models for a while now pack at least a pair of 20mm guns to do the job.

 

For the Bf-109 pilot, this has significant advantages. Despite losing in overall performance, the pilot can now attack the Pe-2 and Il-2 with a much higher success rate. Owning to the former's size and redundant systems, and the latter's armour and durability, a burst of 7.7mm ammunition is the equivalent to tickling. 13mm however is enough to get through armour and critical parts, and losses are bound to mount thanks to that. A similar picture happens in fighter combat - as Soviet fighters from 1942 onwards are tougher, snapshots from 7.7mm are often ineffective, but 13mm is enough to deal with the toughest of targets.

 

Long story short, Luftwaffe pilots often complain that their weapons are ineffective against certain targets. Embrace this improvement in firepower, it will definitely come in handy.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Most of the Complainers most likely apparently are not of the Il-2 Hunting Fraction. That would ve too practical. The G-6 will not be a personal Glory Machine, and therefore less worthwhile. 

 

I am very much looking forward to a Yak-7 as well. Same Reason as the G-6. 

[DB605]

As a response, designers on both side take the hint, and the newer Yakovlev and Messerschmitt fighters replace their cowling light weapons for heavy machine guns. The Focke-Wulf and Lavochkin bureaus were less obsessed with light aircraft, and their newer models for a while now pack at least a pair of 20mm guns to do the job.

 

For the Bf-109 pilot, this has significant advantages. Despite losing in overall performance, the pilot can now attack the Pe-2 and Il-2 with a much higher success rate. Owning to the former's size and redundant systems, and the latter's armour and durability, a burst of 7.7mm ammunition is the equivalent to tickling. 13mm however is enough to get through armour and critical parts, and losses are bound to mount thanks to that. A similar picture happens in fighter combat - as Soviet fighters from 1942 onwards are tougher, snapshots from 7.7mm are often ineffective, but 13mm is enough to deal with the toughest of targets.

 

Long story short, Luftwaffe pilots often complain that their weapons are ineffective against certain targets. Embrace this improvement in firepower, it will definitely come in handy.

 

Indeed, and like said before, those who already have flown G4, performance loss is almost unnoticeable.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

I think we should only have Hartmman's skins on new G6.

 

It will help to increase bombers and ground attack crews morale.

Edited October 5, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Gielow

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I think we should only have Hartmman's skins on new G6.

 

It will help to increase bombers and ground attack crews morale.

definetly.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

definetly.

Soviet pilots who defends time line and other constrains for everything else should disengage on sight too to keep simulation closer to reality

Edited October 5, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Gielow

[DB605]

Some nice skins to fit "early" G6

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 5, 2017 by DB605

[6./ZG26_Custard]

 

 

Some nice skins to fit "early" G6  

I'm liking White 7.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

 

 

PS. Thank you US people for all your fine music.

Agreed.  

[Livai]

Source?

 

First I found out that the G-6 could fit all Engine types like the DB605A,DB605AS,DB605AM or DB605ASM. If not factory produced then Field Modification with MW-50 could be done everytime everywhere fitting to the G-6s the DB605AM or DB605ASM Engine. Next I found the Manual for the plane type G-6/U4 with MK108 http://www.germanluftwaffe.com/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/m/Messerschmitt/Me%20109/Bf%20109%20G-6%20U4%20Bedienungsvorschrift%20-Wa.pdf  Looking at the Date from this manuel: " July 1943 last time edited and August 1943 released. There stands something interesting this " it enters into full force and effect on the day of release". BTW who release a manual without the plane???.  What means G-6 with MK108 was flying around August 1943 if not earlier.

 

The best to last the manual for the U4 released in August 1943 means the manuel for the U3 with MW-50 was already released and handed out--->

[Jizzo]

 

First I found out that the G-6 could fit all Engine types like the DB605A,DB605AS,DB605AM or DB605ASM. If not factory produced then Field Modification with MW-50 could be done everytime everywhere fitting to the G-6s the DB605AM or DB605ASM Engine. Next I found the Manual for the plane type G-6/U4 with MK108 http://www.germanluftwaffe.com/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/m/Messerschmitt/Me%20109/Bf%20109%20G-6%20U4%20Bedienungsvorschrift%20-Wa.pdf  Looking at the Date from this manuel: " July 1943 last time edited and August 1943 released. There stands something interesting this " it enters into full force and effect on the day of release". BTW who release a manual without the plane???.  What means G-6 with MK108 was flying around August 1943 if not earlier.

 

The best to last the manual for the U4 released in August 1943 means the manuel for the U3 with MW-50 was already released and handed out--->

You are forgetting that there are very high time gaps for some equipment, which was introduced on the western front but arrived on the eastern front much later.

Edited October 5, 2017 by [TWB]Jizzo

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

PS. Thank you US people for all your fine music.

And George Carlin, one of the greatest Minds of modern Comedy.  George has been great Company on those Long Level Bombing Flights. 

Edited October 5, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus-Mann

[Gambit21]

Don Henley and the Eagles might be our greatest contribution.

 

On another note, I think there's a certain contingent that would be content if the devs just gave them a flying Mk 108 cannon.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Don Henley and the Eagles might be our greatest contribution.

 

On another note, I think there's a certain contingent that would be content if the devs just gave them a flying Mk 108 cannon.

To be honest, I think the Devs may just play fast and loose with History on this one and give it to us. Call it a 70% Chance. 

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Might just be easier to include it wander the historical servers shut it out as they feel fit after all. Then those who like it can play offline with it, and in servers that are less geared towards historical accuracy in weaponry

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I'm liking White 7.

Red 13 for me. 

[-TBC-AeroAce]

The might as well just put it in there as it will save a job for later. But it should be locked for the relevant campaigns and by historical server admins

[LLv24_Zami]

Personally I don't care if MK108 comes or not. If it comes, it doesn't have to be used. Apart from few test flights, I don't have use for it. Maybe some MP servers could use it. I will be flying the career with historical setups.

[Finkeren]

I would like to see a skin of this G6:

 

[Finkeren]

As for the MK 108 I actually hope they will put it in there. It's not completely out of the scope of BoK and it will make things interesting tbh.

 

While it is a fearsome weapon with great potential to kill with one hit, it's not without its issues. German pilots will have to get used to less than 6 seconds of firing time for their main weapon. The very low muzzle velocity means that it will be much harder to hit a maneuvering target, lead deflection will be greater and the likelyhood of hitting with both the MK108 and the MG 131s is slim once you're outside convergence distance.

 

In many ways I'd liken this to the Hispanos on the Spitfire: they are fearsome weapons but with very limited ammunition and difficult to hit with.

[Gambit21]

Yep

[Asgar]

I take either one of those, or both is also fine with me

[Cpt_Cool]

Would the MK108 be useful for a user-made Kursk scenario/map?

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

i cant imagine 777 would intoduce a G–6 without /U4 modification IMHO !

 

Missiondesigners can still restrict the use of it AFAIK.

How we did it in IL2´46 times.

 

And we should forgett „Oleg´s“ FM ........

As already said, its performance should not be far away from the ingame G–2 or G–4, depends if its DB605 will get Start–/Notleistung or not.

Edited October 5, 2017 by III/JG53Frankyboy

[MrNoice]

lol if it will have no mk 108 and 1.3ata limit it would be the worst plane ingame ^^

 

hope mg151 minengeschoss will be fixed to a realistic state and not like a softair gun

[Holtzauge]

Sorry to rain on the parade but knowing how Mingeschoss are modeled in-game I'm not too excited about the Mk108......OTOH, to be a bit optimistic, maybe the developers will take this as an opportunity to fix the 20 mm Mingeschoss DM as well!

[Jizzo]

i cant imagine 777 would intoduce a G–6 without /U4 modification IMHO !

 

Missiondesigners can still restrict the use of it AFAIK.

How we did it in IL2´46 times.

 

And we should forgett „Oleg´s“ FM ........

As already said, its performance should not be far away from the ingame G–2 or G–4, depends if its DB605 will get Start–/Notleistung or not.

Climb performance will not be very different compared to the G4 but top speed at least compared to the bubbleless G2 is like night and day on 1.3 ata.

Edited October 5, 2017 by [TWB]Jizzo

[DB605]

Climb performance will not be very different compared to the G4 but top speed at least compared to the bubbleless G2 is like night and day on 1.3 ata.

 

Should be around 20km/h slower than G2.

[LukeFF]

lol if it will have no mk 108 and 1.3ata limit it would be the worst plane ingame ^^

 

Good grief, are you that dense? The G-4 already can run at 1.42 ata. They aren't going to de-rate the G-6 to 1.3 ata.

[Hirachi]

I know this might not be the right front but i do hope we will get this skin for the ME-109G6

 

 

Or the Wilde Sau schemes

 

[JG302_Heidebock]

Yellow 5 is such a nice skin xD

[Kurfurst]

As for the MK 108 I actually hope they will put it in there. It's not completely out of the scope of BoK and it will make things interesting tbh.

 

 

IIRC there were no MK 108 armed G-6/U4s or other /U4 variants on the Eastern Front until 1944. That thing was meant first and foremost as a can opener against viermots. Against Sturmos and Yaks, it was an vast overkill.

 

At least in real life, not talking about the ballistics/dm model in-game.

[Dutchvdm]

IIRC there were no MK 108 armed G-6/U4s or other /U4 variants on the Eastern Front until 1944. That thing was meant first and foremost as a can opener against viermots. Against Sturmos and Yaks, it was an vast overkill.

 

At least in real life, not talking about the ballistics/dm model in-game.

 

Are all G6 models with the MK-108 marked U4? According to www.ww2.dk Jg 52 git their first U4's late 1944. That's quite a bit out of our timeline indeed.

 

http://www.ww2.dk/air/jagd/jg52.htm

 

Grt M

[FTC_Riksen]

When/If the La-5FN comes to the game, the Luftwaffe guys that use the 109 for turning contests will have to be very carefull to avoid getting caught low by one of them. La5-FN low + 109 low = Dead 109 x 2. Simple as that