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LLv24_Zami

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Not going to disagree with you on that, I just really hope that the second most numerous lend lease aircraft (the Hurricane) with nearly 3000 flying on the eastern front will one day be realised in this sim.

I would welcome the Hurricane. But I doubt that devs have time to create a completely new model anytime soon though. 

 

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Thad

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People will pay extra to fly a brick?  :wacko:

Absolutely. More is always better. :salute:

Yogiflight

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do you think the Devs will go to Europe ? I think they said a long time ago the dont want to do a europe scenario

As they won't go to Africa, there is not that much left, where to go. Remember, the part of Russia, we are flying in, is in Europe, too. So my post was written on the safe side.

216th_Lucas_From_Hell

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There's a lot of Soviet Union and Pacific battles to go. Late 1943 until early 1945 remains unexplored, same for early 1941 and battles like the Winter War and Khalkin Gol or China. Then you have all of the Pacific wide open as well. Considering each expansion takes one to two years to complete, it's a lot of content to go.

 

Cliffs of Dover and DCS are better equipped in the short run to make tactical MTO and ETO scenarios.

BlznSaddles

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There's a lot of Soviet Union and Pacific battles to go. Late 1943 until early 1945 remains unexplored, same for early 1941 and battles like the Winter War and Khalkin Gol or China. Then you have all of the Pacific wide open as well. Considering each expansion takes one to two years to complete, it's a lot of content to go.

 

Cliffs of Dover and DCS are better equipped in the short run to make tactical MTO and ETO scenarios.

 

 

Yeah, I'll expect a good ETO release from one of those sims in about 2037.

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=EXPEND=Tripwire

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Whilst I'd like to see a mk108 cannon with the G6, it wouldn't really fit with the timeframes of Kuban. Problem with it being an available mod is server mission builders seem to throw any sense of reality out with modifications being available in scenarios where they shouldn't be. Maybe one day that would change but I doubt it.

 

I really hate seeing the Vya-23 on Lagg3 fighters yet every one of the major servers allows that fairy-tale modification. You can bet on seeing a MK108 appearing when it shouldn't.

 

Interested in seeing how the MG131's perform. The current MG's on the 109 rarely seem to do critical damage unless at a high angle of attack scoring a lucky engine strike.

6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

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What about the BK 3.7 on the Stuka.

LLv24_Zami

LLv24_Zami

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What about the BK 3.7 on the Stuka.

Should be a rare sight as the Vya-23. I don`t play much MP, can`t they limit the weapons available? 

216th_Lucas_From_Hell

216th_Lucas_From_Hell

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The BK 37 was in operation during the Kuban timeline though. Not sure if it was specifically used there but The timeframe fits that specific map.

LLv24_Zami

LLv24_Zami

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The BK 37 was in operation during the Kuban timeline though. Not sure if it was specifically used there but The timeframe fits that specific map.

Sure it fits the time frame, but it was not very common although effective weapon.

LLv24_Zami

LLv24_Zami

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Okay, lets get this topic back on trail and put couple of pics of this beast from the Suomen Ilmavoimamuseo, Tikkakoski Finland 

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And of course one off topic shot of the Blenheim mkIV   :biggrin:

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LLv24_Zami

LLv24_Zami

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MT-451? Who was the pilot? Juutilainen?

Let`s say that it was Fighter Squadron 34s plane :) . Juutilainen might have flown this plane on couple of missions but it was not his plane so to speak. Only victory claimed with this plane seems to be Eino Luukkainens claim on a Yak on october 5th 1944 over Narvi. 

 

I can`t check it right now but I highly doubt that Juutilainen flew more than few missions with this machine. If at all.

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LukeFF

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When did G-6s start being equipped with RDF equipment? I see the 3D preview screenshots show it equipped with a loop antenna.

6./ZG26_Custard

6./ZG26_Custard

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Did the G6 use WGr21 cm Rockets on the eastern front? 

 

Edit: What Mods do you think it will have?

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707shap_Srbin

707shap_Srbin

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Did the G6 use WGr21 cm Rockets on the eastren front? 

No.

LLv34_Temuri

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Panzerbar, if you are making a Finnish skin for the G6, how about MT-417? It was Eino Luukkanen's plane.

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GridiroN

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The devs should update the G-2 for Kuban  with a mod  " unlocked throttle" that would be great

 

it would be a better G4 ...

 

 

to be honest the G4 is useless at all...  its 

 

 

 

 but the biggest problem is that the   german planes suffer from  instant  power loose when damaged while russians like  mig 3 fly over 10min with damaged engine ;D

 

There is no real reason to do this. The 109 series is already better than everything the allies have in game. If the Soviets are ever given the Yak-3, I'd say sure, give the Germans a faster G2, whatever. But as the Yak-1b *almost* comes close to an F4, giving the Germs better and better planes doesn't make much sense. 

 

Especially now after the new FM update in 2.012, the FW190 is super dangerous (as it always should have been) the German team needs more interesting options, not better planes. 

 

 

I'm interested in the G6 not because it's going to be a butcher bird (it won't; most people won't like it), but because it's the 109 with interesting options like a new canopy. 

 

Actually the MiG-3 is the most vulnerable Russian plane to engine damage, sometimes you can get the engine dead seconds after the enemy's pass, don't know if it's because of the bigger frontal section of the plane making it more easily hit.. but it gets taken out with few hits and it doesn't last long when severly damaged, much less than the Klimovs.

 

Never been my experience. The AM35 is a hearty engine that if used right, can last a long long time even damaged. I almost always make it home with engine damage in a MiG, and I rarely get MiG kills unless I shoot off a wing or set him on fire. There's a reason they liked the AM series for the IL2. The engine runs so cold it takes a long time before it heats to breaking point. 

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216th_Lucas_From_Hell

216th_Lucas_From_Hell

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My go-to engines for survival are the AM-38 and M-105. Anything else dies the second a bullet hits when I'm flying, I guess it's bad luck :biggrin:

JG13_opcode

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do you think the Devs will go to Europe ? I think they said a long time ago the dont want to do a europe scenario

They'll spend a decade in the Pacific, but I have a faint glimmer of hope that they'll once again return to scenarios that are actually fun.

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They'll spend a decade in the Pacific, but I have a faint glimmer of hope that they'll once again return to scenarios that are actually fun.

 

I anticipate that there will be plenty of fun to be had in the Pacific. 

707shap_Srbin

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Panzerbar, if you are making a Finnish skin for the G6, how about MT-417? It was Eino Luukkanen's plane.

 

I hope to find a two-side set of photos of Bf109G-6 with finnish markings, bird emblem on tail, and standart early tailfin.

LLv34_Wmaker

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I hope to find a two-side set of photos of Bf109G-6 with finnish markings, bird emblem on tail, and standart early tailfin.

 

Unfortunately, during the war, the LLv34's eagle fledgling emblem was painted only on two Messerschmitt's. Those were MT-423 and MT-451. The MT-423 had a tall tail and the early heavy framed canopy and the MT-451 was vice versa with Erla Haube and the earlier tail.

707shap_Srbin

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Those were MT-423 and MT-451. The MT-423 had a tall tail and the early heavy framed canopy and the MT-451 was vice versa with Erla Haube and the earlier tail.
 

Thanks for info.

 

Who were the pilots of MT-451?

LLv34_Wmaker

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Who were the pilots of MT-451?

 

In the literature MT-451 is mentioned as being the mount of SSgt Erik Lyly, but like with most FiAF fighters, of course other pilots flew combat sorties with it as well. There is a well known film clip of Ilmari Juutilainen preparing for a flight and taxing out for take off with it on 29.6.44 when it was listed as Lyly's mount. The plane initially arrived to Finland with wing guns attached which were later removed as the summer of '44 progressed.

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707shap_Srbin

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On 5 aug. 1944 maj. Eino Luukkanen scored unit's last kill flying MT-451

What was finnish rank of Erik Lyly?

LLv34_Temuri

LLv34_Temuri

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What was finnish rank of Erik Lyly?

Kersantti

707shap_Srbin

707shap_Srbin

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Thx. Short abbreviation?

LLv34_Temuri

LLv34_Temuri

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Thx. Short abbreviation?

Kers.

LLv34_Wmaker

LLv34_Wmaker

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What was finnish rank of Erik Lyly?

 

 

Kersantti

 

 

 

By the time he flew the MT-451 he had been promoted to a rank of Ylikersantti (Ssgt, Staff Sergeant as I mentioned), Ylik for short.

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CIA_Yankee_

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I also think so. In any other game I played il 2 1946 and WT the g6 was totally outclassed by its rival opponents. The issue is so big that from that time period I totally switch to the FW series.

 

Only the pe 2 crews will suffer a lot.

 

I remember when in the old game (il2 46) in a War mode the main fighter on the german side was the g6 vs la 5 fn, the losses were really massive. Loosing each campaign and each mission.

 

As for me the time period up to the battle of Cuban is where I want to dogfight. After that there are no real dogfights, as the Yak 3 and La 5 FN come into play the germans have nothing to oppose regarding pure dogfighting capabilities. The game becomes more schematic and predictable. Even when I am in a la 5fn when I outmaneuver a 109 I am not proud of it.

 

To be fair, aren't we already in this situation, only reversed? It's not like the VVS had great options to compete with the 109s until the Yak-1b came along (and even then, it remains inferior, though by a much narrower margin).

 

I seriously doubt the G-6 will have things any worse than the VVS fighters have had for the last many years: if you start with the E advantage, or use good teamwork you will have a good chance to win, same as Yaks now do vs contemporary 109s and 190s. 

 

I guess the horizontal superiority of the Yaks/Spit does make things easier for the VVS when less skilled pilots are involved (which totally includes me, to be clear *grin*), because a 109 who lets things degenerate into a low level horizontal fight tends to get in real trouble even now. But good pilots know better than to let that happen, and there's no reason things will be any different with the G6... main difference is against the La 5FN their window of opportunity will be a lot narrower (because the FN will out E them eventually, at least at lower altitudes).

 

Maybe this is what you meant by the game becoming "more schematic"? That once the VVS reaches parity in performance, the LW is forced to stick strictly to BnZ in order to prevail, whereas now they can still afford to duke it out a bit before having to extend?

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[TWB]80hd

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They'll spend a decade in the Pacific, but I have a faint glimmer of hope that they'll once again return to scenarios that are actually fun.

 

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***POUTING INTENSIFIES***

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Yakdriver

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Let´s talk about G6 Baby,
let´s talk about you and me
let´s talk about all the good things
and the bad things that maybe...

he is fugly compared to an F4.
But to me still "THE" 109.
(Thank you CFS3!)

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US63_SpadLivesMatter

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Wikipedia says "GM-1-boosted G-5 and G-6 variants received the additional designation of "/U2"and were clearly identifiable as they use a modified, aerodynamically cleaner, engine cowl without the usual blisters." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Bf_109_variants#G-5.2C_G-6

 

Would be nice to have this variant...

Agreed. Does it fall within the timeframe?

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