Let's talk about the G6

[6./ZG26_Custard]

Always glad to see more aircraft on the horizon. Purely for a personal viewpoint, other than the possibility of a 30mm in the nose  the G6 won't bring much new to the table. I can see this aircraft being the bomber killer of choice but will it need a fighter escort    

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

IMO its a very valuable plane because it was the most produced variant and real fighters got curves!

[6./ZG26_Custard]

IMO its a very valuable plane because it was the most produced variant and real fighters got curves!

Don't get me wrong, I love it 

[Asgar]

MG 131, almost same trajectory as the MG 151/20. 3 high caliber weapons hitting the same place on the enemy aircraft plus the 131 had HEI-T rounds. fire, death and destruction 

[JG27*Kornezov]

other than the possibility of a 30mm in the nose the G6 won't bring much new to the table.

I also think so. In any other game I played il 2 1946 and WT the g6 was totally outclassed by its rival opponents. The issue is so big that from that time period I totally switch to the FW series.

 

Only the pe 2 crews will suffer a lot.

 

I remember when in the old game (il2 46) in a War mode the main fighter on the german side was the g6 vs la 5 fn, the losses were really massive. Loosing each campaign and each mission.

 

As for me the time period up to the battle of Cuban is where I want to dogfight. After that there are no real dogfights, as the Yak 3 and La 5 FN come into play the germans have nothing to oppose regarding pure dogfighting capabilities. The game becomes more schematic and predictable. Even when I am in a la 5fn when I outmaneuver a 109 I am not proud of it.

Edited September 29, 2017 by JG27_Kornezov

[BOO]

 real fighters got curves!

 

Ill buy it and ill fly it because of this!  I love the look of the G6. I could bring an F22 into most servers and still loose so it being outclassed makes no difference to me!!

[6./ZG26_Custard]

I also think so. In any other game I played il 2 1946 and WT the g6 was totally outclassed by its rival opponents. The issue is so big that from that time period totally switch to the FW series.

I remember when in the old game (il2 46) in a War mode the main fighter on the german side, the losses were really massive. Loosing each campaign and each mission.

It's a case of BIG firepower but.........not so much maneuverability. It will have to be flown sensibly.

[Voidhunger]

Im really looking forward to it even if we dont get the unhistorical 30mm and Erla canopy.

I really like the look of the G series.  Its not the sexy late G variant but it looks far better than what we have now.

[MrNoice]

MG 131, almost same trajectory as the MG 151/20. 3 high caliber weapons hitting the same place on the enemy aircraft plus the 131 had HEI-T rounds. fire, death and destruction 

you forgot the   MG 151/20 HE  Minengeschoss ?  ;D   not half as good as it should in  IL2 BoX  its even better in all other  WW2 Plane Games 

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

It will need Fighter Cover. 

[DD_Arthur]

It will need Fighter Cover. 

 

Lol.  Quite possibly!

[L3Pl4K]

Will with the Beule the more detailed cooler model with shut-off valves added(109F+G)? Or get we another unfinished product?

[Finkeren]

It will be even better at the usual 109 shtick of dropping down from orbit guns blazing at hapless Yaks.

 

And while it does represent a turning point, where the 109s started looking increasingly inelegant, the two blisters does give it a certain brutal look.

Will with the Beule the more detailed cooler model with shut-off valves added(109F+G)? Or get we another unfinished product?

Cut the crap.

 

Just because certain features aren't modeled (yet), it doesn't mean anything is "unfinished".

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

It will be even better at the usual 109 shtick of dropping down from orbit guns blazing at hapless Yaks.

 

And while it does represent a turning point, where the 109s started looking increasingly inelegant, the two blisters does give it a certain brutal look.

They didn't. This was like the Acne Phase in the ageing Process, All the models after it look better again. 

[Irgendjemand]

 

 

down from orbit

 

 

not since you cannot pull her out of the dive anymore at high speed.

[Jade_Monkey]

Im more excited about the MGs than potentially getting the 30mm.

[216th_Peterla]

Im more excited about the MGs than potentially getting the 30mm.

This

[Yogiflight]

 

 

Im more excited about the MGs than potentially getting the 30mm.

Absolutely. With the current modelling of the mineshell damage, they will definitely be more effective, than the MG151/20 and not that far behind the MK108, but with higher firing rate and more ammunition.

[szelljr]

FI 156...( )

[LLv24_Zami]

 

Enough said 

[MrNoice]

Absolutely. With the current modelling of the mineshell damage, they will definitely be more effective, than the MG151/20 and not that far behind the MK108, but with higher firing rate and more ammunition.

totally ;D   I can only agree with that 

[SC_Manu653]

I remember, on Il2 46,  struggling with the G6 on Italian campaign against P-38... if we were not disciplined it was a dead bird.

For me the advantage will the two 13mm... it will saw wing without using the 20mm !

[StG77_Kondor]

I remember, on Il2 46,  struggling with the G6 on Italian campaign against P-38... if we were not disciplined it was a dead bird.

For me the advantage will the two 13mm... it will saw wing without using the 20mm !

I remember the IL-2 '46 G6 very well. Was this before or after they fixed the FM for it? Remember when it first came out for the game it was an absolute DOG. And not like ~10% 'worse' than a G2, it acted like a totally different aircraft. Never forgot the UBIzoo battles over the data Oleg and his team used to create the FM. Long story short I think they inadvertently used flight data from a Russian captured G6 that obviously was not 100%. 

 

After the FM was fixed for it, it wasn't that bad. Heavier than a G2, but was still very capable of beating contemporary Russian planes.

[chris455]

Will the G-6 be free to those who pre-ordered BoK?

[Finkeren]

Will the G-6 be free to those who pre-ordered BoK?

Of course not. It's a collector's plane outside the main titles, same as the Yak-1b and the Ju 52.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

Apparently it will have performance close to the 109 F-2 at low altitude, something like 520/530 top speed.

 

Heavier than a G2, but was still very capable of beating contemporary Russian planes.

 

Compared to the 1.42 ata G-2 the G-6 downgrade in performance was really noticed in the 1943 missions. I always took the G-2 if both were available... the 30mm could vaporise enemy fighters with 1 or 2 hits but it had low ammo and the trajectory didn't help, so most of the time I prefered the 20mm. Also you had to fight against increased performance allied fighters (La-5FN, P-38J, P-39N/Q, Spit mk VIII) so mid-late 1943 LW pilots have to be more disciplined than before because they can't anymore dictate the fight in terms of speed, they have some climbrate advantage against some planes but not all of them.

[Thad]

Of course not. It's a collector's plane outside the main titles, same as the Yak-1b and the Ju 52.

Oh, boy.. another opportunity to support the simulation.

[SC_Manu653]

I remember the IL-2 '46 G6 very well. Was this before or after they fixed the FM for it? Remember when it first came out for the game it was an absolute DOG. And not like ~10% 'worse' than a G2, it acted like a totally different aircraft. Never forgot the UBIzoo battles over the data Oleg and his team used to create the FM. Long story short I think they inadvertently used flight data from a Russian captured G6 that obviously was not 100%. 

 

After the FM was fixed for it, it wasn't that bad. Heavier than a G2, but was still very capable of beating contemporary Russian planes.

Don't really remember it was between 2001 and 2008... But the G2 for me was better than G6 .

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I think the G-6 will be to the 109s what the Yak-7 is to the Yak-1. 

[216th_Peterla]

I remember the G6 Early of the old IL2-46 to be my most unfavorable aircraft, going in the career as fast I could to get other variants. Not sure if was an fm issue or real aircraft data.

[Finkeren]

I remember the G6 Early of the old IL2-46 to be my most unfavorable aircraft, going in the career as fast I could to get other variants. Not sure if was an fm issue or real aircraft data.

The G6 in the original IL2 was FUBAR, nothing to do with reality.

[LLv24_Zami]

Im more excited about the MGs than potentially getting the 30mm.

Same here. I think the 13mms will make a difference.

[III/JG2Gustav05]

Maybe I 'd better hold on the preorder till get what's her climb rate we' gonna have in this 2nd generation il2.

[JG27*Kornezov]

I just want the regular G2 with no engine limitations for Kuban. Not the g4, no it is not the same thing. Why the red side has La 5f with upgraded engine and the blue side does not?

Edited September 29, 2017 by JG27_Kornezov

[Finkeren]

I just want the regular G2 with no engine limitations for Kuban. Not the g4, no it is not the same thing. Why the red side has La 5f with upgraded engine and the blue side does not?

Because the La-5F was super-easy to make. It was all about removing the time limit on the boosted mode.

 

To open the G2 throttle limit would require actually adding more power to the engine and transfer the heat model etc. from the G4 to the G2 and test the effect on an airframe which is very similar but not exactly the same.

 

It's not a lot of work, but it's still much more than it took to make the La-5F.

[MrNoice]

The devs should update the G-2 for Kuban  with a mod  " unlocked throttle" that would be great

 

it would be a better G4 ...

 

 

to be honest the G4 is useless at all...  its 

 

 

 

 but the biggest problem is that the   german planes suffer from  instant  power loose when damaged while russians like  mig 3 fly over 10min with damaged engine ;D

Edited September 29, 2017 by Luftwolf

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

I just want the regular G2 with no engine limitations for Kuban. Not the g4, no it is not the same thing. Why the red side has La 5f with upgraded engine and the blue side does not?

 

Also because the 1.42 ata was cleared in October 1943 IIRC? I think if they were to be 100% strict the G-4 for Kuban wouldn't have got it either... The F engines for the La-5 started coming in February 1943 iirc. Plus the La-5F in game is just the F engine with the series 8 1942 airframe La-5... it doesn't have the improvements (higher speed, less weight, etc) + rear visibility canopy a "proper" mid-1943 La-5F would have.

 

Basically the La-5F upgrade is more appropiate for the Kuban timeframe.

 

I would like to have 1.42 ata for the G-2, as it gives it usefulness as a late 1943 plane, the more variants we have the more timeframe we can cover with the planes. But the F engine is an earlier feature. It would be like asking for a cannon Spitfire for Battle of Britain since the German get them in the 109 E-3.

 

 

 mig 3 fly over 10min with damaged engine ;D

 

Actually the MiG-3 is the most vulnerable Russian plane to engine damage, sometimes you can get the engine dead seconds after the enemy's pass, don't know if it's because of the bigger frontal section of the plane making it more easily hit.. but it gets taken out with few hits and it doesn't last long when severly damaged, much less than the Klimovs.

Edited September 29, 2017 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

This skin will have a proper plane to put it on...

 

Edited September 29, 2017 by [CPT]Pike*HarryM

[curiousGamblerr]

This skin will have a proper plane to put it on...

 

I'm not particularly moved by the G6 but I love that so much. We gotta add it to a thread about suggested skins, if the devs open one like they have in the past for some other planes.

[LukeFF]

I just want the regular G2 with no engine limitations for Kuban. Not the g4, no it is not the same thing. 

 

 

The devs should update the G-2 for Kuban  with a mod  " unlocked throttle" that would be great

 

Not gonna happen.