Switch from 3 back to 2D?

[1./KG4_OldJames]

After seeing the full screen play back of a vr video I made flying through kuban's snow topped mountains, I have to say I am considering going back to 2D just for the eye-candy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nope! The moment has passed. Still 3D vr for me.

[Nibbio]

Nope! The moment has passed. Still 3D vr for me.

 

Agree, no eye candy will ever bring me back in 2D!

[dburne]

Agree, no eye candy will ever bring me back in 2D!

 

Ditto here as well, I tried it once a few months ago and that was all it took. 

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

I tried as well. Everything was warped, small, out of size - and flat. Flat like a typical Japanese girl. Not my cup of tea. VR to the end! 

[LLv24_Zami]

Transition back to the 2D was quite easy to me. Primarily because of the lousy resolution in Rift, I just couldn`t get used to it. Eye candy won in my case. 

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Did you use proper ss and graphical settings? Without it is like going into sauna without cool beer, weniki, and saltstones! Something missing from the package 

[katdog5]

haha

Did you use proper ss and graphical settings? Without it is like going into sauna without cool beer, weniki, and saltstones! Something missing from the package 

 

I think it's just a preference for arcade mode vs. full immersion

[dburne]

Naw there is no doubt the resolution is a weakness in current generation of VR.

For some it does not bother, for some they cannot accept it.

 

Different strokes for different folks. I myself though have had more countless hours of fun in combat flight simming than I ever had before, since getting my Rift. Course I am retired now and that helps as well, but whereas before I might play a mission or two at most, now I find myself doing several and spending multiple hours at a time in it.

 

Thankfully there are enough VR gamers in this current generation of devices to keep the interest high from the developers of VR devices and helping to keep this train rolling.

[OrLoK]

I too cant go back. even with a 3 screen set up.

 

I may not be able to spot any thing but im "there".

[ICDP]

I bought a Rift CV1 and it broke outside warranty but even before it broke I spent far more time in 2d (4k).  I never replaced it because current gen VR has such poor IQ, I could never go back.

 

Low res

SDE

God Rays

Ghosting

Tunnel vision

 

I suspect most who say they will never go back have 1080p and may have never tried 4k at 32" - 40"

 

VR immersion is missed though,so I backed the kickstarter for the 8K Pimax.

I too cant go back. even with a 3 screen set up.

 

I may not be able to spot any thing but im "there".

 

Excellent description, I miss the "I'm there" feeling but not the poor IQ

Edited September 21, 2017 by ICDP

[[CPT]CptJackSparrow]

I went from 4k 55" to VR. Never again back to 2d.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

I thing 3d Vision is good in middle solution for now ofc one must own 3d vision ready monitor. Any way 3D Vision is high resolution with 3D but not that big immersion like been there with VR but bigger that 2D image too.

[LLv24_Zami]

Did you use proper ss and graphical settings? Without it is like going into sauna without cool beer, weniki, and saltstones! Something missing from the package 

Tried all the tricks available. The package was just not enough.

 

I`m not trying to diminish anyones experiences, just giving some different view on the matter 

Edited September 21, 2017 by Zami

[Thad]

Salutations,

 

Zami, please don't be overly concerned about annoying or offending anyone because of your honest observations or opinion about the VR experience.

 

Just like the diminished graphic resolution and field of view 'current' VR advocates accept, they tend to be zelots for VR towards anyone that doesn't swoon over the current VR experience as just behind the times and a arcade gamer.

 

Oh, Katdog5.... current VR is NOT full immersion. One has to wear a physical visually restrictive headset which prohibits one from seeing your real and needed joystick, keyboard or throttle controls during play. One has to play blind like using brail. This is not realistic despite the 3d visuals provided. Not to mention the motion sickness many experience with the current gear.

 

Please don't get pissed at me for stating my observation and or opinion. For one thing, I am seriously considering trying out VR. The upcoming V8 Pimax looks very promising and will go a long way towards addressing my preference for great graphical resolutions and it will supposedly eliminate any motion sickness one may experience.

 

Although, even a 8K setup will not eliminate the visually restrictive headset problem it may still be worth it if the graphics and FOV is very good. Time will tell.

Edited September 21, 2017 by Thad

[OrLoK]

 

Zami, please don't be overly concerned about annoying or offending anyone because of your honest observations or opinion about the VR experience.

 

Just like the diminished graphic resolution and field of view 'current' VR advocates accept, they tend to be zelots for VR towards anyone that doesn't swoon over the current VR experience as just behind the times and a arcade gamer.

 

Not very fair really.

 

Most of us *know* VR isn't for everyone and that's fine. But don't make us *all* out to be "zealots" It's simply not fair or very nice.

[katdog5]

Salutations,

 

Zami, please don't be overly concerned about annoying or offending anyone because of your honest observations or opinion about the VR experience.

 

Just like the diminished graphic resolution and field of view 'current' VR advocates accept, they tend to be zelots for VR towards anyone that doesn't swoon over the current VR experience as just behind the times and a arcade gamer.

 

Oh, Katdog5.... current VR is NOT full immersion. One has to wear a physical visually restrictive headset which prohibits one from seeing your real and needed joystick, keyboard or throttle controls during play. One has to play blind like using brail. This is not realistic despite the 3d visuals provided. Not to mention the motion sickness many experience with the current gear.

 

Please don't get pissed at me for stating my observation and or opinion. For one thing, I am seriously considering trying out VR. The upcoming V8 Pimax looks very promising and will go a long way towards reducing my preference for great graphical resolutions and it will supposedly eliminate any motion sickness one may experience.

 

Although, even a 8K setup will not eliminate the visually restrictive headset problem it may still be worth it if the graphics and FOV is very good. Time will tell.

 

you're right.  perhaps I should say eximious immersion.  

 

I dont like oranges as I prefer apples.  Never tried oranges, but maybe one day....

[Thad]

Judging another persons opinion or observations as unfair or not nice is very subjective and based upon anothers' own thoughts and opinions about the subject in question.

 

In that light, my honest opinions and assertions probably won't be perceived as fair or nice by those that disagree with the assertions or opinions. In the end, others reactions are their decision and I could care less

[dburne]

Interesting how some of these threads end up becoming a VR versus Non-VR thread...

 

In this VR sub-forum.

 

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/28215-welcome-discussion-about-vr-and-vr-controllers/?p=452682

Edited September 21, 2017 by dburne

[LLv24_Zami]

Interesting how some of these threads end up becoming a VR versus Non-VR thread...

 

In this VR sub-forum.

 

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/28215-welcome-discussion-about-vr-and-vr-controllers/?p=452682

I fail to see the point of this.

 

We are discussing VR whole time here, label of this topic is "Switch from 3 back to 2D?". I think even the not so positive experiences belong to the VR forum. No one is thrashing VR in itself. Just that these current devices are not what for example I expected, which is imo useful information for someone who is thinking to get one 

Edited September 21, 2017 by Zami

[[CPT]CptJackSparrow]

I think he means the inference of "zealots" casting feint insults "arcade gamers" towards others.

[OrLoK]

Yes, I *couldn't* care less if one loathes VR or not, I simply wouldn't cast aspersions on those who dont like VR, it's just their opinion. I certainly wouldnt call a VR disliker a luddite for example.

[ICDP]

Don't assume those who don't like the current incarnation of VR, do not like VR at all.  Some of us have tried it and love the experience but not the poor image quality and poor resolution.

I went from 4k 55" to VR. Never again back to 2d.

 

Apologies for the generalisation in my post.  I should have said "most have not tried" rather than, "never tried"

[[CPT]CptJackSparrow]

Don't assume those who don't like the current incarnation of VR, do not like VR at all.  Some of us have tried it and love the experience but not the poor image quality and poor resolution.

 

 

Apologies for the generalisation in my post.  I should have said "most have not tried" rather than, "never tried"

You've done nothing to apologize for. I neglected to put a smiley doodad in my post.

 

 

[Beazil]

I go back and forth between both. I have a triple monitor 3d vision setup and a vive. Another passionate flight SIM enthusiast I have got to watch over the years has a 3d vision triple projector setup that practically looks like a mini drive in theatre. Vr isn't perfect but its getting there. Its nice to be able to do both.

[[CPT]CptJackSparrow]

The only thing I spend a lot of time gaming on that's not VR is competetive RS:Siege. I've found some real gems in the Oculus store.

 

The Climb is very good.

Lone Echo is excellent.

Summer of Bullets (that western one) is a blast in PvP.

 

The Mission ISS while free was very fun.

[dburne]

The only thing I spend a lot of time gaming on that's not VR is competetive RS:Siege. I've found some real gems in the Oculus store.

 

The Climb is very good.

Lone Echo is excellent.

Summer of Bullets (that western one) is a blast in PvP.

 

The Mission ISS while free was very fun.

 

Yeah Lone Echo is next on my hit list.

Mission ISS is very cool, however that one kind of gets to me a little in the motion sickness department.

[[CPT]CptJackSparrow]

Lone Echo is worth the price. You will enjoy it.

 

And Robo Recall for plain silly fun.

[dburne]

Lone Echo is worth the price. You will enjoy it.

 

And Robo Recall for plain silly fun.

 

Yeah I have many hours in Robo Recall, have played it all the way through once and started another round with it to see if I could beat my first overall attempt.

 

It is silly fun and a blast to play.

 

My main problem is tearing myself away from flight sims long enough, getting harder and harder lol... Have already flown 5 missions today in my PWCG Campaign.

Edited September 21, 2017 by dburne

[[CPT]CptJackSparrow]

Aye, I do that too. I'll pop on the headgear, and look at my "home" and think I'll do some Robo, and maybe some Climb, and then I see the IL2 icon in the recent column and I end up in il2 MP.

 

Wife loves it too. She's a surgeon so she plays the snot out of that surgeon VR sim thing.

[LLv24_Zami]

The Mission ISS while free was very fun.

This was a cool experience.

[[CPT]CptJackSparrow]

Was I the only one who played ISS and felt bad when that manipulator arm thing kicked my ass for hours?

[dburne]

Was I the only one who played ISS and felt bad when that manipulator arm thing kicked my ass for hours?

 

Lol I gave up on it, probably about the last time I played it... will have to give a try here again soon,,, maybe.

[ICDP]

I did enjoy the ISS thing, I got the capsule docked on my second attempt

[[CPT]CptJackSparrow]

That thing drove me nuts. I even had the wife try it.

 

"This is why neither of us are astronauts"

 

The videos that popped up on how things work in the ISS was the best part.

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

I'm a VR Zealot.  Some day I will own one. 

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Don't assume those who don't like the current incarnation of VR, do not like VR at all. Some of us have tried it and love the experience but not the poor image quality and poor resolution.

 

 

Apologies for the generalisation in my post. I should have said "most have not tried" rather than, "never tried"

I also have a 55" and a 4k 34" and cannot go back to 2d.

 

And regarding that apologizing of yours: Stop this shite and don't worry about offending anyone, this is not an American college full of weakly Sjw snowflakes. You're on an international theatre here, so a complaint of anyone feeling "triggered" is nonsense. An Irishman, Russian or North/Eastern German would just laugh and "bash det head in". So feel free and enjoy your free speech mate!

 

I'd hand you a beer but this is the interwebs.

Edited September 21, 2017 by 2./JG51_Fenris_Wolf

[BlznSaddles]

Salutations,

 

Zami, please don't be overly concerned about annoying or offending anyone because of your honest observations or opinion about the VR experience.

 

Just like the diminished graphic resolution and field of view 'current' VR advocates accept, they tend to be zelots for VR towards anyone that doesn't swoon over the current VR experience as just behind the times and a arcade gamer.

 

Oh, Katdog5.... current VR is NOT full immersion. One has to wear a physical visually restrictive headset which prohibits one from seeing your real and needed joystick, keyboard or throttle controls during play. One has to play blind like using brail. This is not realistic despite the 3d visuals provided. Not to mention the motion sickness many experience with the current gear.

 

Please don't get pissed at me for stating my observation and or opinion. For one thing, I am seriously considering trying out VR. The upcoming V8 Pimax looks very promising and will go a long way towards addressing my preference for great graphical resolutions and it will supposedly eliminate any motion sickness one may experience.

 

Although, even a 8K setup will not eliminate the visually restrictive headset problem it may still be worth it if the graphics and FOV is very good. Time will tell.

 

 

This is why clickable cockpits with the Oculus Touch controllers would be so awesome... I'm sure I'd rather keep a real stick but I think using the "virtual" throttle and all other cockpit controls would be way nicer than trying to map everything to a HOTAS, and more realistic as well.

[TG-55Panthercules]

This is why clickable cockpits with the Oculus Touch controllers would be so awesome... I'm sure I'd rather keep a real stick but I think using the "virtual" throttle and all other cockpit controls would be way nicer than trying to map everything to a HOTAS, and more realistic as well.

 

Yeah - I never really saw any attraction for clickable cockpits in the pre-VR world, but now that I have my Rift w/ touch controllers I would so like to see something with BoS quality implement cockpits for use with the touch controllers.  Maybe someday...

[marklar]

 

 

I too cant go back. even with a 3 screen set up.

 

BoX does not support triple screen setups anyway so it's either VR or a single screen.

[Beazil]

BoX does not support triple screen setups anyway so it's either VR or a single screen.

Not true. BOS has supported triple screen setups for a very long time now.

 

Edit: I run a three screen setup and have for the past 10 years

Edited September 25, 2017 by Beazil