Tank Attack Practice - Quick Missions

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

Hi Guys

 

I am probably missing something but can anyone direct me to where/how I can load a mission where you get to choose static or moving tanks as well as choose the type of tank.... I can't find a mission where I can attack T-34s quickly and easily without flying a campaign where I have to use a specific plane.

 

Do I need to create my own missions in the mission editor?

[=ARTOA=Bombenleger]

There are many different training servers where you can practice attacking tanks.
If multiplayer is not an option for you you will probably have to biuld a mission yourself or look in the forums if you can download such a mission, I think there is a subforum for sharing missions.

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

Thanks Bombenleger... I'll check it out.

[Cybermat47]

Use the quick mission builder.

[[TWB]80hd]

One of the things I would recommend is a server with turbulence and tank hardness.

 

If you're flying Tactical Air War for example, even if the AAA is down and you have no enemies in the sector, the crosswind/turbulence is horrific and unless you're packing 37s, you're gonna need to hit tanks from a steep angle topside for the best effect.

[Custard]

Trouble with the quick missipn builder is that it frequently has you attack KV-1s as the Luftwaffe. Which if you want to practice your 30mm game are just too stronk, especially since most real missions have you attacking the far more killable T-34.

[-SF-Disarray]

KV 1 can be busted by a 37 mm gun. You just have to hit it from the side, low on the hull between the wheels and the tracks, or from behind. Very similar to how best to kill T-34s with that gun as it happens. Ether that or come screaming in from on high and punch the engine deck. That is a little more tricky but very effective.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I saw that one YouTube video that showed the guy killing a KV-1 with the 30mm as well. It required a 30mm dive shooting at the rear deck armor. Anything less and it didn't seem to work. I haven't done it yet... but it's good to practice.

 

The easiest way in a QMB setup is to select a single aircraft option, make sure the tanks are set for ground and then go and head off and bust some tanks.

 

I wish the QMB had some other options. Airfield attack, anti-shiping, anti-armor, etc. That would be good.

[-SF-Disarray]

On the Kuban map you can set ships up as targets

[NETSCAPE]

Request a mission to be made. List specifics:

 

Players plane, loadout, air-start? ground start?

 

wind, turbulence? 

 

target type? stationary or moving? 

 

ect.

 

Something simple like 1 plane and a bunch of tanks could be made very quickly. 

[Boaty-McBoatface]

Such a scenario is easy to set up on the full mission builder.

 

If you don't have time to learn the basics of the full mission builder, give me a pmail with what you want exactly, and I'll send you a mission.

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

Thanks Temujin

 

I want to be able to pick any ground attack plane and be over static tanks (the heaviest ie T-34 or KV-1) immediately at say 1000m. Idea is that if I am killed I can hit restart and go at it again. So we are talking real quick missions purely for practice purposes. 

 

Snow or out in the open is fine.

 

Possible?

Use the quick mission builder.

 

 

Problem with Quick Missions is I cant pick the type of tank, it always seems to be random and never the heavier tanks which are way more difficult with the LW guns. You also have to fly to them and they are always moving. Are there any stationary T-34s in the QMB.... I have never found any?

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

Trouble with the quick missipn builder is that it frequently has you attack KV-1s as the Luftwaffe. Which if you want to practice your 30mm game are just too stronk, especially since most real missions have you attacking the far more killable T-34.

Custard

 

Which map exactly gives you KV-1's? I always get the BT's. Thanks 

 

Dendro

[NETSCAPE]

So you would make a mission, save file or move mission file into missions folder of IL2 (you can make sub directories to organize stuff too....click on missions at main menu, not quick mission.

 

I can whip you up some missions. The catch is you can't have some menu option to change planes or loadouts. So one mission per plane/load out.

 

Quick missions never have stationary targets that I know of. One more reason you need a custom mission I'd say. 

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

OK Cool

 

Whatever you guys are able to make we can share them as Tank Attack practice missions here on the forums.

 

I think I will be able to create new missions with all kinds of planes and loadouts once I have one to work with.

 

Thanks gents.

 

Dendro.

[NETSCAPE]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ysassnlyy2yjysh/Tank%20Attack%20Practice%20Stuka.Mission?dl=0

 

Stuka, 1000m, 37mm AP ammo, 30% fuel.

 

3 of each Russian tank type in the game, all facing northward, armor thickness increases from south to north.

 

wind 2 m/s 090, turbulence is 0.5

 

Targets are exactly north of player, just north of Lapino AF.

 

To change plane type and loadout:

 

Select player plane. If properties dialog box is not open, right click, click properties. 

 

Click small box that says "model" - select desired plane to fly. 

 

Double Click plane to open advanced properties. 

 

Click the ">>" button left of "weapon mods" and select what you want.

 

You can adjust the wind and turbulence by clicking anywhere on the map (deselect plane) and in the mission properties box (right click-properties if not there) click "atmosphere options..." - set all the values to zero or whatever you want. (a note about the wind, the number in the editor is where the wind is blowing TO, not FROM. Hence why in the briefing area i say 90, but the editor value is actually 270. (I notice on WOL server the map makers sometimes make this mistake and the wind is literally 180 degrees of what they say it is in the briefing... they need to check a wind sock )

 

Now you can "save as" and adjust the title as you see fit. Also in the description box you can change what I wrote to "IL-2 tank practice" or something. 

 

One thing you need to know though is... a lot of the time when you change mission names/titles/briefing text you need to DELETE a file in your il2/data folder called "mtreechache" - this is the mission cache. ctreechache is, you guessed it, campaign cache. 

Edited September 13, 2017 by NETSCAPE

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

NETSCAPE.... you are a champ!

 

Thank you very much. I will try create more and share them to the community once I figure out the ME and how it works. I believe its not difficult at all to do the basics.

[ShamrockOneFive]

On the Kuban map you can set ships up as targets

 

True but you can't have your AI wingmen with you. So its a solo endeavour.

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

Big thank you to Netscape.... I had an absolute blast last night practicing my Stuka 37mm skills. Quick and good practice hitting them tanks from all angles.... I actually learnt a lot and can also see the slight difference in the tanks now. Those KV-1's are tough!

 

I created 3 more identical missions with the 110 G2, the JU88 and of course the Duck. I will also create with a 109G2 and 190 so we can practice Jabo attacks on the tanks as well.

 

I will then do missions for the russian planes.

 

Lastly I want to place tanks on the road much like we find on the WoL and TAW server so we can learn to avoid those tree thingys that like jumping in the way when you trying to strafe tanks.

 

Thanks again Netscape and temujin for offering advice and your help. 

[jaydee]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ysassnlyy2yjysh/Tank%20Attack%20Practice%20Stuka.Mission?dl=0

 

Stuka, 1000m, 37mm AP ammo, 30% fuel.

 

3 of each Russian tank type in the game, all facing northward, armor thickness increases from south to north.

 

wind 2 m/s 090, turbulence is 0.5

 

Targets are exactly north of player, just north of Lapino AF.

 

To change plane type and loadout:

 

Select player plane. If properties dialog box is not open, right click, click properties. 

 

Click small box that says "model" - select desired plane to fly. 

 

Double Click plane to open advanced properties. 

 

Click the ">>" button left of "weapon mods" and select what you want.

 

You can adjust the wind and turbulence by clicking anywhere on the map (deselect plane) and in the mission properties box (right click-properties if not there) click "atmosphere options..." - set all the values to zero or whatever you want. (a note about the wind, the number in the editor is where the wind is blowing TO, not FROM. Hence why in the briefing area i say 90, but the editor value is actually 270. (I notice on WOL server the map makers sometimes make this mistake and the wind is literally 180 degrees of what they say it is in the briefing... they need to check a wind sock )

 

Now you can "save as" and adjust the title as you see fit. Also in the description box you can change what I wrote to "IL-2 tank practice" or something. 

 

One thing you need to know though is... a lot of the time when you change mission names/titles/briefing text you need to DELETE a file in your il2/data folder called "mtreechache" - this is the mission cache. ctreechache is, you guessed it, campaign cache. 

 

Fantastic Post Netscape...I am sure a lot of Single Players will appreciate your work and the Info ! ~S~

Netscape, I know nothing of the ME. I tried it and found it too Hard.  I haven't opened it in years.. So I ask you this question (and also the Devs). 

How hard would it be to add a "Shortcut" to BOS  "Missions" GUI that "Point " to the ME ?

For example. A Player loads "Attack Tanks" mission. Then in the GUI , He chooses his aircraft and loadout using the new "shortcut to ME".

If this were possible, I believe it would Boost Single-Player enjoyment of BOS...Just Imagine Single-Players. In your Missions Folder you would have all your favorite Missions. Attack Bombers, Defend bombers, Attack Sub... The possibilities are endless.... Load the Mission and Choose !

I know there are Talented People Here that would Make the missions for us !

Is it feasible ?

[hames123]

Just go to the campaign, pick a Stuka, choose a ground support mission and the 37mms and you are good to go. Chances are that it will be friendly infantry under attack by tanks, usually with at least 1 or 2 T-34s, sometimes with many.

[Yogiflight]

 

 

Just go to the campaign, pick a Stuka, choose a ground support mission and the 37mms and you are good to go. Chances are that it will be friendly infantry under attack by tanks, usually with at least 1 or 2 T-34s, sometimes with many.

You know, that there are four russian fighters waiting for you? I tried this a few times, I was never able to attack the tanks, as I always had russian fighters on my six, that were not really cooperative. And the escort fighters are more or less just flying with you, without really doing anything for you(most times they all group together behind one russian fighter, so the other three can do their job).

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

Try the mission Netscape made Yogiflight... simply amazing for practice. Straight ahead for 5 Seconds and you are onto the tanks.... huge fun, great practice and ideal for tests. ..... oh and no pesky defending fighters to ruin your fun! 

[hames123]

You know, that there are four russian fighters waiting for you? I tried this a few times, I was never able to attack the tanks, as I always had russian fighters on my six, that were not really cooperative. And the escort fighters are more or less just flying with you, without really doing anything for you(most times they all group together behind one russian fighter, so the other three can do their job).

Ignore the fighters, they will dogfight with your own fighters, go right down to the deck and attack the tanks. Don't give any orders to your wingmen, they will automatically peel off and choose a target, make a huge circuit, and then dive down on it and kill it, meaning that you will basically definately pass the mission if you stay alive long enough, since your squadron mates will get enough enemy tanks on their own. By the time the Soviets are done dogfighting your fighters(assuming they won said dogfight), your flight should have killed lots of enemy tanks and be heading for home on the deck. They will chase you, but as long as you stay very low you can usually get home safe. My advice is to try it again, and literally ignore the fighters. Go right into your attacks and let your own fighters and your gunner deal with the fighters. If there are still too many fighters I suggest that you change time period and area(for example, go to summer Stalingrad if there are too many fighters in the winter version). Anyway Yogi, how did it go? How many tanks did you get, and how many times were you downed?

[hames123]

Try the mission Netscape made Yogiflight... simply amazing for practice. Straight ahead for 5 Seconds and you are onto the tanks.... huge fun, great practice and ideal for tests. ..... oh and no pesky defending fighters to ruin your fun!

The thing is, it is not really practice as there is not threat to yourself. Netscape, can you make a mission with maybe 30 T-34s and a few AA guns attacking a German gun line of 50mm and 75mm guns? Add in a few 88mm flak guns since theu can kill tanks in this game. That way, there is a threat of AA, and it doubles as a more or less realisitc mission, maybe set in September 1942, a few kilometres outside the city? For a more advanced version, 40 Panzer IIIs vs 40 T-34s, to help with tank recognition. Finally, the hardest of all. 50 friendly Mark IIIs attacking a Soviet line with 12 dug in KV-1s. Since the KV-1 is the hardest to kill, this mission should be the most difficult. Sorry if it seems like I am commisioning senarios, but I think that these would be useful, and have tried to make them myself but failed rather badly. I cannot make the AI units do anything properly.

[NETSCAPE]

The thing is, it is not really practice as there is not threat to yourself. Netscape, can you make a mission with maybe 30 T-34s and a few AA guns attacking a German gun line of 50mm and 75mm guns? Add in a few 88mm flak guns since theu can kill tanks in this game. That way, there is a threat of AA, and it doubles as a more or less realisitc mission, maybe set in September 1942, a few kilometres outside the city? For a more advanced version, 40 Panzer IIIs vs 40 T-34s, to help with tank recognition. Finally, the hardest of all. 50 friendly Mark IIIs attacking a Soviet line with 12 dug in KV-1s. Since the KV-1 is the hardest to kill, this mission should be the most difficult. Sorry if it seems like I am commisioning senarios, but I think that these would be useful, and have tried to make them myself but failed rather badly. I cannot make the AI units do anything properly.

 

I made that mission for target practice against all soviet tanks types, that's all.

 

I am sitting here trying to recall the most tanks I have in a mission active at once... and I think the total is probably around 40, maybe 50 tops. What you request is like double that. I think it would hurt performance pretty bad... but I have never tested the limits of tanks on my system. I have tested large amounts of aircraft though. 

 

I had 88's engage armor for the first time in one of my 110 missions I made recently. They DEVOUR T-34s. 

 

I may or may not make a scenario like you have requested. I spent all summer on a Stuka campaign...now I'm deep into a 110 campaign and trying not to lose momentum. A man only has so much life force every day.

[hames123]

Cool. It is great that people like yoy make missions, I have tried but failed quite a few times. Seems like I am not that computer savy. For the amount of tanks posted above, you would need a completely empty map, since the career and most multiplayer servers have that amount of objects. That should be alright though, in what is basically a training mission that we have given a semi-historical background. Good luck on the 110 campaign, and have a good day.

[Yogiflight]

 

 

Ignore the fighters

I can ignore them, until I hit the ground, because of all the holes they put into my 'Kanonenvogel'.

And as stated above, the own escort fighters are pretty useless, as the default behaviour is to concentrate on one enemy fighter and let the others do whatever they want.

[Jade_Monkey]

I made a very simple mission to practice with the Hs129 with unlimited ammo.

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/25593-jade-monkeys-single-player-sp-missions/page-2?do=findComment&comment=510956

[Rjel]

Excellent. Can't wait to try it out.

[56RAF_Roblex]

Thanks Netscape.  I had no experience of mission building but with yours as a framework I modified it to have a IL-2 attacking all the different German tanks and vehicles plus I added in a three or four AA guns to spice it up.  Now I know the best way to attack the different tanks while under fire and what weapons work best.  I also know that certain tanks are pretty much indestructible unless you can get a big bomb to hit it exactly :-)

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

Fantastic stuff.... thanks again Netscape!!

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

OK so I made copies of NETSCAPES original mission with the following planes:

 

JU87

JU88

HS129B

PE2 both variants

IL2 Both variants

 

I left the tanks as russian but you can easily change them to german in the mission editor.

Tank Attack Practice.zip

Edited September 19, 2017 by =TBAS=DendroAspis