A/A Combat Stats by Plane (1 Week, 15K Sorties, Multiplayer)

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

For those interested in statistics here are some showing AK/D Ratios by plane on a popular MP server over 15,000 sorties.

 

Lost = any type of plane loss (player/crash/AAA kill)

Shtdown = Shotdown by a plane

Disconnects not counted

KLRatio = Kill/Lost

KSRatio = Kill/Shotdown

KSortRatio = Kill/Sortie

 

If sortie numbers are low (i.e <100), take the ratio with a grain of salt, as it wont be enough data to show a reasonable average.

Understand that these are from a single server over the period of 1 week (last week).

Plane			Kills	Lost	Shtdown	Sortie	KLRatio	KSRatio	KSortRatio
Yak-1B (series 127)	642	449	369	902	1.43	1.74	0.71
Spitfire Mk.VB		212	208	163	359	1.02	1.3	0.59
Fw 190 A-3		439	439	357	727	1	1.23	0.6
LaGG-3 (series 29)	354	375	288	623	0.94	1.23	0.57
Bf 109 F-4		1138	1272	1016	2041	0.89	1.12	0.56
La-5 (series 8)		525	589	469	970	0.89	1.12	0.54
Fw 190 A-5		127	143	118	216	0.89	1.08	0.59
Bf 109 F-2		161	190	153	304	0.85	1.05	0.53
Bf 109 G-4		163	186	158	286	0.88	1.03	0.57
Yak-1 (series 69)	733	936	740	1533	0.78	0.99	0.48
P-40 E-1		252	364	271	561	0.69	0.93	0.45
Pe-2 (series 35)	17	26	19	105	0.65	0.89	0.16
IL-2 model 1941		66	109	78	219	0.61	0.85	0.3
MiG-3 (series 24)	281	390	335	636	0.72	0.84	0.44
Bf 109 G-2		555	873	694	1337	0.64	0.8	0.42
I-16 Type 24		62	110	82	182	0.56	0.76	0.34
Bf 109 E-7		98	191	146	280	0.51	0.67	0.35
Bf 110 G-2		45	101	82	147	0.45	0.55	0.31
Pe-2 (series 87)	199	440	375	918	0.45	0.53	0.22
He 111 H-16		7	18	15	31	0.39	0.47	0.23
IL-2 AM-38F		13	43	30	67	0.3	0.43	0.19
Ju 88 A-4		77	249	220	354	0.31	0.35	0.22
MC.202 Series VIII	18	70	60	101	0.26	0.3	0.18
Ju 87 D-3		77	417	308	566	0.18	0.25	0.14
He 111 H-6		35	216	175	338	0.16	0.2	0.1
IL-2 AM-38		36	278	200	410	0.13	0.18	0.09
Bf 110 E-2		52	411	347	610	0.13	0.15	0.09
Hs 129 B-2		16	211	160	267	0.08	0.1	0.06
Ju 52 3mg4e		1	1	0	6	1	NAN	0.17

[Willy__]

Funny how the Pe2 have more kills than some fighters.... 

[[TWB]80hd]

If sortie numbers are low (i.e <100), take the ratio with a grain of salt,

 

 

JU-52 K/D 1.0?!! NERF ITTTTTTTTTTT

Funny how the Pe2 have more kills than some fighters.... 

 

Not at all, considering that 9 out of 10 will just park on their 6 and spray.... not to mention the number that get tapped then crash on landing.

 

Remove the goober from the 109 F-4 numbers and I bet it's higher than most... just everyone flocks to it, even if they are like me and should be carrying a rifle or a wrench
 

[=ARTOA=Bombenleger]

damn didnt excpect the ju52 to have the best k/d of all planes.

EDIT: damn ninja'd

Edited September 11, 2017 by =ARTOA=Bombenleger

[Willy__]

People still park on the german bombers 6 and the results are very different.... anyways, nice statistics! 

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

If sortie numbers are low (i.e <100), take the ratio with a grain of salt,

 

 

JU-52 K/D 1.0?!! NERF ITTTTTTTTTTT

 

 

 

Now we just need to find who got shot down by the Ju-52...    

[Chopper]

People still park on the german bombers 6 and the results are very different.... anyways, nice statistics! 

Actually the results are quite similar. The JU88 have the excact same kill/sortie ratio as the PE2 serie87.

[Willy__]

 

 

Actually the results are quite similar. The JU88 have the excact same kill/sortie ratio as the PE2 serie87.

 

As the number of sorties for the 88 is <100, I took it with a grain of salt.    

 

But still, it may have the same kill/sortie, but the other ratio are considerable lower.

[Finkeren]

Wow... the MC.202 is doing horribly.

[VesseL]

Very interesting. Yak 1b and spit and lagg too are ahead of 109f4. Surprising results.. Thanks!

[Willy__]

One thing that these stats show clearly is how much more damage resistant the russian planes are compared to the germans. I value much more the ability to land back at base than higher kill stats.

[Nibbio]

Wow... the MC.202 is doing horribly.

Hardly surprising, unfortunately...

Edited September 11, 2017 by Nibbio

[BraveSirRobin]

You probably get a much better comparison between aircraft if you compare the top 50 pilots in each type.

[Finkeren]

Very interesting. Yak 1b and spit and lagg too are ahead of 109f4. Surprising results.. Thanks!

Not too surprising given that many, many newcomers fly the F4/G2 because they hear, that it's the "best plane".

[VesseL]

Not too surprising given that many, many newcomers fly the F4/G2 because they hear, that it's the "best plane".

 Well, funny how now the noobs fly Ger planes and irl the noobs were flying Rus planes, lol. But im not sure the 109 is (in game) the best plane really.

[thermoregulator]

My favourtie planes ale Bf 110 and Macchi. Well... I always loved outsiders! :-)

 

Their stats are odd, though. Both Bf-110 and Mc-202 were very succesful designs in RL.

 

 

It is definitely a fact that most beginers fly 109´s and that fact of course have to affect those statistics, as well as fact that "stat hunters" choose some planes more than others.

 

Other thing is efficiency of russian guns, especialy berezins. 1x berezin a 1x SKAS on Pe-2 sometimes seem to be more than 2x mg-ff a 4x mg17 on Bf-110, and russian planes are generally more durable.

 

Also maybe some planes, which aren´t flown as much as others, didn´t recieve that much attention and love from both the devs and community, I don´t know.

[Finkeren]

Well, funny how now the noobs fly Ger planes and irl the noobs were flying Rus planes, lol. But im not sure the 109 is (in game) the best plane really.

It's not a clear cut case anymore.

 

Personally after 2.012 I'd rank it as:

 

Fw 190 (both)

 

Bf 109F4/G2/G4

 

Yak-1b

 

La-5F

 

Yak-1 s.69

 

Spitfire

 

Bf 109F2

 

MiG-3

 

Bf 109E7

 

I-16

 

P-40E

 

MC.202

 

LaGG-3

 

In terms of pure MP dogfight effectiveness.

[Thad]

Salutations Pilots,

 

I'm curious. By what historical measure or factual data do the the developers use to determine a crafts 'durability' or ability to receive and endure damage?

Have they ever shared their determination processes or reasoning? Are they arbitrarily set without supporting historical evidence or data?

 

Some time back, I remember discussions on these forum about the Bf110 and it's lack of durability. In a subsequent patch the Bf110s reportedly had its durability increased 'slightly'.

[Willy__]

 

 

I'm curious. By what historical measure or factual data do the the developers use to determine a crafts 'durability' or ability to receive and endure damage? Have they ever shared their determination processes or reasoning? Are they arbitrarily set without supporting historical evidence or data?

 

 

They said in one post about the wing damage/wing resistance. The 109 has only one longeron to support the wings, while most russian planes have 2, meanwhile the 190 and iirc also the la5 has 3; and you can clearly see ingame that the 190 wings are a lot more resistant to damage compared to the 109s. 

 

But thats it, they only commented on the "wing" portion of the DM. 

 

Meanwhile, the 109s continue with their glass tail section. I heard that farts are not allowed on those aircraft with the risk of damaging the airframe structure....     

[xvii-Dietrich]

 

JU-52 K/D 1.0?!! NERF ITTTTTTTTTTT

 

Probably a Finnish Ju 52.

 

Just look what the Ilmavoimat achieved with G.50s during the winter/continuation wars.

[StG77_Kondor]

It's not a clear cut case anymore.

 

Personally after 2.012 I'd rank it as:

 

Fw 190 (both)

 

Bf 109F4/G2/G4

 

Yak-1b

 

La-5F

 

Yak-1 s.69

 

Spitfire

 

Bf 109F2

 

MiG-3

 

Bf 109E7

 

I-16

 

P-40E

 

MC.202

 

LaGG-3

 

In terms of pure MP dogfight effectiveness.

Agree with most except for the LaGG. That deserves to be at least several spots higher. 

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

Actually the results are quite similar. The JU88 have the excact same kill/sortie ratio as the PE2 serie87.

 

 

Example you posted is a good one, equal Kill/Sortie ratio paints an interesting picture. Also worth considering though is when used in conjunction with the Kill/Shotdown ratio, the Ju88 when scoring a defensive kill - doesn't get to come home as frequently from its encounters with an enemy plane.

[[TWB]80hd]

People still park on the german bombers 6 and the results are very different.... anyways, nice statistics! 

 

I fly TAW, WoL, and Berloga, in that order of preference.  In the last several weeks, I have seen exactly two twin engine German bombers, one of which I watched torch the I-16 that climbed up to his six.

 

Pe-2s I see nonstop.  I think they are more likely to be aggressive due to their handling and forward armament, giving their gunners more time to hammer away at someone hanging with them in a turn.

 

Sitting on a He-111 or Ju-88s six is a bad idea, but not as bad as a Pe-2, due to the caliber of gun and the placement.

 

Lastly, I think some of the k/d disparity can be attributed to taking 12.7mm to an inline engine vs. taking 7.92 to a radial engine.  No doubt CCCP aircraft are more resilient.

 

I am not trying to stick up for the Pe-2, but compared to a year ago (

) it's a night and day difference.  I got set on fire by the first tap hauling ass out of Gromo the other night on TAW.  That never used to happen.

[Jade_Monkey]

Well, funny how now the noobs fly Ger planes and irl the noobs were flying Rus planes, lol. But im not sure the 109 is (in game) the best plane really.

WAS

 

Right now it's just the retarded cousin of the pre-2.012 patch.

[Finkeren]

With 2.012 the Bf 109 kinda has become the Morty Smith to the Fw 190's Rick Sanchez.

[Willy__]

 

 

WAS Right now it's just the retarded cousin of the pre-2.012 patch.

 

          

[[TWB]80hd]

With 2.012 the Bf 109 kinda has become the Morty Smith to the Fw 190's Rick Sanchez.

 

Let's get in there, Morty!!1

 

 

Awwwww gee rick, I dunno....

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

One thing that these stats show clearly is how much more damage resistant the russian planes are compared to the germans. I value much more the ability to land back at base than higher kill stats.

 

No.   Regardless of whether the developers got the damage models right or wrong, I fail to see how these stats show anything of the sort.

[CUJO_1970]

Pe-2 is like what I would imagine it would be like trying to shoot down a B-17 Flying Fortress, if the B-17 was much faster and had a fighter FM.

[Willy__]

 

 

No.   Regardless of whether the developers got the damage models right or wrong, I fail to see how these stats show anything of the sort.

 

Never said anything about the damage models being right or wrong. You are paranoied about that bro. Anyways, do you know what Kill/Lost and Kill/Shotdown ratios mean right ?

[ShamrockOneFive]

I love this sort of thing. Tripwire, thanks for compiling these stats. They are really interesting even if we should take it with a grain of salt. I think the quantitative study here is really interesting but we're also having the qualitative interpretation of the stats. There are non-simulation and non-WWII related elements that are going to influence these stats.

 

For example, the Yak-1B Series 127 is a standalone Collector Plane and its really quite good. But I'm guessing that the folks who bought it are more likely to really want to fly a slightly higher end Yak-1. That puts it above and beyond the regular Yak-1 Series 69 which performs worse but not too much worse and is going to be flown a little more often by someone not quite as dedicated to the aircraft (on average, typically, 9 times out of 10, etc.).

 

What I'd like to see is a repeat of these in about 6 months time when we have the La-5FN and Bf109G-6 to add into the standalone Collector Plane mix. I have an assumption that although the G-6 will probably not be quite as high performing as the other later model Bf109s that we have, it will be at the top of the chart as it will be bought by pilots who are really interested in the type. The F-4/G-2 will appeal to the rest. I'd be curious to put that hypothesis to the test.

[BraveSirRobin]

Anyways, do you know what Kill/Lost and Kill/Shotdown ratios mean right ?

 

It means absolutely nothing related to aircraft durability.  

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

Nice work Trip! Interesting stats.

 

Not only is my online fighter buddy an insane pilot but he's also quite handy with a pc.

 

Maybe need a bigger/wider capture over a longer period or is that too intensive?

Edited September 12, 2017 by =TBAS=DendroAspis

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

 

 

I love this sort of thing. Tripwire, thanks for compiling these stats.

 

Your welcome. 

[Guest deleted@30725]

Your welcome. 

 

+1 - Really fun to see the real stats, not just what people guess.

[56RAF_Roblex]

It is kind of skewed by how the stats are recorded. For example yesterday I flew an IL-2 mission, it was very successful and I only took minor skin damage from the AA. The problem was that when I landed, a nice soft landing, I decided to taxi to the bunkers and misjudged at the end and bumped a fuel barrel at barely 5mph with no noticeable effect.  The game announced I had been shot down by AA. A  few days earlier I took moderate engine damage but was able to fly home and land but the engine died no more than 2 seconds from my wheels touching the runway, so my throttle was at zero anyway, and I landed softly and safely. The game decided I had been shot down.     Imagine now that two fighters attack a PE-2 or IL-2 and both take minor damage before killing the PE-2/IL-2.   It only takes one of those fighters to have a minor incident landing for the K/D to equal 1. If both take minor damage before despawning then the PE2 has a 2:1 ratio!

 

As for the Yak-1b being top,   I thought the same as one of the earlier posters when I saw that ie that the people buying a Yak-1b are more likely to be competent pilots or at least very unlikely to be newbs who crash & get shot down a lot while learning the ropes.  The spitfire at second?  Possibly the people buying BoK are less likely to be newbs as well.  Is someone brand new to BoX going to buy a pre-release that is still missing aircraft instead of BoM or BoS?  Funnily enough I fit that description but I have been flying for decades and know the Spit pretty well from other sims. Yes the FMs differ between sims but I know the instruments and landing speeds etc already which might mean less chance of dying.

[Willy__]

It is kind of skewed by how the stats are recorded. For example yesterday I flew an IL-2 mission, it was very successful and I only took minor skin damage from the AA. The problem was that when I landed, a nice soft landing, I decided to taxi to the bunkers and misjudged at the end and bumped a fuel barrel at barely 5mph with no noticeable effect.  The game announced I had been shot down by AA. A  few days earlier I took moderate engine damage but was able to fly home and land but the engine died no more than 2 seconds from my wheels touching the runway, so my throttle was at zero anyway, and I landed softly and safely. The game decided I had been shot down.  

 

 

The ingame results are different not quite the same as the statistics from the site. Take your second example, in game it was announced that you had been shot down by AAA, but in the site it will count as landed and not shot down. 

Edited September 12, 2017 by 3./JG15_Staiger

[hames123]

Which server is this from? And also, can we see a ground kills list? Also, Lagg-3 has one of the best KDs in game? And the Italians get 18 kills and lose 70 aircraft. Mussolini must be mad. If this was collected in a week, I cannot think of how fast the Germans and Soviets must be churning out planes and crews. Make lots of planes and babies chaps, as many as you can lol.

Edited September 14, 2017 by hames123

[FTC_Riksen]

 Well, funny how now the noobs fly Ger planes and irl the noobs were flying Rus planes, lol. But im not sure the 109 is (in game) the best plane really.

 

It is. Perhaps second only to the 190 ...

[KaC_Richard_Rogers]

The by plane statistics is one things stat wise I miss from Rise Of Flight stats; and the nice list of virtual lifes/kills etc you had.

 

In the RoF stats it showed the plane and the pilots who flew it. Was a great way to see how you faired against your peers. It also then showed against each plane which was always a great read.

 

Shame this was not carried over.