He116-H6/H16 max bomb load problem

[moonraker]

I've been having a problem with both HE 116 H6/H16 from day one in quick mission[single player]. When bomb load maxed out with the big stuff, runway take off plane doesn't want to get airborne, and if you finally do, it eventally stalls out and crashes. Using airborne instead of runway take out, after making a low level bomb run, plane keeps losing altitude and crashes. Needs fixing. Campain mode not a problem. Needs affix. "Moon"

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

30% fuel?

[Finkeren]

You can't take maximum bomb load and fuel load. That will overload the plane.

[Field-Ops]

You can't take maximum bomb load and fuel load. That will overload the plane.

Pretty much this^. You exceed maximum takeoff weight when you do that

[HansHansen]

Taking off with full fuel and bombs is definitely possible, but challenging with a short runway. Acceleration and climb rate are pretty bad (1-2m/s) so having no obstacles after the runway is helpful.

However, with the current size of the maps and typical mission time of max. 2h full fuel doesn't really make sense.

It is a nice and fun exercise anyway

[LLv24_SukkaVR]

I wish you could see your weight and planes maximum takeoff weight when selecting fuel quantity and bombs. Like in DCS.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

That's the Biggest Problem for People who only look at Percentages. If you had taken the time to look at the Fuel Load and seen around 3200kg !!! of Fuel onboard of an Aircraft with a Fuel Consumption of around 500kg per hour you could have saved yourself a thread and us some time. 

 

The With a Combat Weight of ca. 9 tons + 3.2 tons of Bombs + 3+ tons of Bombs, that's over 15 tons and a massive Drag increase below the Belly with 2600 HP for Take-Off. 

How could you think this would work off a Short Grass Field? 

 

The only Bug in need of Fixing here is you. 

[moonraker]

Thanks for the kind words Klaus-Mann.....NOT! To other peeps with replys, Fuel load cured my problem. Guess I'm not as sharp as some . You would think After seventy five years I'b be a little sharper, Huh? "Moon"

[LLv24_Zami]

I wish you could see your weight and planes maximum takeoff weight when selecting fuel quantity and bombs. Like in DCS.

+1. That would be helpful. 

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

 

 

Needs fixing

This is the Problem. A "What am I doing wrong?" would have been better. And as  someone who has a Vote in a Democratic Societey, as well as someone who's time is now only limited by Biology, use it to inform yourself beforehand.  

I wish you could see your weight and planes maximum takeoff weight when selecting fuel quantity and bombs. Like in DCS.

Yes. 

[Boaty-McBoatface]

How could you think this would work off a Short Grass Field?

 

The only Bug in need of Fixing here is you.

Well said Klaus. Heinkel carries a several boatloads of fuel, and yet this guy is up in arms jumping straight to the conclusion it's a 'bug that needs to be fixed' and isn't his fault. Unbelievable. Edited September 9, 2017 by temujin

[ShamrockOneFive]

Spinning this more positively... What's great here is that something that appears to be a bug truly is a feature. Not obtuse either. The max bombload is an overload to begin with and they couldn't get off the ground with a full fuel load in real life. Annnd nor can we in the simulation. The simulation element here is working exactly as it should!

[moonraker]

It was my fault for not spotting the problem, but I didn't need a couple of peeps getting a case of the ass, about it being a bug, [which at the time I assumed it to be]."Moon"

[Boaty-McBoatface]

It was my fault for not spotting the problem, but I didn't need a couple of peeps getting a case of the ass, about it being a bug, [which at the time I assumed it to be]."Moon"

No worries bud, enjoy your lightened Heinkel. She's a big bird for sure!

Edited September 9, 2017 by temujin

[Finkeren]

Ok, Let's all leave it at that. Moonraker asked a question but framed it in an unfortunate way by jumping to conclusion that it must be a bug. We all jump to conclusions from time to time, no need to pile on the guy.

[TXSailor_1]

That's the Biggest Problem for People who only look at Percentages. If you had taken the time to look at the Fuel Load and seen around 3200kg !!! of Fuel onboard of an Aircraft with a Fuel Consumption of around 500kg per hour you could have saved yourself a thread and us some time. 

 

The With a Combat Weight of ca. 9 tons + 3.2 tons of Bombs + 3+ tons of Bombs, that's over 15 tons and a massive Drag increase below the Belly with 2600 HP for Take-Off. 

How could you think this would work off a Short Grass Field? 

 

The only Bug in need of Fixing here is you. 

 

 

Well said Klaus. Heinkel carries a several boatloads of fuel, and yet this guy is up in arms jumping straight to the conclusion it's a 'bug that needs to be fixed' and isn't his fault. Unbelievable.

 

 

To BOTH of you, way to come off as a jerk. 

 

Legitimately, it's easy to understand why any gamer would expect that if something was OVER max gross, the game wouldn't let you select it to begin with. And the fact that there are a half dozen posts before yours kindly explaining that max TO has been exceeded (without any means to easily identify that ingame) shows that this can be handled without you feeling the need to stroke your ego over your mental prowess. 

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

To BOTH of you, way to come off as a jerk. 

 

Legitimately, it's easy to understand why any gamer would expect that if something was OVER max gross, the game wouldn't let you select it to begin with. And the fact that there are a half dozen posts before yours kindly explaining that max TO has been exceeded (without any means to easily identify that ingame) shows that this can be handled without you feeling the need to stroke your ego over your mental prowess. 

My main Point of Contention was the Suggestion of it

 

Need[ing] fixing

I get quite fed up with People asking for fixes where they make mistakes. 

Most People ask Question that wouldn't have arisen had they just taken 30 Seconds to Read up on the Machine they are flying. The Game gives you all the Operating Instructions for all Aircraft and I do grow weary of People rather wasting everyones time instead of just looking these things up. 

Edited September 10, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus-Mann

[TXSailor_1]

My main Point of Contention was the Suggestion of it

 

I get quite fed up with People asking for fixes where they make mistakes. 

Most People ask Question that wouldn't have arisen had they just taken 30 Seconds to Read up on the Machine they are flying. The Game gives you all the Operating Instructions for all Aircraft and I do grow weary of People rather wasting everyones time instead of just looking these things up. 

 

I get that obviously it's not a bug. But it's worth keeping in mind that many folks who find this game are coming from things like War Thunder, where engine management, weight and balance, etc. are foreign concepts. Not to mention, it's not entirely outlandish to be surprised that exceeding max TO is allowed in the aircraft. IIRC, other games like DCS publish your weight vs Max TO in the selection, and prevent you from exceeding it, either by limiting the weapons that can be added, or pushing the fuel slider back when weapons push the gross weight over max TO.

[Guest deleted@30725]

It was my fault for not spotting the problem, but I didn't need a couple of peeps getting a case of the ass, about it being a bug, [which at the time I assumed it to be]."Moon"

 

I hope this thread doesn't stop you asking questions! I know some of us can seem a bit short, but keep asking questions even if we think they seem silly it's hard to know everything or know how well the game models things till you spend a good while with it.

[Finkeren]

Yeah, this took an unfortunate turn. But please don't ever feel like you can't ask questions or bring up something you see as an issue.

[hames123]

Calm down guys. Out of curiousity, has anyone ever had a He 111 take off with a full fuel and bomb load, from right at the back of the map(maybe the Germans have been pushed off, or have just advanced onto it?), and have it flown all the way to the rear end of the Soviet side of the map, to bomb a factory or something, and come back to the field it took off from? It could be interesting to watch and see if the He 111 can do it. In theory it probably can. But I wonder if it can in game. Can someone make a mission with this please? My mission making skills are terrible. For extra bonus points, have 10 of them going to different targets, taking off at 10 PM. Then at 6 AM Soviet fighters are scrambled to intercept them. It would be interesting to see how many manage to bomb their target and come home safely, and how many get downed by flak and fighters. I know that at least one He 111 squadron did this in 1941, bombing factories near Moscow to try and destroy the equipment and kill the workers there, before they got evacuated to the Urals.

Edited September 14, 2017 by hames123

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Calm down guys. Out of curiousity, has anyone ever had a He 111 take off with a full fuel and bomb load, from right at the back of the map(maybe the Germans have been pushed off, or have just advanced onto it?), and have it flown all the way to the rear end of the Soviet side of the map, to bomb a factory or something, and come back to the field it took off from? It could be interesting to watch and see if the He 111 can do it. In theory it probably can. But I wonder if it can in game. Can someone make a mission with this please? My mission making skills are terrible. For extra bonus points, have 10 of them going to different targets, taking off at 10 PM. Then at 6 AM Soviet fighters are scrambled to intercept them. It would be interesting to see how many manage to bomb their target and come home safely, and how many get downed by flak and fighters. I know that at least one He 111 squadron did this in 1941, bombing factories near Moscow to try and destroy the equipment and kill the workers there, before they got evacuated to the Urals.

OK; With a Cruise Speed of an Average of slightly above 300kph, a Pessimistic Fuel Consumption around 550 Liters per Hour comined and 4300 Liters of Fuel you have an Endurance of a bit less than 8 hours. 

Let's just say 7 hours for simplicity. That gives me a somewhat pessimistic Range of 2100km, optimistically you could probably do 2500km if you went very economical. 

Stalingrad Map has 360km East to West Distance. That's 720 if you want to Land at Home. So you could Cross the entire Stalingrad Map 3 Times, Home and Back on Full Fuel. 

Edited September 14, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[hames123]

OK; With a Cruise Speed of an Average of slightly above 300kph, a Pessimistic Fuel Consumption around 550 Liters per Hour comined and 4300 Liters of Fuel you have an Endurance of a bit less than 8 hours.

Let's just say 7 hours for simplicity. That gives me a somewhat pessimistic Range of 2100km, optimistically you could probably do 2500km if you went very economical.

Stalingrad Map has 360km East to West Distance. That's 720 if you want to Land at Home. So you could Cross the entire Stalingrad Map 3 Times, Home and Back on Full Fuel.

Cool. I guess we will never use the maximum fuel load of the He 111.